Plan to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero
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i second that...catefrances wrote:_outlaw wrote:
so the fuck what? should we next ban churches from being built close to abortion clinics? what's the exact amount of blocks you have to be to be able to build these things? I mean just give me a rough number.... 10 blocks? 20? or is this all built on arbitrary bullshit in order to serve as a means to keeping a political agenda established and adored by millions of fucking lunatics and dumb ass motherfuckers.aerial wrote:plans to build a 13-story mosque and cultural center just two blocks from Ground Zero
you know what of find offensive?????????????
the fact that the site of the world trade centre is called ground zero."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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i am completely confused by what you are saying. she told you to be a real man and clarify your statement and you replied to learn what a real man is before you answer???? :? :?Godfather. wrote:scb wrote:Godfather. wrote:so Charlie Manson didn't kill anybody but he will still never get out of prison :? set him free !!!!
that's what you guy sound like.
Godfather.
Are you comparing all Muslims to Charles Manson? And please be a man & step up & be clear about what you're really saying instead of avoiding the question.
good grief are you kidding......Muslims to Charles Manson ? you just proved what I have been saying, it also sounds like you haven't learned what a real man is....learn that before you ask me to step up cup cake.
Godfather."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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and for the last fucking time, there are no "lay down and give up america to anybody" people on the train. do you realize how juvenile your line of thinking is? you are making an issue about a mosque near ground zero, while most likely 95% of americans have other more important shit to be worried about. if you want to be against tolerance and cultural integration and education and a community center where people of all faiths can come together as one, then so be it. but just know that your opposition to something like this that has tremendous upside makes you look completely irrational and short sighted.Godfather. wrote:irrational to who ? ............the lay down and give up America to anybody people on this forum ?
and your analogy is bull crap.
Godfather."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Who said that....you?scb wrote:Isn't it amazing what spin people can put on things? This unsourced article (or blog?) would have us believe that this is an offensive gesture and that those who personally experienced teh 9/11 attacks are all against it. But I heard about this a month or so ago. And what I heard is that it will primarily be a community center where people of all faiths can come together, that its purpose is to give back to this community, to oppose extremism, and to foster peace and healing. And they quoted 9/11 victims who were not only supporting it, but actively working to make it happen because they considered this a way they could fight back against the attacks.scb wrote:I'm so fucking sick of all the hatred I see coming from some groups these days. If it were up to them, we'd never have peace in this world.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
It seems hateful to make it a problem that some american citizens might want to build a religious/community structure. In this article, they are rejected, seen as being terrorist-linked and somehow part of the group that attacked NYC!
Don't the people wanting to build the new structure live here too? Aren't they part of our country, aren't they people who live in NYC? Since when is it okay to attack Americans and make nasty assumptions because they aren't Christian?! :evil:&&&&&&&&&&&&&&0 -
yes aerial, christians may have never openly declared hatred for muslims, yet they do hate them. this is a case in point because hatred is what will keep this mosque from being built. we never declared war on iraq and afghanastan, but yet we are at war with those two countries. we have not declared those things, but our actions in their countries IMPLY that we hate them. don't you see how those things all are connected???? and why is there no comparison between christian extremists and muslim extremists? they are both fucking extremists right????aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....
and yes, political correctness is the cause of all of this :roll: :roll: how about the arrogance of "american exceptionalism?? that crap is enough to make anybody want to kill us.
i am going to use the movie step brothers as a quick example.. to the rest of the world the US looks like derek, the cocky, arrogant brother that feels he is better and more exceptional than the other brothers, while dale and brennan are the smaller countries that are not the economic powers that derek is, yet they just want to make a life and not have any trouble or too many ambitions..so what happens? dale and brennan gang up on derek. do you see how all of this hatred can be caused by american exceptionalism and arrogance?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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the "christians" on this board will tell you that it is and has always been ok to do such things.justam wrote:It seems hateful to make it a problem that some american citizens might want to build a religious/community structure. In this article, they are rejected, seen as being terrorist-linked and somehow part of the group that attacked NYC!
Don't the people wanting to build the new structure live here too? Aren't they part of our country, aren't they people who live in NYC? Since when is it okay to attack Americans and make nasty assumptions because they aren't Christian?! :evil:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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that's not common sense. punishing an entire group of people based one their connection by religion to a set group of extremists is completely irrational. how much more obvious can this get? you know what would be pretty funny, if you were just fucking with us because you're so wrong you have to be joking. don't you see how this only makes the problem worse? you know who can stop muslim extremists? muslims. so stop alienating them and start trying to work with them in rational ways and they can help overcome islamic fundamentalism easily, but instead you choose to just make problems worse and not work with anyone. you're clearly from the same ideology of supporting the wars overseas that have only made the US look worse in the muslim world due to the huge killing of civilians by US bombs. I'm pretty sure you're from the same party who supports unconditional support of Israel because in some strange way you see the in a "battle against terror" similar to our own delusional battle back home, and as Gen. Petraeus said, our position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is hurting our status elsewhere in the world, like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... The entire Muslim world is still watching what the US does everyday. ordinary Muslim people around the world are waiting for a change in policy and until you show any change (and I'm not speaking of the crap Obama has been spouting off, let alone the insane GOP), they will sit, wait, and watch bombs dropping over their people and military occupations by the US operated and supported in many different forms.aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....0 -
scb wrote:the wolf wrote:I don't have a huge problem with this, but i do think it may be in bad taste in ways.
It reminds me of when the Klan put up their cross here on our city square at christmas time.
they have the right to do it in the name of their christian beliefs, but it's also bad form.
I don't know.
I don't really think comparing a Muslim peace group to the KKK is a good analogy. I don't think you meant to imply a similarity between the groups, but I think the implication is there nonetheless.
I also don't think this was meant to be an in-your-face-with-our-religion type of thing. My understanding is that there has been much talk about how best to rebuild this neighborhood and how to turn it into a site for peace and healing instead of war and suffering. Then this group stepped up and suggested that they could build a community center, which the community needs, and it could be a place where all kinds of people could come together as a neighborhood and learn to love one another across their differences. I believe the mosque part is their way of reclaiming Islam from the extremists, and showing the community that it is a peaceful religion, that they don't hate anyone, and that everyone is welcome.
I don't see this as being in any way similar to the KKK claiming your city square for their religion. I understand that some people may see it that way, but I think those would be the people who are ignorant about and bigoted against Muslims. I don't think the community should be denied their opportunity to heal in the way they see fit just to placate some hate groups.
See how
You will never see how twisted your reasoning is....calling Americans hate groups when it’s the Muslim extremist that hate!.....have you not heard about this?
We are rebuilding were the war has devastated their nation (because it is a war) are the Muslims over here rebuilding the world trade center?“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
I am completely confused by some peoples willingness to give America away to anybody, then say it's ok that they have attacked our country and now want to build a mosiliem a few blocks from ground zero ? to me that's a slap in the face to all Americans especially those that lost loved ones in that attack, it's my opinion that anybody American or not that dosn't love our country enuff to stand up for it can move the country of their choice asap and in some countries the may be supperised how well they have it as Americans.
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I think you're forgetting that we are a country of immigrants. The only people who were here BEFORE the immigrants were the native americans.
This idea that people who came later than your ancestors somehow are less American is false. No one is giving America away!! America has built itself as a place with people who have ancestors from all over.&&&&&&&&&&&&&&0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
yes aerial, christians may have never openly declared hatred for muslims, yet they do hate them. this is a case in point because hatred is what will keep this mosque from being built. we never declared war on iraq and afghanastan, but yet we are at war with those two countries. we have not declared those things, but our actions in their countries IMPLY that we hate them. don't you see how those things all are connected???? and why is there no comparison between christian extremists and muslim extremists? they are both fucking extremists right????aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....
and yes, political correctness is the cause of all of this :roll: :roll: how about the arrogance of "american exceptionalism?? that crap is enough to make anybody want to kill us.
i am going to use the movie step brothers as a quick example.. to the rest of the world the US looks like derek, the cocky, arrogant brother that feels he is better and more exceptional than the other brothers, while dale and brennan are the smaller countries that are not the economic powers that derek is, yet they just want to make a life and not have any trouble or too many ambitions..so what happens? dale and brennan gang up on derek. do you see how all of this hatred can be caused by american exceptionalism and arrogance?
I'm sure another country would love to have you... :?
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newsflash....you can't kick anyone out...next plan please...Godfather. wrote:I am completely confused by some peoples willingness to give America away to anybody, then say it's ok that they have attacked our country and now want to build a mosiliem a few blocks from ground zero ? to me that's a slap in the face to all Americans especially those that lost loved ones in that attack, it's my opinion that anybody American or not that dosn't love our country enuff to stand up for it can move the country of their choice asap and in some countries the may be supperised how well they have it as Americans.
Godfather."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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no i think i will stay here, if for no other reason than to be a thorn in your ass...Godfather. wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:
yes aerial, christians may have never openly declared hatred for muslims, yet they do hate them. this is a case in point because hatred is what will keep this mosque from being built. we never declared war on iraq and afghanastan, but yet we are at war with those two countries. we have not declared those things, but our actions in their countries IMPLY that we hate them. don't you see how those things all are connected???? and why is there no comparison between christian extremists and muslim extremists? they are both fucking extremists right????aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....
and yes, political correctness is the cause of all of this :roll: :roll: how about the arrogance of "american exceptionalism?? that crap is enough to make anybody want to kill us.
i am going to use the movie step brothers as a quick example.. to the rest of the world the US looks like derek, the cocky, arrogant brother that feels he is better and more exceptional than the other brothers, while dale and brennan are the smaller countries that are not the economic powers that derek is, yet they just want to make a life and not have any trouble or too many ambitions..so what happens? dale and brennan gang up on derek. do you see how all of this hatred can be caused by american exceptionalism and arrogance?
I'm sure another country would love to have you... :?
Godfather."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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if godfather and aerial don't want the mosque there in new york, why don't they write to a congressman or something, because pissing and moaning on here won't change anything...
i'm surprised you two are not against the statue of liberty because it was a gift from FRANCE..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
_outlaw wrote:
that's not common sense. punishing an entire group of people based one their connection by religion to a set group of extremists is completely irrational. how much more obvious can this get? you know what would be pretty funny, if you were just fucking with us because you're so wrong you have to be joking. don't you see how this only makes the problem worse? you know who can stop muslim extremists? muslims. so stop alienating them and start trying to work with them in rational ways and they can help overcome islamic fundamentalism easily, but instead you choose to just make problems worse and not work with anyone. you're clearly from the same ideology of supporting the wars overseas that have only made the US look worse in the muslim world due to the huge killing of civilians by US bombs. I'm pretty sure you're from the same party who supports unconditional support of Israel because in some strange way you see the in a "battle against terror" similar to our own delusional battle back home, and as Gen. Petraeus said, our position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is hurting our status elsewhere in the world, like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... The entire Muslim world is still watching what the US does everyday. ordinary Muslim people around the world are waiting for a change in policy and until you show any change (and I'm not speaking of the crap Obama has been spouting off, let alone the insane GOP), they will sit, wait, and watch bombs dropping over their people and military occupations by the US operated and supported in many different forms.aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense....
I can’t be cautious of Muslims but you can act as if you know what my ideology is and you don’t even know me? So what’s the difference you have assumptions and I have mine....does that make us both Haters or just two people with different opinions?“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
justam wrote:I think you're forgetting that we are a country of immigrants. The only people who were here BEFORE the immigrants were the native americans.
This idea that people who came later than your ancestors somehow are less American is false. No one is giving America away!! America has built itself as a place with people who have ancestors from all over.
I don't have a promlem with people wanting to be Americans and your right Americans built america...they came here to be Americans and help to build it not destory it,they gave up everything and left it behind with the country they left even changed their names to be Americans and learned our language, people on here don't think that's important anymore.
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nice post as always outlaw..._outlaw wrote:
that's not common sense. punishing an entire group of people based one their connection by religion to a set group of extremists is completely irrational. how much more obvious can this get? you know what would be pretty funny, if you were just fucking with us because you're so wrong you have to be joking. don't you see how this only makes the problem worse? you know who can stop muslim extremists? muslims. so stop alienating them and start trying to work with them in rational ways and they can help overcome islamic fundamentalism easily, but instead you choose to just make problems worse and not work with anyone. you're clearly from the same ideology of supporting the wars overseas that have only made the US look worse in the muslim world due to the huge killing of civilians by US bombs. I'm pretty sure you're from the same party who supports unconditional support of Israel because in some strange way you see the in a "battle against terror" similar to our own delusional battle back home, and as Gen. Petraeus said, our position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is hurting our status elsewhere in the world, like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc... The entire Muslim world is still watching what the US does everyday. ordinary Muslim people around the world are waiting for a change in policy and until you show any change (and I'm not speaking of the crap Obama has been spouting off, let alone the insane GOP), they will sit, wait, and watch bombs dropping over their people and military occupations by the US operated and supported in many different forms.aerial wrote:Christains have never declare there hatred for muslims, or any nation.........they have not declared death to anyone as the muslim exstremist have on America......so there is no comparing Christians (or Christian extremist) to Muslim extremist........fact is the extremist are embedded in this country and we have to stop the political Correctness and be cautious...it’s just common sense...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:if godfather and aerial don't want the mosque there in new york, why don't they write to a congressman or something, because pissing and moaning on here won't change anything...
i'm surprised you two are not against the statue of liberty because it was a gift from FRANCE... get real man...do know why they gave it to us ?
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