Plan to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited May 2010
    I don't hold all of Christianity as hate-filled racists because the Ku Klux Klan and Neo-Nazi shitheads are part of that religion. Just as I don't hold all of Islam responsible for the attacks perpetrated by Al Qaeda.
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  • aerial
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    But Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, says there are more productive ways to fight Islamic extremism.

    "Even when they have the resources, they are using it for a place of worship, a cultural center for organizations," he said. They are not using it for a counterterrorism research center.

    "They are not using it to lead the war like Americans need to see us do and they are wasting our resources, not to mention that being close to the hallowed ground that is so sensitive in the souls of the families of 9/11. I think it is extremely poor judgment."

    Jasser also has questions about the financing.

    According to reports, the building that occupies the site was purchased last year for $4.85 million in cash by Soho Properties, a real estate company run by Muslims. Imam Rauf, who's also the founder of American Society for Muslim Advancement, ASMA, was an investor in that transaction.

    The balance of the $100-150 million total cost still needs to be raised, but Rauf says he's confident it will be.
    Jasser says that with such a financial commitment, there needs to be full disclosure about where the money is coming from.

    "There should be transparency about who those investors are," he said, "whether that money is coming from domestic interest or not, and if it's coming from foreign interests we need to know, because I think that's a liability, and it shows that there is another agenda rather than domestic security and tranquility."

    This coming from another muslim....I think I would trust this guys opinion...I think it's wrong and bad taste but everything wrong is right in todays world....so to be safe at least follow the money on this one....people need to take the blinders off and pay attention to this one....
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    aerial wrote:
    This coming from another muslim....I think I would trust this guys opinion...I think it's wrong and bad taste but everything wrong is right in todays world....so to be safe at least follow the money on this one....people need to take the blinders off and pay attention to this one....
    ...
    See the world as you see it... because you, of course, aren't wearing blinders... is that what you are saying?
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  • aerial
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    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    This coming from another muslim....I think I would trust this guys opinion...I think it's wrong and bad taste but everything wrong is right in todays world....so to be safe at least follow the money on this one....people need to take the blinders off and pay attention to this one....
    ...
    See the world as you see it... because you, of course, aren't wearing blinders... is that what you are saying?
    No I am not...I am saying we should be Cautious ....
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    aerial wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    This coming from another muslim....I think I would trust this guys opinion...I think it's wrong and bad taste but everything wrong is right in todays world....so to be safe at least follow the money on this one....people need to take the blinders off and pay attention to this one....
    ...
    See the world as you see it... because you, of course, aren't wearing blinders... is that what you are saying?
    No I am not...I am saying we should be Cautious ....
    why should we be cautious? do you think the big bad scary muslims are going to walk 2 blocks down the street and blow up ground zero? it's already been blown up once, and nothing has been built there yet so i think we can relax...
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  • _
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    Godfather. wrote:
    I agree Aerial it's bullshit !! we autta send their ass's packin !

    Godfather.

    Who exactly should we send packing and how far should we send them? Should we ban all mosques within a certain radius of ground zero? Should we send all Muslims out of the United States? Should we refuse to allow a community center to be built in a neighborhood that desperately needs one if it's built by a Muslim? Could you be more specific, please?
  • _
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    polaris_x wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Isn't it amazing what spin people can put on things? This unsourced article (or blog?) would have us believe that this is an offensive gesture and that those who personally experienced teh 9/11 attacks are all against it. But I heard about this a month or so ago. And what I heard is that it will primarily be a community center where people of all faiths can come together, that its purpose is to give back to this community, to oppose extremism, and to foster peace and healing. And they quoted 9/11 victims who were not only supporting it, but actively working to make it happen because they considered this a way they could fight back against the attacks.

    I'm so fucking sick of all the hatred I see coming from some groups these days. If it were up to them, we'd never have peace in this world.

    the problem is that everyone is getting their information from their own sources ... and in many cases - these "sources" are used by people to promote an agenda ... and unfortunately, it works ...

    Of course we don't even know what aerial's source is for this one.

    I'm curious what agenda you think my source (NPR) is trying to promote, if any?
  • fuck
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    aerial wrote:
    plans to build a 13-story mosque and cultural center just two blocks from Ground Zero
    so the fuck what? should we next ban churches from being built close to abortion clinics? what's the exact amount of blocks you have to be to be able to build these things? I mean just give me a rough number.... 10 blocks? 20? or is this all built on arbitrary bullshit in order to serve as a means to keeping a political agenda established and adored by millions of fucking lunatics and dumb ass motherfuckers.
  • _
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    the wolf wrote:
    I don't have a huge problem with this, but i do think it may be in bad taste in ways.

    It reminds me of when the Klan put up their cross here on our city square at christmas time.

    they have the right to do it in the name of their christian beliefs, but it's also bad form.

    I don't know.

    I don't really think comparing a Muslim peace group to the KKK is a good analogy. I don't think you meant to imply a similarity between the groups, but I think the implication is there nonetheless.

    I also don't think this was meant to be an in-your-face-with-our-religion type of thing. My understanding is that there has been much talk about how best to rebuild this neighborhood and how to turn it into a site for peace and healing instead of war and suffering. Then this group stepped up and suggested that they could build a community center, which the community needs, and it could be a place where all kinds of people could come together as a neighborhood and learn to love one another across their differences. I believe the mosque part is their way of reclaiming Islam from the extremists, and showing the community that it is a peaceful religion, that they don't hate anyone, and that everyone is welcome.

    I don't see this as being in any way similar to the KKK claiming your city square for their religion. I understand that some people may see it that way, but I think those would be the people who are ignorant about and bigoted against Muslims. I don't think the community should be denied their opportunity to heal in the way they see fit just to placate some hate groups.
  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    Practically, how would you even do that? They own the land. Should we ban people of certain religions from being able to buy land in America now? The plans are within zoning for that land. Should zoning laws be allowed to discriminate based on religion?
  • _
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    _outlaw wrote:
    or is this all built on arbitrary bullshit in order to serve as a means to keeping a political agenda established and adored by millions of fucking lunatics and dumb ass motherfuckers.

    :lol: We have a winner! :clap:
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I agree Aerial it's bullshit !! we autta send their ass's packin !

    Godfather.

    Who exactly should we send packing and how far should we send them? Should we ban all mosques within a certain radius of ground zero? Should we send all Muslims out of the United States? Should we refuse to allow a community center to be built in a neighborhood that desperately needs one if it's built by a Muslim? Could you be more specific, please?

    no not really,being specific with you and others on the forum is a wast of time, you have the thought that everybody is of good heart and we should share our country with anybody that comes here legal or not and I don't agree with you and btw back to where ever they came from would be nice and they can take their muslim community center with them....just my humble opinion.

    Godfather.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    If this "offends" people, perhaps you should equally go down to your local church and ask them to close up shop and move because of child abuse... but unless you're prepared to make that distinction, perhaps the best and smartest thing you can do is recognize that the actions of a few do not represent the many.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • _
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    Godfather. wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    I agree Aerial it's bullshit !! we autta send their ass's packin !

    Godfather.

    Who exactly should we send packing and how far should we send them? Should we ban all mosques within a certain radius of ground zero? Should we send all Muslims out of the United States? Should we refuse to allow a community center to be built in a neighborhood that desperately needs one if it's built by a Muslim? Could you be more specific, please?

    no not really,being specific with you and others on the forum is a wast of time, you have the thought that everybody is of good heart and we should share our country with anybody that comes here legal or not and I don't agree with you and btw back to where ever they came from would be nice and they can take their muslim community center with them....just my humble opinion.

    Godfather.

    You do realize that there are many, many, many American-born citizens who are Muslim - and they're just as American and have just as much right to be here as you and I, right? :?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    FiveB247x wrote:
    If this "offends" people, perhaps you should equally go down to your local church and ask them to close up shop and move because of child abuse... but unless you're prepared to make that distinction, perhaps the best and smartest thing you can do is recognize that the actions of a few do not represent the many.

    your right not everybody is bad,but if your talking about the catholic church they didn't fly airplanes into our buildings and kill 3000 or so people...how smart was that ?

    Godfather.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    I agree Aerial it's bullshit !! we autta send their ass's packin !

    Godfather.
    ...
    You sounds like the Model Citizen... had you been a German Citizen in 1939, you would have been in the cheering crowds as they, 'Rid Europe of the Jewish scourge'... or, closer to home... sent the Japs packin' to Manzinar in 1942. And don't say you wouldn't have. It's basically the same thing... you are saying today. The only difference is the ethnic/religious group.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,229
    Godfather. wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    If this "offends" people, perhaps you should equally go down to your local church and ask them to close up shop and move because of child abuse... but unless you're prepared to make that distinction, perhaps the best and smartest thing you can do is recognize that the actions of a few do not represent the many.

    your right not everybody is bad,but if your talking about the catholic church they didn't fly airplanes into our buildings and kill 3000 or so people...how smart was that ?

    Godfather.
    yeah but they have mollested more than that and killed more than that during things like the crusades and the spanish inquisition.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Just think if someone killed hundreds of thousands of your countrymen, then built military bases on that land.


    then you guys would be REALLY pissed.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    If the Christians were flying into buildings, trying to blow up planes, committing mass murder on our service men or trying to blow up heavily populated areas in N.Y. I would be cautious of them also . . .
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • _
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    Godfather. wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    If this "offends" people, perhaps you should equally go down to your local church and ask them to close up shop and move because of child abuse... but unless you're prepared to make that distinction, perhaps the best and smartest thing you can do is recognize that the actions of a few do not represent the many.

    your right not everybody is bad,but if your talking about the catholic church they didn't fly airplanes into our buildings and kill 3000 or so people...how smart was that ?

    Godfather.

    Aside from the fact that probably more than 3000 have had their lives destroyed through molestation by actual representatives (not just members) of the Catholic Church, countless wars have been fought and far, far more than 3000 people have been killed IN THE NAME OF Christianity.
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