Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

i_lov_it · June 2010

Electric_Delta wrote:

(By the way, Jeff has been mixed PERFECTLY in the 2010 series...I mean just perfectly)

That's what I wanted to HEAR!!!

benjs · June 2010

demetrios wrote:

Blood Red Mosquito wrote:

In good headphones, not earbuds, these boots sound great. They're not perfect but I am very happy with them.

For those who have been listening for day's/month's/year's the 00's, '03's, '05's, '06's, '08's, '09's and the latest new '10's bootlegs, everybody has a different take & feelings on these recordings. Not all mixes & recordings sound the same. Would be plan & dual if they were all the same. They all need a touch of paprika to spice things up.

Some want more Jeff (like myself) on these recordings, some want less Jeff. Some want louder ED, others don't. Many wanted the audience crowd noise much louder on these bootlegs where you can hear Jane scream out profanity to Ed about sexual favors or something. Insane? I know. But after year's of being spoiled with all these Official Bootleg goodies, everybody is a critic & have a choice & voice on these.

D.. I think you are taking a bit of an extreme look at what myself and some others have voiced in regards to bumping crowd noise. The band has several crowd mics set up at every show for a reason - they want some crowd presence - some of us want more. I find it hard to believe the crowd mics the band has set up even COULD discern Jane asking Ed for sexual favours - or really, anything besides what the overall 'crowd' was doing. The combination of quality crowd mics, quality band mics (or SBD access), and proper mixing, in my opinion, CAN yield a great sounding bootleg where we don't all have to feel like Pearl Jam is playing in an empty stadium. You seem to be of the opinion that a bootleg must exclusively be either good quality, or have crowd noise... I respectfully disagree, and believe that a bootleg can have both in an uncompromising manner. And I hope I can find a bootleg where I can demonstrate this to you.

Foo4Everlong · June 2010

I think we have the right to complain a little. The reason for this is because PJ has put out a product for the past 10 years, staying pretty consistant if not better up until the 2006 tour. The quality was great imo from the get if not getting better as time went on. For example, some people think that Europe 2000 wasn't fantastic, but things definitely got better for the next two legs, and everything that followed that. So really I feel we have the right to complain a little, for those that are hearing a difference. When the great product that u are use to getting, that has been more than up to par, has gradually slipped within the past two or three years. Especially when u are in times when the equiptment has gotten better and better. It's like anything that u buy. Say there is one particular thing that u buy and have bought for years just because that product is good and always seems to get better and better as time goes on, and all of a sudden the product downgrades and there is no other alternative. How would u feel? Would it bother u? I think that's how some of us feel about the QUALITY of these bootlegs. I don't think any of us can say that we don't want these or won't buy them anymore, I just think that we are use to a particular product that we now feel is not the same as it use to be. And why should the product be any different? Same venues, same sound systems, if not better. Better equiptment, same great instruments. I have to say that since 2008 these live recordings have gotten better, but still not like they used to be. We can only hope as time goes on the people mixing get into a zone like Brett Eliason was. Later

Foo4Everlong · June 2010

benjs wrote:

demetrios wrote:

Blood Red Mosquito wrote:

In good headphones, not earbuds, these boots sound great. They're not perfect but I am very happy with them.

For those who have been listening for day's/month's/year's the 00's, '03's, '05's, '06's, '08's, '09's and the latest new '10's bootlegs, everybody has a different take & feelings on these recordings. Not all mixes & recordings sound the same. Would be plan & dual if they were all the same. They all need a touch of paprika to spice things up.

Some want more Jeff (like myself) on these recordings, some want less Jeff. Some want louder ED, others don't. Many wanted the audience crowd noise much louder on these bootlegs where you can hear Jane scream out profanity to Ed about sexual favors or something. Insane? I know. But after year's of being spoiled with all these Official Bootleg goodies, everybody is a critic & have a choice & voice on these.

D.. I think you are taking a bit of an extreme look at what myself and some others have voiced in regards to bumping crowd noise. The band has several crowd mics set up at every show for a reason - they want some crowd presence - some of us want more. I find it hard to believe the crowd mics the band has set up even COULD discern Jane asking Ed for sexual favours - or really, anything besides what the overall 'crowd' was doing. The combination of quality crowd mics, quality band mics (or SBD access), and proper mixing, in my opinion, CAN yield a great sounding bootleg where we don't all have to feel like Pearl Jam is playing in an empty stadium. You seem to be of the opinion that a bootleg must exclusively be either good quality, or have crowd noise... I respectfully disagree, and believe that a bootleg can have both in an uncompromising manner. And I hope I can find a bootleg where I can demonstrate this to you.

Milan 2000. Just listen to Daughter or the encore breaks, or even yet, the entire show.

Nitsua87 · June 2010

On a side note, thank you to Pearl Jam for officially releasing every show you play. Quality be damned, just the thought is bad ass.

Better Dan · June 2010

Nitsua87 wrote:

On a side note, thank you to Pearl Jam for officially releasing every show you play. Quality be damned, just the thought is bad ass.

While it's cool, they are making money off of it. I think people have the right to voice their opinion about what they feel is an inferior product. Honestly, I have held off on buying any of the 2010 bootlegs because of all the posts about the bad quality. Why should I pay for something that doesn't sound that good and is a downgrade from the same product I purchased in the past? If enough people voice their opinions on this, hopefully we can see an improvement.

For the record, I thought the 2 08 boots I purchased (WPB and Tampa) were horrible...bordering on unlistenable. In fact, when I try to put those boots on I can't even get through more than a few songs. The 3 09 boots I purchased (ACL, LA 3 & 4) sounded really, really, good...and are amongst my favorite boots from this band. I thought 00-06 were all good with 03 being my fav. What I seem to be reading is that the 2010 boots are more like 08 than 09..is this accurate?

Black Diamond · June 2010

DS114969 wrote:

What I seem to be reading is that the 2010 boots are more like 08 than 09..is this accurate?

They are really varied IMO... And honestly even within the same show the quality changes... I personally think it has a lot to do with the venue itself...

I agree the best sound in recent years was the LA shows from last year which I think had a lot to do with the venue... Having been to LA4, I can tell you the acoustics were great...

So Far I have gotten Indy, Columbus, Cleveland, Hartford and Boston...
Indy sounds the best, Columbus and Cleveland are pretty decent, Hartford is OK and Boston has some issue with it...

LC · June 2010

I think the one thing everyone can agree on is that the boots from 2000-06 sound different from the boots from 2008-10. Does anyone with any technical knowledge know why?

Better Dan · June 2010

LC wrote:

I think the one thing everyone can agree on is that the boots from 2000-06 sound different from the boots from 2008-10. Does anyone with any technical knowledge know why?

I think Brett Eliason (sp?) and basecamp stopped mixing the boots after 06.

reedrothchild · June 2010

I think they sound ok, but not great. Can we bring back Brett to do the sound and mixing?

pghas · June 2010

It all depends on what you're looking for in a bootleg. I've listened to literally thousands of hours of various soundboard, matrix and audience recordings from different bands most notably the ones that do this alot - PJ, Phish, The Dead.

Generally speaking, people are usually somewhat divided on whether they like audience, matrix, or soundboard recordings. while soundboards generally can have a much clearer separation of different voices in the mix, and sound cleaner, they also tend to be much more sterile and don't accurately convey what it was like to be at a show. Especially with PJ, where they don't improvise a whole lot and aside from a few mistakes or lack thereof the different versions of many songs are very similar, different bootlegs then are really like different playlists of their songs, so you get to hear every nuance clearly but don't get a sense of the concert. Other people love audience recordings (and a great audience recording the way the Dead used to allow people to do was often a treasure) because you get a much better sense of what it was like to be in the room, but often at the expense of being able to hear the music clearly or even at all. And I think that what PJ is striving to do is create matrixes like this on the fly by mixing in good audience sources with the soundboard.

Having only heard the 2 MSG shows streamed from PJ radio, I have to say that while I can't assess the quality of the separation of instruments and the overall crispness of the board as well, I really did feel like I was being taken back in time to those shows - ie I think they've tried to re-create to a degree what it sounded like in the venue and have done an excellent job. You also have to remember that if you are downloading lossy formats you are losing a ton of the important information here.

A great example of a matrix is Rush in Rio - the clarity is nowhere near their other live albums, but they were playing in an apeshit soccer stadium in Rio and the recording really gives you a great sense of what it must have been like to be there - if you have that disc, there are 3 tracks at the end that are straight from the board, not matrices, and the difference is remarkable. And for those who want to take it a step further, check out the Tampa 2000 boot - something went wrong during Last Exit, which was cut out and tacked on to the end of the disc but rather than the matrix used for the rest of the boot, it's straight board. Bifg difference. Personally I think they're doing a great job, but alot of it is presonal preference.

pghas · June 2010

PS My MSG's are wating for me in my mailbox so I'll comment more later! Yahoo!

Grandmas Jam · June 2010

TooMuchBlood wrote:

I am going to request a refund because I can't listen to these new ones.

Are you serious? I mean everyone is entitled to thier own opinion but you doing that is just absurd dude. Come on, I mean you're just being ridiculous. They are live recordings, not studio recordings. If you honestly request a refund for these boots then you should probably have not only your man card revoked, but also your 10C membership revoked. Go listen to some Greatful Dead bootlegs or Allman Brothers bootlegs and get back to me about thier quality dude. I can't believe this post.

Like I said, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. If you don't think these boots are as good as other years, thats fine. But to honestly ask for a refund and epect one is a ludacris thought/statement. I hope when you email Kufala they tell you to 'Shove It'

fox_mulderX · June 2010

TooMuchBlood wrote:

The subject line says it all. These boots are horrible. I actually get a headache after a few seconds. Speaking as someone who make a double-disc record and went through lots of learning curves and instant headaches, I think these 2010 boots aren't mastered correctly. I am going to request a refund because I can't listen to these new ones.

Now it seems apparent why the Spectrum boots took so long to drop. Seriously. Listen to one minute of one of the Spectrum boots and then one minute of Boston or MSG from 2010 and then listen back to a Spectrum song. (Why won't PJ or 10C hire an amazing sound technician?) With time, you'll notice the difference more and more, but it's clear to me the boots from the 2010 shows are suffering — and severely. Why relisten if I get a headache within seconds. (It's all about sound frequencies.)

These 2010 boots are by far the worst I've ever heard. Bring back the guy or gal who recorded the ones in 2003.

maybe you're listening to them too loud. don't listen to them with the volume turned up to 11, try 10 instead.

NashvillePJfan · June 2010

Headaches? No.

Badly bruised ass after having it kicked by rockin' live recordings? Yes.

demetrios · June 2010

benjs wrote:

demetrios wrote:

Blood Red Mosquito wrote:

In good headphones, not earbuds, these boots sound great. They're not perfect but I am very happy with them.

For those who have been listening for day's/month's/year's the 00's, '03's, '05's, '06's, '08's, '09's and the latest new '10's bootlegs, everybody has a different take & feelings on these recordings. Not all mixes & recordings sound the same. Would be plan & dual if they were all the same. They all need a touch of paprika to spice things up.

Some want more Jeff (like myself) on these recordings, some want less Jeff. Some want louder ED, others don't. Many wanted the audience crowd noise much louder on these bootlegs where you can hear Jane scream out profanity to Ed about sexual favors or something. Insane? I know. But after year's of being spoiled with all these Official Bootleg goodies, everybody is a critic & have a choice & voice on these.

D.. I think you are taking a bit of an extreme look at what myself and some others have voiced in regards to bumping crowd noise. The band has several crowd mics set up at every show for a reason - they want some crowd presence - some of us want more. I find it hard to believe the crowd mics the band has set up even COULD discern Jane asking Ed for sexual favours - or really, anything besides what the overall 'crowd' was doing. The combination of quality crowd mics, quality band mics (or SBD access), and proper mixing, in my opinion, CAN yield a great sounding bootleg where we don't all have to feel like Pearl Jam is playing in an empty stadium. You seem to be of the opinion that a bootleg must exclusively be either good quality, or have crowd noise... I respectfully disagree, and believe that a bootleg can have both in an uncompromising manner. And I hope I can find a bootleg where I can demonstrate this to you.

But how much more do you want? I still don't understand what you mean about bumping crowd noise. You petitioned for MSG 1 & MSG 2. You still wanted more crowd noise on those bootlegs after listening to them! How much MORE do you need? How much audience noise level do you want more of when Pearl Jam are playing their instrumentals on stage? Much louder then Jeff's bass? Much louder then Ed on stage? I still don't understand how much audience sound you want. Is it something like Kiss's Alive 3 record. Cause if so, I pray not. Who want's to pay money for professional live recordings to have more audience sound? Let alone have the sound of the crowd come out more from speakers from a car stereo, home entertainment system etc.. You don't want to be that guy on the bus or train or subway with fucked up looks from everybody around you with the music playing loud, and all everybody hears is just audience screaming & yelling sounds coming out of those headphones. Doesn't make any sense. Who pay's for more audience sound? I'll be happy to get a crowd, scream our lungs out & dub the audio on these Pearl Jam bootlegs if you want. How much more audience sound do you want? Want audience sound then go for fan recordings, audience recordings. And yes, there are many soundboard recordings that can pick up tiny timbits of fan's scream out sentences, like my Jane bit. If Jane was close to one of those speakers up front, then yes, the recording will catch it. If I'm gonna spend hard earn cash on professional live/studio recordings, I want to hear my band at work. Just the band. I want to hear crisp guitars, crisp bass, crisp drums, crisp keyboards & crispy vocals. Nothing more, nothing less.

imissyoualready · June 2010

not unlistenable.....but not great.

twisted thoughts · June 2010

Grandmas Jam wrote:

TooMuchBlood wrote:

I am going to request a refund because I can't listen to these new ones.

Are you serious? I mean everyone is entitled to thier own opinion but you doing that is just absurd dude. Come on, I mean you're just being ridiculous. They are live recordings, not studio recordings. If you honestly request a refund for these boots then you should probably have not only your man card revoked, but also your 10C membership revoked. Go listen to some Greatful Dead bootlegs or Allman Brothers bootlegs and get back to me about thier quality dude. I can't believe this post.

Like I said, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. If you don't think these boots are as good as other years, thats fine. But to honestly ask for a refund and epect one is a ludacris thought/statement. I hope when you email Kufala they tell you to 'Shove It'

for realz....u gotta be at least as bad as scott stapp to get a refund dude...and this is not even in the same universe as bad.
can we take a vote? All in favor of this thread being buried say Yah.
YAH!

EddieLedBetter · June 2010

I can't hear Brad at all on the Kansas City may 3rd boot. They really are bad but I still love the memory of it.

locked · June 2010

TooMuchBlood wrote:

riverrun71 wrote:

sound frequencies??????????

The sound comes off as shrill and harsh. It doesn't sound pleasant. Re: sound frequencies — adjustments over the the three main ranges can help improve sound.

Listen, just compare a 2000 or 2003 boot with this one. The headaches I speak of happened with repeated work with horribly mastered or unmastered music.

I have to agree..

I have no idea what type of quality review.. if any.. took place before these boots were released..

they are substandard compared to official boots of just about anyone out there iin 2010..

Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

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