Paul McCartney lives off the beatles still, but it doesnt detract from the fact he's a legend - fact is people want to see it.....and RATM play those tracks like they were written yesterday with the same passion and fire.....
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McCartney could play a set full of nothing but Wings songs and solo material and it would be a better set than almost any other artist alive. (And he does play a lot of non-Beatles material, so I don't think it's fair to say he's living off the Beatles. Then again, there are a lot worse things one could do than to live off the Beatles.)
everyone to their own I guess, but at the shows I have seen Paul play the crowd are always far more receptive to the beatles material. Much more.
For me mccartneys solo work has been rubbish for years now and a good example of someone who perhaps should give it up when it comes to new stuff.
Was never into wings either..... But the beatles broke the mould and long may Paul continue to play that stuff
And yet they just put on a completely free show in London for 40,000 people, paying for it by playing a load of other festivals, and they donated 100% of the profits from the sales generated by the facebook campaign that got them to the Christmas #1 spot in the UK to a homeless charity.
I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."
what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?
I think the logic behind the movement was that he had an unfair trial, at least that's what many legal scholars have claimed. Most rational people that supported the cause seemed to advocate that it is in everybody's best interests to have fair trials, especially when the defendant's overt political affiliation (ex-Black Panther) was made an issue by the prosecution. I think RATM went a little overboard by proclaiming "FREE MUMIA." There's a major distinction to be drawn between "FREE MUMIA" and "Give the guy a fair trial" (especially if the evidence speaks for itself anyway).
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).
...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!
Mike McCready makes the energizer bunny look tired.
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
Forgive me, but I've just read through the wikipedia (perhaps not the most reliable source?!) page about Mumia, and I wouldn't say he was "clearly" guilty. He may well be, but it doesn't appear that there is evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
It kind of troubles me that on the one hand people value life so much that taking a life must be repaid by death, yet they are happy to take somthing less than 100% proof of a person's guilt as fact.
Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).
...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!
wow, ratms debut was and is one of the finest records ever made, and genre defining at that. A genuine 5 star record that hasn't aged a day . You should go back and replay that disc
Rage were ok, not seen them live though. I like a few of their songs but never heard a solid Rage album (I've heard their debut or Battle of LA, they have their moments but aren't great through and through).
...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!
wow, ratms debut was and is one of the finest records ever made, and genre defining at that. A genuine 5 star record that hasn't aged a day . You should go back and replay that disc
I would like to add that 'Battle of Los Angeles" is an outstanding album..especially the second half of the album starting with "Born as Ghosts". passionate and intense rock and roll. the overall tone and flow of the album is very special and is still fresh and prominent today.
Wachovia Center, Philadelphia - 10/3/05
Tweeter Center, Camden - 5/27/06
Verizon Center, Wash. DC - 5/30/06
Bonnaroo, Manchester, TN - 6/14/08
Madison Square Garden, NYC - 6/19/08
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/28/09
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/30/09
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/31/09
Madison Square Garden, NYC - 5/21/10
Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia - 10/21/13
1st Mariner Arena, Baltimore - 10/27/13 Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia - 4/28/16 Enterprise Center, Saint Louis - 9/18/22
Saw RATM in Lisbon 2008 - The opening was like a jumbo jet crashing into the start of an F1 motor race. BAM!!!!!!!! Nothing comes close.
PJ are a different beast.
'06 Milan
'07 Madrid
'08 Virginia Beach / Washington DC
'09 Shepherds Bush / Berlin / Manchester / London
Perth / Sydney / Brisbane
'10 London / Berlin / Lisbon
'11 Rio de Janeiro / Buenos Aires / Lima
'12 Manchester I / Manchester II / Berlin I / Berlin II
'13 Baltimore / Charlottesville / Charlotte
'14 Perth / San Siro / Berlin / "Live at Leeds" / MK
Rage needs to make an album. I mean....why the fuck not? Tom made some Rage-like music with the Street Sweeper Social Club and Zack made some Rage-like music with One Day As A Lion. WHY DON'T THEY MAKE SOME RAGE MUSIC TOGETHER???
I guess that fact that they only managed 3 albums of original material in their prime is a telling sign to why they're not making music now. Damn shame because the world needs Rage now more than ever.
agreed although I liked audioslave too...well their first album was a reasonable one, the last was a shocker
I actually really liked all 3 Audioslave records. The 3rd one is a bit of a grower, didn't have a great initial impression of it, but after a few listens I got to really like it.
Mike McCready makes the energizer bunny look tired.
rage is too left wing at times. it's good to have ideals, but when you go overboard it becomes a shtick. i'm so happy pearl jam has calmed down politically. everyone needs to start thinking like the beatles.
as for who's better
pearl jam. no question. rage was a one man show lead by tom morello, and the other three just followed in his footsteps. i'm not saying i dislike rage, in fact i think they are great, but pearl jam is far better.
I have to say I never paid much attention to RATM's music, since they came out in support of the cop-killer Mumia. Left wing is one thing, but this is just plain ignorant. This guy is plainly guilty and should be fried. I'm kind of a little left of center generally, but the death penalty is perfect for people like that. I will never forgive RATM; I never even bought an Audioslave album. Maybe they should get all the facts before they get behind the latest trendy "cause."
what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.[/quote]
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing
Saw RATM in Lisbon 2008 - The opening was like a jumbo jet crashing into the start of an F1 motor race. BAM!!!!!!!! Nothing comes close.
PJ are a different beast.
I've only ever thought I was going to die in a pit twice.
RATM in 1996 and Pearl Jam in 1993
Same! 2X for RATM (Woodstock '99 and Randall's Island '07), 1X for PJ (Toronto '98)! Those 30,000+ outdoor venues will get you every time if you're in that first 100 feet of the stage. At least by 2007 I was in my late 20's and could hold my ground a little better :P
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.[/quote]
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing[/quote]
Bono is the WORST when it comes to this stuff. I recall pissing off, oh, my entire section at a 2005 U2 show at MSG because I apparently was the only one who had a problem with him going on these 4min tirades between every other song while montages of terrible things in Africa or wherever were being shown on all of the video screens. My pleas for them to "just play 'Where the Streets Have No Name' and shut the F up" weren't well received by my neighbors, but I'm over it. I was there for a concert, not to be reminded about how great my life is since I don't live in a third world country and apparently don't feel enough daily guilt for that fact. Zack on the other hand barely says anything, and Eddie at least has the sense to pick his occasional battles without going overboard and jamming one thing after the next down our throats.
what was the logic behind this mumia movement? how was/is he considered a "political prisoner"?
I think the logic behind the movement was that he had an unfair trial, at least that's what many legal scholars have claimed. Most rational people that supported the cause seemed to advocate that it is in everybody's best interests to have fair trials, especially when the defendant's overt political affiliation (ex-Black Panther) was made an issue by the prosecution. I think RATM went a little overboard by proclaiming "FREE MUMIA." There's a major distinction to be drawn between "FREE MUMIA" and "Give the guy a fair trial" (especially if the evidence speaks for itself anyway).
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing[/quote]
Bono is the WORST when it comes to this stuff. I recall pissing off, oh, my entire section at a 2005 U2 show at MSG because I apparently was the only one who had a problem with him going on these 4min tirades between every other song while montages of terrible things in Africa or wherever were being shown on all of the video screens. My pleas for them to "just play 'Where the Streets Have No Name' and shut the F up" weren't well received by my neighbors, but I'm over it. I was there for a concert, not to be reminded about how great my life is since I don't live in a third world country and apparently don't feel enough daily guilt for that fact. Zack on the other hand barely says anything, and Eddie at least has the sense to pick his occasional battles without going overboard and jamming one thing after the next down our throats.[/quote]
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.
This makes no sense to me. The songs of all of these artists-- to varying degrees, but especially Rage-- are suffused with political commentary. How can you expect an artist to write a bunch of songs about oppression, racism, poverty, war, hunger, corporate hegemony, etc., but then never speak of these issues when presenting the songs in concert? If you went to a Taylor Swift show and she started spouting off about political issues, I would understand your surprise or disappointment. (No disrespect to Taylor intended.) But U2, Pearl Jam, Rage, Springsteen, Dylan? Their points-of-view are well-established and have been expressed in their music from the beginning.
What amazes me is how people can be oblivious to the themes in the music they love. (I'm not saying you're oblivious, TP-- I'm thinking of other people I know.)
One more thing re: TP's second post above: say what you want about Bono, but he has put his money and time where his mouth is. Those 4-minute tirades have raised awareness and money and there are literally tens of thousands of people living better lives in the world today because of Bono's efforts. By the way, what do you think "Where The Streets Have No Name" is about? Do you think that song has no political content?
I think the logic behind the movement was that he had an unfair trial, at least that's what many legal scholars have claimed. Most rational people that supported the cause seemed to advocate that it is in everybody's best interests to have fair trials, especially when the defendant's overt political affiliation (ex-Black Panther) was made an issue by the prosecution. I think RATM went a little overboard by proclaiming "FREE MUMIA." There's a major distinction to be drawn between "FREE MUMIA" and "Give the guy a fair trial" (especially if the evidence speaks for itself anyway).
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
Maybe, but the dude still deserves a fair trial.
Already got a fair trial, and about 20 appeals.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
Forgive me, but I've just read through the wikipedia (perhaps not the most reliable source?!) page about Mumia, and I wouldn't say he was "clearly" guilty. He may well be, but it doesn't appear that there is evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
It kind of troubles me that on the one hand people value life so much that taking a life must be repaid by death, yet they are happy to take somthing less than 100% proof of a person's guilt as fact.
That wiki page just reaffirmed the facts that the guy killed Daniel Faulkner. Obviously a lot of people disagree with this, but almost everyone with close knowledge of the facts agrees that the verdict rendered was correct and proper.
Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; WF Center 10/21/13; WF Center 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
I am not a Rage fan, but will never forgive them for the 1993 Lollapolooza stunt (from Wiki):
At a 1993 Lollapalooza appearance in Philadelphia, the band stood onstage naked for 15 minutes with duct tape on their mouths and the letters PMRC painted on their chests in protest against censorship by the Parents Music Resource Center.Refusing to play, they stood in silence with the sound emitted being only audio feedback from Morello and Commerford's guitars. (nsfw image link)
37 PJ Shows, 3 EV Shows, 1134 Total Songs, 24 Different Openers, 9 Different Closers, 252 Unique Songs (never enough)
One more thing re: TP's second post above: say what you want about Bono, but he has put his money and time where his mouth is. Those 4-minute tirades have raised awareness and money and there are literally tens of thousands of people living better lives in the world today because of Bono's efforts. By the way, what do you think "Where The Streets Have No Name" is about? Do you think that song has no political content?
Not knocking his contributions which are clearly evident, plentiful, and generous - HOWEVER - when I pay for a U2 concert, I want a U2 concert. I'm pretty sure everyone in attendance knows what the songs are about, what causes the band stands for, their political allegiances etc - but I don't need to be reminded of it all incessantly in between songs, do I? Just play music and have a good time.
With respect to my ""understanding" of what a song is about, here's an example: I'm an accountant who lives in a Manhattan high-rise and owns a Mustang - do you think I haven't considered that "Soon Forget" was written about millions of people in this country who are in those respects just like me? If nothing else, paying attention to the lyrics of that song remind me that finding a reason to remember each and every day is important to me, and to not get too caught up in the stress of my job or something equally stupid (in the scheme of things, and easier said than done of course). As for U2's songs, I'm not going to pretend to have any understanding of what it is like to grow up in a country like Ireland at a time of such unrest like the members of that band did. I listen to and enjoy their songs for what they are, without getting too attached to them. They are a band I enjoy the music of, plain and simple. Same goes for RATM as well, and even MUSE (who are VERY political) really.
Final RATM note: I'd never realized the irony until now of their prime from 1992-2000 being during the Clinton years versus their disappearance from 2001-2008 during the Bush years, and lastly what appears to be a reemergence of sorts at present for the Obama years. If the 2008 RNC wasn't the ideal setting for them to unleash then what is - yet to my knowledge, they sat it out? If we thought they were big in the 90's they really could have exploded in the 00's, and their maintained popularity following nearly a decade of being completely off the map I think adequately illustrates that point. Talk about some untimely internal dissension as a band.
One more thing re: TP's second post above: say what you want about Bono, but he has put his money and time where his mouth is. Those 4-minute tirades have raised awareness and money and there are literally tens of thousands of people living better lives in the world today because of Bono's efforts. By the way, what do you think "Where The Streets Have No Name" is about? Do you think that song has no political content?
Not knocking his contributions which are clearly evident, plentiful, and generous - HOWEVER - when I pay for a U2 concert, I want a U2 concert. I'm pretty sure everyone in attendance knows what the songs are about, what causes the band stands for, their political allegiances etc - but I don't need to be reminded of it all incessantly in between songs, do I? Just play music and have a good time.
With respect to my ""understanding" of what a song is about, here's an example: I'm an accountant who lives in a Manhattan high-rise and owns a Mustang - do you think I haven't considered that "Soon Forget" was written about millions of people in this country who are in those respects just like me? If nothing else, paying attention to the lyrics of that song remind me that finding a reason to remember each and every day is important to me, and to not get too caught up in the stress of my job or something equally stupid (in the scheme of things, and easier said than done of course). As for U2's songs, I'm not going to pretend to have any understanding of what it is like to grow up in a country like Ireland at a time of such unrest like the members of that band did. I listen to and enjoy their songs for what they are, without getting too attached to them. They are a band I enjoy the music of, plain and simple. Same goes for RATM as well, and even MUSE (who are VERY political) really.
Final RATM note: I'd never realized the irony until now of their prime from 1992-2000 being during the Clinton years versus their disappearance from 2001-2008 during the Bush years, and lastly what appears to be a reemergence of sorts at present for the Obama years. If the 2008 RNC wasn't the ideal setting for them to unleash then what is - yet to my knowledge, they sat it out? If we thought they were big in the 90's they really could have exploded in the 00's, and their maintained popularity following nearly a decade of being completely off the map I think adequately illustrates that point. Talk about some untimely internal dissension as a band.
bono puts his money where his mouth is when u2 is releasing an album. donating is a great publicity stunt
bono puts his money where his mouth is when u2 is releasing an album. donating is a great publicity stunt
Nonsense. In those years in between when U2 is on tour or recording albums, Bono is on the ground in the Third World working to improve people's lives.
I am not a Rage fan, but will never forgive them for the 1993 Lollapolooza stunt (from Wiki):
At a 1993 Lollapalooza appearance in Philadelphia, the band stood onstage naked for 15 minutes with duct tape on their mouths and the letters PMRC painted on their chests in protest against censorship by the Parents Music Resource Center.Refusing to play, they stood in silence with the sound emitted being only audio feedback from Morello and Commerford's guitars. (nsfw image link)
yeah they were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off the mark on this one.
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everyone to their own I guess, but at the shows I have seen Paul play the crowd are always far more receptive to the beatles material. Much more.
For me mccartneys solo work has been rubbish for years now and a good example of someone who perhaps should give it up when it comes to new stuff.
Was never into wings either..... But the beatles broke the mould and long may Paul continue to play that stuff
And yet they just put on a completely free show in London for 40,000 people, paying for it by playing a load of other festivals, and they donated 100% of the profits from the sales generated by the facebook campaign that got them to the Christmas #1 spot in the UK to a homeless charity.
The movement tends to be among people who are far removed from what actually happened. Pretty much everyone in Philadelphia, liberal, conservative, whatever, understands that the guy is clearly a guilty, cold-blooded murderer. There was actually a police boycott of a RATM concert.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
...now Audioslave - they made some great albums!
Forgive me, but I've just read through the wikipedia (perhaps not the most reliable source?!) page about Mumia, and I wouldn't say he was "clearly" guilty. He may well be, but it doesn't appear that there is evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
It kind of troubles me that on the one hand people value life so much that taking a life must be repaid by death, yet they are happy to take somthing less than 100% proof of a person's guilt as fact.
wow, ratms debut was and is one of the finest records ever made, and genre defining at that. A genuine 5 star record that hasn't aged a day . You should go back and replay that disc
I would like to add that 'Battle of Los Angeles" is an outstanding album..especially the second half of the album starting with "Born as Ghosts". passionate and intense rock and roll. the overall tone and flow of the album is very special and is still fresh and prominent today.
Tweeter Center, Camden - 5/27/06
Verizon Center, Wash. DC - 5/30/06
Bonnaroo, Manchester, TN - 6/14/08
Madison Square Garden, NYC - 6/19/08
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/28/09
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/30/09
Spectrum, Philadelphia - 10/31/09
Madison Square Garden, NYC - 5/21/10
Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia - 10/21/13
Wells Fargo Center, Philadelphia - 4/28/16
Enterprise Center, Saint Louis - 9/18/22
agreed although I liked audioslave too...well their first album was a reasonable one, the last was a shocker
PJ are a different beast.
'07 Madrid
'08 Virginia Beach / Washington DC
'09 Shepherds Bush / Berlin / Manchester / London
Perth / Sydney / Brisbane
'10 London / Berlin / Lisbon
'11 Rio de Janeiro / Buenos Aires / Lima
'12 Manchester I / Manchester II / Berlin I / Berlin II
'13 Baltimore / Charlottesville / Charlotte
'14 Perth / San Siro / Berlin / "Live at Leeds" / MK
'22 Berlin / London I / London Ii
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I've only ever thought I was going to die in a pit twice.
RATM in 1996 and Pearl Jam in 1993
I guess that fact that they only managed 3 albums of original material in their prime is a telling sign to why they're not making music now. Damn shame because the world needs Rage now more than ever.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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I actually really liked all 3 Audioslave records. The 3rd one is a bit of a grower, didn't have a great initial impression of it, but after a few listens I got to really like it.
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.
'00: 8/23 8/24 8/25
'03: 4/30 7/2 7/3 7/8 7/9 7/11
'04: 10/1
'06: 5/13 5/27 5/28 6/1 6/3
'08: 6/24 6/25 6/27 6/28 7/1
'09: 10/30 10/31
'10: 5/15 5/18 5/20 5/21 6/25
'11: 9/3 9/4
'12: 9/2 9/22
'13: 7/19 10/18 10/19 10/21 10/22 11/23 11/24
'14: 10/19
'15: 9/26
'16: 4/8 4/9 4/11 4/28 4/29 5/1 5/2 8/5 8/7
'17: RNRHOF 4/17
'18: 9/2 9/4
'21: 9/18
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.[/quote]
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing
Same! 2X for RATM (Woodstock '99 and Randall's Island '07), 1X for PJ (Toronto '98)! Those 30,000+ outdoor venues will get you every time if you're in that first 100 feet of the stage. At least by 2007 I was in my late 20's and could hold my ground a little better :P
'00: 8/23 8/24 8/25
'03: 4/30 7/2 7/3 7/8 7/9 7/11
'04: 10/1
'06: 5/13 5/27 5/28 6/1 6/3
'08: 6/24 6/25 6/27 6/28 7/1
'09: 10/30 10/31
'10: 5/15 5/18 5/20 5/21 6/25
'11: 9/3 9/4
'12: 9/2 9/22
'13: 7/19 10/18 10/19 10/21 10/22 11/23 11/24
'14: 10/19
'15: 9/26
'16: 4/8 4/9 4/11 4/28 4/29 5/1 5/2 8/5 8/7
'17: RNRHOF 4/17
'18: 9/2 9/4
'21: 9/18
RATM played a show in NJ (the "Free Mumia" show) in January of 1999 at Continental Arena in East Rutherford to support this dude. I went to that concert because of the lineup (Gangstar, Bad Religion, Beastie Boys, RATM) , NOT the cause. Still one of the most memorable concert experiences I've ever had. I saw them the following summer at Woodstock '99, twice on the Battle of LA tour in Dec '99, and most recently at their "reunion" mini-tour in 2007. While their sets are usually predictable and rarely exceed 90mins, seeing them in concert is an experience that few others compare to. The amount of energy that Zack shares with the crowd is uniquely awesome. If you're at all a fan of that band, seeing them once is something you have to experience to understand. The show is about as different from a PJ show as it could possibly be, but that doesn't make it bad or leave anything to be desired. Watch some clips of their '93 Reading Festival performance of them on YouTube or something, look at the crowd, and tell me that what you see isn't awesome.
That all said, I'm not a fan of their politics or causes necessarily, but that doesn't mean they can't put on a superior show. I don't necessarily care for Bono's or even Eddie's political rants half the time either, but that won't keep me from going to a U2 or PJ show.[/quote]
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing[/quote]
Bono is the WORST when it comes to this stuff. I recall pissing off, oh, my entire section at a 2005 U2 show at MSG because I apparently was the only one who had a problem with him going on these 4min tirades between every other song while montages of terrible things in Africa or wherever were being shown on all of the video screens. My pleas for them to "just play 'Where the Streets Have No Name' and shut the F up" weren't well received by my neighbors, but I'm over it. I was there for a concert, not to be reminded about how great my life is since I don't live in a third world country and apparently don't feel enough daily guilt for that fact. Zack on the other hand barely says anything, and Eddie at least has the sense to pick his occasional battles without going overboard and jamming one thing after the next down our throats.
'00: 8/23 8/24 8/25
'03: 4/30 7/2 7/3 7/8 7/9 7/11
'04: 10/1
'06: 5/13 5/27 5/28 6/1 6/3
'08: 6/24 6/25 6/27 6/28 7/1
'09: 10/30 10/31
'10: 5/15 5/18 5/20 5/21 6/25
'11: 9/3 9/4
'12: 9/2 9/22
'13: 7/19 10/18 10/19 10/21 10/22 11/23 11/24
'14: 10/19
'15: 9/26
'16: 4/8 4/9 4/11 4/28 4/29 5/1 5/2 8/5 8/7
'17: RNRHOF 4/17
'18: 9/2 9/4
'21: 9/18
Maybe, but the dude still deserves a fair trial.
Nail on the head here
although after seeing the Vertigo tour - Bono put me off from ever seeing them again....whereas Zack barely talks politics on stage, and leaves most to the music, it seemed after seeing U2 i was at a political broadcast
never again. so i think i understand why some people can be put off by this type of thing[/quote]
Bono is the WORST when it comes to this stuff. I recall pissing off, oh, my entire section at a 2005 U2 show at MSG because I apparently was the only one who had a problem with him going on these 4min tirades between every other song while montages of terrible things in Africa or wherever were being shown on all of the video screens. My pleas for them to "just play 'Where the Streets Have No Name' and shut the F up" weren't well received by my neighbors, but I'm over it. I was there for a concert, not to be reminded about how great my life is since I don't live in a third world country and apparently don't feel enough daily guilt for that fact. Zack on the other hand barely says anything, and Eddie at least has the sense to pick his occasional battles without going overboard and jamming one thing after the next down our throats.[/quote]
are we the same person??
This makes no sense to me. The songs of all of these artists-- to varying degrees, but especially Rage-- are suffused with political commentary. How can you expect an artist to write a bunch of songs about oppression, racism, poverty, war, hunger, corporate hegemony, etc., but then never speak of these issues when presenting the songs in concert? If you went to a Taylor Swift show and she started spouting off about political issues, I would understand your surprise or disappointment. (No disrespect to Taylor intended.) But U2, Pearl Jam, Rage, Springsteen, Dylan? Their points-of-view are well-established and have been expressed in their music from the beginning.
What amazes me is how people can be oblivious to the themes in the music they love. (I'm not saying you're oblivious, TP-- I'm thinking of other people I know.)
Already got a fair trial, and about 20 appeals.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
That wiki page just reaffirmed the facts that the guy killed Daniel Faulkner. Obviously a lot of people disagree with this, but almost everyone with close knowledge of the facts agrees that the verdict rendered was correct and proper.
Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18;
Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24
Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
Not knocking his contributions which are clearly evident, plentiful, and generous - HOWEVER - when I pay for a U2 concert, I want a U2 concert. I'm pretty sure everyone in attendance knows what the songs are about, what causes the band stands for, their political allegiances etc - but I don't need to be reminded of it all incessantly in between songs, do I? Just play music and have a good time.
With respect to my ""understanding" of what a song is about, here's an example: I'm an accountant who lives in a Manhattan high-rise and owns a Mustang - do you think I haven't considered that "Soon Forget" was written about millions of people in this country who are in those respects just like me? If nothing else, paying attention to the lyrics of that song remind me that finding a reason to remember each and every day is important to me, and to not get too caught up in the stress of my job or something equally stupid (in the scheme of things, and easier said than done of course). As for U2's songs, I'm not going to pretend to have any understanding of what it is like to grow up in a country like Ireland at a time of such unrest like the members of that band did. I listen to and enjoy their songs for what they are, without getting too attached to them. They are a band I enjoy the music of, plain and simple. Same goes for RATM as well, and even MUSE (who are VERY political) really.
Final RATM note: I'd never realized the irony until now of their prime from 1992-2000 being during the Clinton years versus their disappearance from 2001-2008 during the Bush years, and lastly what appears to be a reemergence of sorts at present for the Obama years. If the 2008 RNC wasn't the ideal setting for them to unleash then what is - yet to my knowledge, they sat it out? If we thought they were big in the 90's they really could have exploded in the 00's, and their maintained popularity following nearly a decade of being completely off the map I think adequately illustrates that point. Talk about some untimely internal dissension as a band.
'00: 8/23 8/24 8/25
'03: 4/30 7/2 7/3 7/8 7/9 7/11
'04: 10/1
'06: 5/13 5/27 5/28 6/1 6/3
'08: 6/24 6/25 6/27 6/28 7/1
'09: 10/30 10/31
'10: 5/15 5/18 5/20 5/21 6/25
'11: 9/3 9/4
'12: 9/2 9/22
'13: 7/19 10/18 10/19 10/21 10/22 11/23 11/24
'14: 10/19
'15: 9/26
'16: 4/8 4/9 4/11 4/28 4/29 5/1 5/2 8/5 8/7
'17: RNRHOF 4/17
'18: 9/2 9/4
'21: 9/18
bono puts his money where his mouth is when u2 is releasing an album. donating is a great publicity stunt
Nonsense. In those years in between when U2 is on tour or recording albums, Bono is on the ground in the Third World working to improve people's lives.
yeah they were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY off the mark on this one.
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But very strange .... I have a mix cd going on right now.
The second I saw this post ... Rage came on.
Michael Franti