Rage Vs Pearl Jam

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Karley wrote:
    So besides doing an unnescessary REUNION-TOUR (that says it all) with no new material at all I just think the ticket prices are way too high...They doing greatest hits sets? With songs off their 3 records...?

    Edit: Good band nonetheless...had to be said.

    Not a reunion tour. They promised to do this free gig in London. They are doing a few other dates on top of this to help pay for it and make it somewhat worthwhile.
  • Karley
    Karley Posts: 506
    redrock wrote:
    Karley wrote:
    So besides doing an unnescessary REUNION-TOUR (that says it all) with no new material at all I just think the ticket prices are way too high...They doing greatest hits sets? With songs off their 3 records...?

    Edit: Good band nonetheless...had to be said.

    Not a reunion tour. They promised to do this free gig in London. They are doing a few other dates on top of this to help pay for it and make it somewhat worthwhile.

    Yeah I guess two years of playing the biggest festivals all over the world helped spreading their message...damn this sounds so anti! I actually like this band!!
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  • surforia
    surforia SoCal Posts: 352
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
    as for who's better
    pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.

    Tom Morello a one man show? Hardly. I don't see The Nightwatchman selling out festivals all over the world. Like, PJ, Rage is a sum of its parts but it's the vocals and lyrics that put them over the top.

    Anyone else happen to know that EV was in a punk band in high school with Brad Wilk (Rage's drummer)?
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  • fox_mulderX
    fox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    surforia wrote:
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
    as for who's better
    pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.

    Tom Morello a one man show? Hardly. I don't see The Nightwatchman selling out festivals all over the world. Like, PJ, Rage is a sum of its parts but it's the vocals and lyrics that put them over the top.

    Anyone else happen to know that EV was in a punk band in high school with Brad Wilk (Rage's drummer)?

    who do you think wrote most of rage's songs (music and lyrics).. tom. he was the brains and heart and soul behind that band. sure zack had a great voice and he was angry, but without tom the band was nothing. that's what i meant when i said they were a one man show.
    brad and tim were great, too.
  • BF25394
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    pdalowsky wrote:
    Karley wrote:

    Paul McCartney lives off the beatles still, but it doesnt detract from the fact he's a legend - fact is people want to see it.....and RATM play those tracks like they were written yesterday with the same passion and fire.....

    ??

    McCartney could play a set full of nothing but Wings songs and solo material and it would be a better set than almost any other artist alive. (And he does play a lot of non-Beatles material, so I don't think it's fair to say he's living off the Beatles. Then again, there are a lot worse things one could do than to live off the Beatles.)
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,941
    jonbond1779 wrote:
    So I was one of the lucky ones to see Rage Against the Machine Live at Finsbury Park, London on Sunday....

    RATM - No improves, no long solos, bit too political...quite a short set (1hr 20mins)


    Huh? This is like saying, "I thought the Chris Rock show had a little too much comedy." Politics is Rage's stock-in-trade-- not just in live commentary, but in the content of its artistic output. It always puzzles me when people criticize artists when they speak out about political matters at shows when the artists' music is suffused with political and social commentary and always has been (Springsteen and Pearl Jam are two other examples).
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    fox_mulderX wrote:
    rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
    as for who's better
    pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.

    I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."
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  • fox_mulderX
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
    as for who's better
    pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.

    I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."

    what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?
  • HollisBrown
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    Well, they do have Tom Morello, one of the best guitarists playing today. Very few guitarists today are in his class. Mike is great, too, but The Nightwatchman is miles ahead. Just an opinion.
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  • surforia
    surforia SoCal Posts: 352
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
    as for who's better
    pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.

    I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."

    what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?

    I think the logic behind the movement was that he had an unfair trial, at least that's what many legal scholars have claimed. Most rational people that supported the cause seemed to advocate that it is in everybody's best interests to have fair trials, especially when the defendant's overt political affiliation (ex-Black Panther) was made an issue by the prosecution. I think RATM went a little overboard by proclaiming "FREE MUMIA." There's a major distinction to be drawn between "FREE MUMIA" and "Give the guy a fair trial" (especially if the evidence speaks for itself anyway).
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    BF25394 wrote:
    pdalowsky wrote:
    Karley wrote:

    Paul McCartney lives off the beatles still, but it doesnt detract from the fact he's a legend - fact is people want to see it.....and RATM play those tracks like they were written yesterday with the same passion and fire.....

    ??

    McCartney could play a set full of nothing but Wings songs and solo material and it would be a better set than almost any other artist alive. (And he does play a lot of non-Beatles material, so I don't think it's fair to say he's living off the Beatles. Then again, there are a lot worse things one could do than to live off the Beatles.)

    everyone to their own I guess, but at the shows I have seen Paul play the crowd are always far more receptive to the beatles material. Much more.

    For me mccartneys solo work has been rubbish for years now and a good example of someone who perhaps should give it up when it comes to new stuff.

    Was never into wings either..... But the beatles broke the mould and long may Paul continue to play that stuff
  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Karley wrote:
    RATM seem to be some money-hungry fuckers.

    And yet they just put on a completely free show in London for 40,000 people, paying for it by playing a load of other festivals, and they donated 100% of the profits from the sales generated by the facebook campaign that got them to the Christmas #1 spot in the UK to a homeless charity.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    surforia wrote:
    fox_mulderX wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."

    what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?

    I think the logic behind the movement was that he had an unfair trial, at least that's what many legal scholars have claimed. Most rational people that supported the cause seemed to advocate that it is in everybody's best interests to have fair trials, especially when the defendant's overt political affiliation (ex-Black Panther) was made an issue by the prosecution. I think RATM went a little overboard by proclaiming "FREE MUMIA." There's a major distinction to be drawn between "FREE MUMIA" and "Give the guy a fair trial" (especially if the evidence speaks for itself anyway).

    The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
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  • StoneAment
    StoneAment Posts: 393
    Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).

    ...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!
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  • facepollution
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.

    Forgive me, but I've just read through the wikipedia (perhaps not the most reliable source?!) page about Mumia, and I wouldn't say he was "clearly" guilty. He may well be, but it doesn't appear that there is evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    It kind of troubles me that on the one hand people value life so much that taking a life must be repaid by death, yet they are happy to take somthing less than 100% proof of a person's guilt as fact.
  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    StoneAment wrote:
    Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).

    ...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!

    wow, ratms debut was and is one of the finest records ever made, and genre defining at that. A genuine 5 star record that hasn't aged a day . You should go back and replay that disc
  • jets521
    jets521 Posts: 804
    pdalowsky wrote:
    StoneAment wrote:
    Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).

    ...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!

    wow, ratms debut was and is one of the finest records ever made, and genre defining at that. A genuine 5 star record that hasn't aged a day . You should go back and replay that disc


    I would like to add that 'Battle of Los Angeles" is an outstanding album..especially the second half of the album starting with "Born as Ghosts". passionate and intense rock and roll. the overall tone and flow of the album is very special and is still fresh and prominent today.
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  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    Any Rage album > Audioslave
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,276
    South of Seattle wrote:
    Any Rage album > Audioslave

    agreed although I liked audioslave too...well their first album was a reasonable one, the last was a shocker
  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    pdalowsky wrote:
    South of Seattle wrote:
    Any Rage album > Audioslave

    agreed although I liked audioslave too...well their first album was a reasonable one, the last was a shocker
    I like them too, but they're not even in the same realm. Rage never made a bad album.
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