Whites Five Times Richer Than Blacks In U.S

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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    cincybearcat wrote:
    My point is, if you give me the funding, I'll prove to you that young kids in low income areas are out way too late. I'm confident of it.
    This one made me laugh. Good job.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    scb wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    A single parent of 6 (paid for by the GOV/ you) does not contribute to America or Society.

    People contribute to society in many more ways than just monetary ones. It's a shame that all we can see is $$.

    I wasn't even talking about monetary - Can you please give me an example of what they contribute?

    You were suggesting that people on welfare take more from society than they give, right? How exactly do you mean to say they do that that is not related to money?

    If you really don't understand the value of human beings in this society, I'm not sure I can help you. :?
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    edited May 2010
    The main question here seems to be:

    How long does the white man need to help out the black man to make up for past injustices?

    I believe the burden is on both groups, but the former victimizers can't decide when it is time to stop helping...that is for the victims to decide.
    Post edited by JOEJOEJOE on
  • dasvidana
    dasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    Seems to me that several points are being made:

    1. Corporations are bad.
    2. Racism goes both ways.
    3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
    4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
    5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.

    Have I left anything out?
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,097
    dasvidana wrote:
    Seems to me that several points are being made:

    1. Corporations are bad.
    2. Racism goes both ways.
    3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
    4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
    5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.

    Have I left anything out?
    if you can condense 13 pages down into 8 lines you should be writing cliff's notes books. nice job! ;)
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    4. Sorry, I thought when you said we shouldn't "let them reproduce" you meant we should actually keep them from reproducing. So if you're not saying we should keep "them" from reproducing, but just that we shouldn't provide assistance to the children of "these" people, I would like to know more about how you would like to see that play out. Are you saying we shouldn't provide for healthcare for children or for pregnancy? Are you saying we shouldn't provide social programs for children, like after school programs, etc.? Are you saying we shouldn't provide education or libraries for these children? Are you saying we should leave the children of "these" people to live on the streets and go hungry?

    Or lets let it continue to play out how it is with no consequences for their actions. That seems to be going well for the poor don't you thin?
    Parents should provide healtcare for children. That is their responsibility, if you don't have any as a parent, guess what don't have any kids. That seems pretty simple to me. If I don't have the money to buy something, i don't buy it... I guess you are for letting my buy and it you will end up paying for it???
    Why would I not want social programs, what does this have to do with reproduction of welfare parents?
    We most certinly should provide education and libraries for children, not just poor ones.
    No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids. There are plenty of parents out there that can not have kids that would love to take care of a child.


    So let me get this straight - Your solution is to let people do whatever they want (have kids they can't pay for)and have everyone else foot the bill and your ok with that?

    I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.

    So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:

    A. Prevent childbirth?

    B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?

    Or, I guess it could be...

    C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?

    I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.

    Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.

    I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.

    So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:

    A. Prevent childbirth?

    B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?

    Or, I guess it could be...

    C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?

    I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.

    You don't get it. Why do you assume its ok to have kids when the GOV is paying for you to live?
    Once you answer that questions then I think we can discuss. If the Gov is paying for you to live, why add a child into the the situation when you can't even pay for your self to live. That is my point of this whole arguement. They are going to have to learn at some point in time to take responsibilitiy for their actions. Giving free free rides does not solve anything. How do you not understand that.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    scb wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    scb wrote:
    I think we have to be careful to not confuse not having time, money, health, etc. to do things with your kids with not caring.

    Thank you for proving my poing again. You continually make excuses for them with out any knowlege of what the real issue is.

    I have no idea what this means or why you suggest that I have no knowledge of what the REAL issue is. I would suggest that you are the one with no idea of what the real issue is, and no desire to learn. Or at least that you don't have any greater fund of knowledge than the rest of us.

    It means your making excuses for situations that you have no idea about. "If they can't teach their kids a sport its probably because they don't have money, or time or health" Why do you come to that conclusion. What about welfare shows how hard they work. If you make a small ammount of money you actually don't qualify for welfare so that shows right there that they are willing to except less money for no work, than more money and work. I have a very good idea of the issue as i see evidence of it everyday, Cincinnati and the surrounding areas have gone downhill since i have lived their there is no progression. maybe not insult my knowlege and lets hear your idea on how to fix the situation. Let me guess more handouts?
  • dasvidana
    dasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    dasvidana wrote:
    Seems to me that several points are being made:

    1. Corporations are bad.
    2. Racism goes both ways.
    3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
    4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
    5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.

    Have I left anything out?
    6. Small sample sizes aren't usually generalizable.
    It's nice to be nice to the nice.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I don't understand your circular argument. You said, "My solution would be that if your on welfare you can not reporduce." So I thought you were talking about keeping people from reproducing and asked about abortion, which is the only way to completely enforce this solution. Then you clarified that you weren't suggesting the prohibition of reproduction; your suggestion "was simply that if you have a child, then the gov will not pay for that." So then I asked what, in reality, you want the government to not pay for - should the government allow kids to go hungry, for instance. And now your response: "No i am not saying we should leave them on the streets go to hungry. Look if you can't feed your kids don't have kids." So that takes us back to not reproducing.

    So please help me understand what exactly it is that you want the government to do solve this problem. Is it:

    A. Prevent childbirth?

    B. Allow childbirth but not provide any assistance to the children?

    Or, I guess it could be...

    C. Require that all children born into poverty be placed for adoption by a wealthier family who wants the poor family's baby?

    I honestly can't see any other policy solution that meets your requirements.

    You don't get it. Why do you assume its ok to have kids when the GOV is paying for you to live?
    Once you answer that questions then I think we can discuss. If the Gov is paying for you to live, why add a child into the the situation when you can't even pay for your self to live. That is my point of this whole arguement. They are going to have to learn at some point in time to take responsibilitiy for their actions. Giving free free rides does not solve anything. How do you not understand that.

    I never said it's a good idea to have kids when you are utilizing public assistance. (So can we discuss now?)

    I'm just trying to acknowledge reality here.

    Reality #1: 1 out of every 2 pregnancies in the United States is accidental. So you don't have to decide to have a kid or think it's a good idea or whatever in order to get pregnant. Pregnancy happens. You can't just say it "shouldn't". That's life. (If you have a problem with this, I would like to know what concrete things you are going to do to actually decrease unintended pregnancy rates.)

    Reality #2: When pregnancy does occur, there are a limited number of things that can happen:

    A. The pregnancy can be terminated.

    B. The pregnancy can be continued but the baby placed for adoption.

    C. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can refuse any assistance that it necessary for the wellbeing of the child.

    D. The pregnancy can be continued, the baby can be kept, and the government can provide necessary assistance for the wellbeing of the child.

    IN REALITY, these are the only options. So which one are you advocating for and how do you think your plan should be implemented/enforced?
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Parenting is the Key here, Education system could be better but that is not the problem, Actually physically going to school is the problem. Taking your son out of school to get the new Jordan's that hit the street at footlocker does nothing but reinforce their thought process that school is not important and having nice clothes and cars are. Living off welfare and foodstamp will never teach anyone how to manage money and gain welth. When you have generations living off welfare and foodstamps then the problem continues to expand.
    Spend time with your kids, know what they are doing and who their friends are, and continually to ask them questions about school and challenge their mind.

    This has to be one of the most ignorant posts ever on these message boards.
    +1
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The main question here seems to be:

    How long does the white man need to help out the black man to make up for past injustices?

    I believe the burden is on both groups, but the former victimizers can't decide when it is time to stop helping...that is for the victims to decide.

    No, that isn't the question.

    We're not talking about past injustices, we're talking about current injustices.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dasvidana wrote:
    Seems to me that several points are being made:

    1. Corporations are bad.
    2. Racism goes both ways.
    3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
    4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
    5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.

    Have I left anything out?

    You left out the following:


    racial discrimination = good business
    Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes
    Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
    Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
    Racism is a thing of the past
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2010
    Heidijam, you see the 'quote' button above everyone's posts? You should click on it sometime. It's there for a reason.

    And a question: Why is your username 'Heidijam' if you're a fella? Heidi is a girls name.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,822
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The main question here seems to be:

    How long does the white man need to help out the black man to make up for past injustices?

    I believe the burden is on both groups, but the former victimizers can't decide when it is time to stop helping...that is for the victims to decide.

    No, that isn't the question.

    We're not talking about past injustices, we're talking about current injustices.


    Oh, Byrnzie, we came soooo close on finally agreeing on something!

    Maybe next time!
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2010
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    The main question here seems to be:

    How long does the white man need to help out the black man to make up for past injustices?

    I believe the burden is on both groups, but the former victimizers can't decide when it is time to stop helping...that is for the victims to decide.

    No, that isn't the question.

    We're not talking about past injustices, we're talking about current injustices.


    Oh, Byrnzie, we came soooo close on finally agreeing on something!

    Maybe next time!

    Keep the faith. It may happen one day. ;)
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    I would like to see a stat on the accidental birth rate. Not that i don't belive you, I have just never heard that before.

    The best way to not have unexpected pregnancies is by safe sex, birth control, and to teach kids about it, not to sugar coat it how they do things today. Instead of treating sex like it does not happend,in school they need to explain to kids how realistic it is. This could help.

    As far as reality #2. Put the child in the best possible care it can recieve. If the parents can't afford a child then someone else needs to take care of the child, there should be visitation if the bio parents want that, but it is extremely unfair for a child to grow up to live a life where they have to take care of their parents and live a life with no promise or taught any responsibility.

    these are just my opinions, I am not saying they are right or perfect, but this is how i see fixing a problem that seems to have no end.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Byrnzie wrote:
    dasvidana wrote:
    Seems to me that several points are being made:

    1. Corporations are bad.
    2. Racism goes both ways.
    3. Some on welfare don't work hard enough.
    4. Ethnic minorities living in poverty have multiple reasons, many of them complex and generational, of why that is so.
    5. Heidijam lives near apparently lazy minorities and is bothered by it.

    Have I left anything out?

    You left out the following:


    racial discrimination = good business
    Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes
    Poor people & ethnic minorities don't care about education
    Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late
    Racism is a thing of the past

    Poor people shouldn't have children or buy nice clothes - why do you insist that poor people should be able to do what everyone else does and not have any responsibility?
    poor people and ethnic minorities don't care about education - There seems to be overwhelming evidence for this.
    Poor children stay out playing on the streets too late - i guess you see nothing wrong with that.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Heidijam, you see the 'quote' button above everyone's posts? You should click on it sometime. It's there for a reason.

    And a question: Why is your username 'Heidijam' if you're a fella? Heidi is a girls name.

    Heidi is my wife's name - I used it because its the closest i can get her to liking pearl jam.

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