chillian miners

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  • Cree Nations
    Cree Nations Posts: 2,247
    in honour of all the good things coming down the Chilean pipe...me thinks I am going to have something spicy for lunch
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Cree Nations wrote:
    in honour of all the good things coming down the Chilean pipe...me thinks I am going to have something spicy for lunch
    :lol:
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  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    redrock wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Since watching about these minors, my husband and I haven't been able to figure out:
    1.What kind of mine it is and
    2. How they got trapped.

    The news hasn't really mentioned this (probably because they were trapped for so long), but it's missing from the story, we feel. Anyone know?

    It was explained back in August when it happened. It's a copper mine (lots of them in Chili) and the roof of a ramp collapsed some 100 meters or so above the place where the miners were working.

    Thanks!
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ok let me be a bit more clear and specific so there's no misunderstanding. Strategy and procedures are adjusted or gained, but the continued dangers of the industry and workers is unchanged. I know everyone loves a good, happy ending type of story which is great, but let's not fail to see this for what it is - a dangerous job to mine goods and resources - the dark, backside of our consumerism and global economics. Many of you seem to bash people in society which flock to goods and services which leads to greed, self-interest and other uncanny traits. This industry and job are merely an extension and piece of the puzzle. Where do all the resources that build our electronics and war machines come from? Seems like many of you want to pretend it's easy and ok to bash the after-effect (wars, media, lack luster social effects in society) yet dismiss or give a pass to process and where we get them all from. It's all part of the process and part of the greater "machine" we call globalization and economy. So many yell and scream about the gulf oil spill simply because the result was different - but this is the same underlying message and because it doesnt really effect you on the surface and has a happy ending - it's a teaching lesson and all ends well. No they are not exactly the same events or practice, but the message is exactly the same. Let's not pretend otherwise.
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Any work is a calculated risk. I work in heavy industry, around machines that can crush me in an instant. or I can crush others with. We have high safety standards. but the risk is real so we mitigate the risk. we educate the workforce and completly reduce the danger.
    mines are the same. offices are the same . their are risks in all workplaces.
    you insult all workers by your comments saying nothings learnt
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ok let me be a bit more clear and specific so there's no misunderstanding. Strategy and procedures are adjusted or gained, but the continued dangers of the industry and workers is unchanged. I know everyone loves a good, happy ending type of story which is great, but let's not fail to see this for what it is - a dangerous job to mine goods and resources - the dark, backside of our consumerism and global economics. Many of you seem to bash people in society which flock to goods and services which leads to greed, self-interest and other uncanny traits. This industry and job are merely an extension and piece of the puzzle. Where do all the resources that build our electronics and war machines come from? Seems like many of you want to pretend it's easy and ok to bash the after-effect (wars, media, lack luster social effects in society) yet dismiss or give a pass to process and where we get them all from. It's all part of the process and part of the greater "machine" we call globalization and economy. So many yell and scream about the gulf oil spill simply because the result was different - but this is the same underlying message and because it doesnt really effect you on the surface and has a happy ending - it's a teaching lesson and all ends well. No they are not exactly the same events or practice, but the message is exactly the same. Let's not pretend otherwise.
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Any work is a calculated risk. I work in heavy industry, around machines that can crush me in an instant. or I can crush others with. We have high safety standards. but the risk is real so we mitigate the risk. we educate the workforce and completly reduce the danger.
    mines are the same. offices are the same . their are risks in all workplaces.
    you insult all workers by your comments saying nothings learnt
    I'm not sure what point you are driving. That the only reason they mine is because of money and the economy? I think a high percentage of people go to work only because of money and the economy.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Part of my point is simply people laud the situation yet ignore the bigger picture aspect of it. For example, with the recent Gulf spill, people are/were outraged by it, yet went on with business as usual shortly thereafter... no real action or discussion about oil consumption, or their direct hand in the situation. This mining incident is along the same lines - it's a reflection of people's magnifying a specific, single item while ignoring the broader effects, influences and even their own impact in the situation. In sum, it's a microcosm of why people act, think and are the way they are in society.

    Also, on a side note, someone previously mentioned how the President of Chile was on hand for lots of this rescue, but they failed to mention how one of the reasons was simply public relations. The Chilean government (prior and current) was harshly criticized in Chile for not handling the earthquake relief and rescue well, so many have made mention even if his presence was for good intentions, it's naive to believe it wasn't a bit of good old pr as well. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/world/americas/04chile.html)
    Jason P wrote:
    I'm not sure what point you are driving. That the only reason they mine is because of money and the economy? I think a high percentage of people go to work only because of money and the economy.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    HAHA, c'mon... just give up!
    its a happy story and you know it! ;)
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    When exactly did I claim it's not "a happy story"? Don't mistake my commentary on mining and this topic for pessimism... not the same thing but many seem to make that leap on their own. As I've said, I'm glad the miners are ok, but my opinion its a rather minor (pun intended) aspect of this industry and microcosm of what people quietly accept compared to focusing on a very small moment. If we're really gonna view this as a teaching moment and something to learn from, how bout we discuss the actual entire subject matter and where it relates to the nation, society and ourselves... not simply just marvel at the band aiding of a rescue, but ignores the long term ramifications and implications of the topic and subject. Whether it's copper mines, diamonds in South Africa or drilling for oil, it all says lots about us as a society and role in why they are necessary or not.
    haffajappa wrote:
    HAHA, c'mon... just give up!
    its a happy story and you know it! ;)
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    FiveB247x wrote:
    When exactly did I claim it's not "a happy story"? Don't mistake my commentary on mining and this topic for pessimism... not the same thing but many seem to make that leap on their own. As I've said, I'm glad the miners are ok, but my opinion its a rather minor (pun intended) aspect of this industry and microcosm of what people quietly accept compared to focusing on a very small moment. If we're really gonna view this as a teaching moment and something to learn from, how bout we discuss the actual entire subject matter and where it relates to the nation, society and ourselves... not simply just marvel at the band aiding of a rescue, but ignores the long term ramifications and implications of the topic and subject. Whether it's copper mines, diamonds in South Africa or drilling for oil, it all says lots about us as a society and role in why they are necessary or not.
    haffajappa wrote:
    HAHA, c'mon... just give up!
    its a happy story and you know it! ;)
    Jeez, lighten up.
    With all the terrible downer stories that have happened lately, toxic sludge, millions affected by flooding, etc... its nice to see something uplifting. Yeah, mining is dangerous, we all know that, and in some places regulations are non existent, but why try and downplay this whole thing?

    No one is disagreeing with you that it is an industry that is dangerous and that the people know the dangers before going into it... but it doesn't make it any less awesome that these guys were involved in a huge accident and made it out relatively unscathed!! People know the hazards of driving but if you make it out of a head on collision with a truck that's pretty damn awesome!
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Yes it's awesome, but to me, it's more important to focus on how to improve and make things better for the future, so we don't repeat problems, not just focus on present - even if it's a good, happy story. Nothing more than that.
    haffajappa wrote:
    With all the terrible downer stories that have happened lately, toxic sludge, millions affected by flooding, etc... its nice to see something uplifting. Yeah, mining is dangerous, we all know that, and in some places regulations are non existent, but why try and downplay this whole thing?

    No one is disagreeing with you that it is an industry that is dangerous and that the people know the dangers before going into it... but it doesn't make it any less awesome that these guys were involved in a huge accident and made it out relatively unscathed!! People know the hazards of driving but if you make it out of a head on collision with a truck that's pretty damn awesome!
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yes it's awesome, but to me, it's more important to focus on how to improve and make things better for the future, so we don't repeat problems, not just focus on present - even if it's a good, happy story. Nothing more than that.

    so do we learn new techniques for rescue, for freeing trapped miners or do we just stop mining completly,
    its a dangerous game but their are huge amounts of miners underground at any time around the world. working safely
    the mine in question will not operate again *( apparently)
    one of the rescue team in chile was an aussie specialist, he learnt and used techniques used in the beaconsfeild cave in a few years back where 2 guys wee trapped for just over 2 weeks.
    im sure that the next event similar will use techniques learnt over the last few weeks .
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Yes it's awesome, but to me, it's more important to focus on how to improve and make things better for the future, so we don't repeat problems, not just focus on present - even if it's a good, happy story. Nothing more than that.

    Which they will be doing - at least in Chili. So, not only did the miners come out alive and well, but their working conditions will be made safer and they also learned how to deal with these kind of issues better.
  • guypjfreak
    guypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    well wot ever the out come of all this i for one am happy :D
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    This was truly a happy ending in a world where there simply aren't enough of them.

    Hell, I'm surprised the news media even reported it.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Has anyone heard the latest on the miners this morning? They are willing to interview as a group only and they're asking big bucks. They mentioned "millions".
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Lovely, the same reason they were going in is now the same manner they're conducting themselves. Greed is contagious.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone heard the latest on the miners this morning? They are willing to interview as a group only and they're asking big bucks. They mentioned "millions".
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    This was truly a happy ending in a world where there simply aren't enough of them.

    Hell, I'm surprised the news media even reported it.
    Luckily for the media, they could prey off the miners family, friends, and the occasional mistress. The AP had a few reporters stay in the tents 24/7 so that they could capture the drama and rumors.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Lovely, the same reason they were going in is now the same manner they're conducting themselves. Greed is contagious.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone heard the latest on the miners this morning? They are willing to interview as a group only and they're asking big bucks. They mentioned "millions".

    I just think that being thankful you made it out alive wouldn't equate to money...lots of it. I'm a bit disappointed. The reason they went in was to make a living...I don't equate that with greed, at all. Miners take many risks to work their jobs, and may not know how to do anything else.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Jeanwah wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Lovely, the same reason they were going in is now the same manner they're conducting themselves. Greed is contagious.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Has anyone heard the latest on the miners this morning? They are willing to interview as a group only and they're asking big bucks. They mentioned "millions".

    I just think that being thankful you made it out alive wouldn't equate to money...lots of it. I'm a bit disappointed. The reason they went in was to make a living...I don't equate that with greed, at all. Miners take many risks to work their jobs.
    I don't know if it is greed. Their story has intrigued the world and money is going to be made off of it, even if the miners take an oath of silence. Whichever media hub gets the first interview is going to make a ton of money off of ads. Just think of how many eyeballs around the world were watching them get pulled out of the earth on live feeds.

    Why is it wrong for the miners to get their cut of the story . . . it is about their lives and trials.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jason P wrote:

    Why is it wrong for the miners to get their cut of the story . . . it is about their lives and trials.

    Do you really think asking for millions of dollars is "reasonable" though?

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