Protest shows violence and hate in AZ
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unsung wrote:
My stance is not to give them a license. My ex used to deal with them all the time because I'm near a heavily populated area of Mexicans. They never had insurance or licenses so she used to have their vehicles towed all of the time.
I've heard of or seen three accidents where I suspected illegals involvement. The first was at work where I used to build houses, a car full backed into a colleagues car. They tried to give him $10 not to call the police and to fix the damage to his fender. As soon as I got on the phone three got out and started running. Another colleague had his daughter killed by an illegal alien in a car accident, he was drunk too. My uncle had to box in another with his car when this person attempted to flee the scene in his car after causing an accident.
My cousin was killed by a drunk driver. He was W.M.A. and had a license. this was in Colorado about ten years ago. He served no jail time.
When i was in college I had a car accident. Some dude (W.M.A.) slammed into my drivers side door as i was making a very legal left... (he was three cars back.. thought we were all just going to slow... couldn't see my directional... as he was three cars back... so he tried to pass us all by sliding over the double yellow line and slamming into me...) the cops came. they kept him from me. Don't know if he was drunk or not... but he had no insurance... but the cops shielded him and let him go... found out when we got the accident report that he had no insurance (illegal in NY state) ... found out years later who he was... he was a cop's kid.
I know many "illegal's" with licenses. they were all VERY happy when NY state made it legal for them to actually learn how to drive, legally, and were able to get a license and insurance and obey the laws. I would prefer hard working people in my community to be able to drive to and from their jobs... knowing the rules of the road in my community... with licenses.... and that is my stance.
W.M.A.
He won the lottery by being born
Big hand slapped a white male American
Do no wrong, so clean cut...
Dirty his hands, it comes right off
Police man... Police man
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Unsung - I don't understand your logic here & I think you're being prejudiced. You complain that undocumented immigrants don't have driver's licenses or car insurance but then say they they SHOULDN'T have driver's licenses (or, therefore, car insurance). :?
Then you say they should be kept off the streets, which you know is unrealistic and which suggests that you think that, because you know of a few car accidents involving undocumented immigrants, you think none of them can drive. Is that what you are saying? If so, that's a perfect example of prejudice. My experience is that 100% of the time I've been hit by someone driving irresponsibly, it was a male citizen of the United States. Should I then think "those people" can't drive and should be kept off the streets?
And now you're saying human beings without proper documentation should be charged more for medical care so it prevents them from getting care for their sick children? Well I think people like you, who are inhumane, should be turned away from places where human beings are treated and sent, instead, to the vet. Oh wait - even the dog in the video in that other thread was more humane than you, so they probably wouldn't take you either.0 -
get off your high horse SCB. you have never been prejudiced in your entire life????? i bet even ghandi had some prejudices. also i dont think he is that inhumane since your line of work requires you to deny certain medical procedures to illegals. i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...0
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Unsung- why make such a wide sweeping law which effects so many people and areas of our nation but merely basing your strong opinion on a very minor (you mention 3), accidents? Seems a bit rash to me.Post edited by FiveB247x onCONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
wasn't that unsung?FiveB247x wrote:SCB - why make such a wide sweeping law which effects so many people and areas of our nation but merely basing your strong opinion on a very minor (you mention 3), accidents? Seems a bit rash to me.live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
jasongoz wrote:get off your high horse SCB. you have never been prejudiced in your entire life????? i bet even ghandi had some prejudices. also i dont think he is that inhumane since your line of work requires you to deny certain medical procedures to illegals. i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...
Prejudiced in her entire life? You really don't see how the post below is beyond a reasonable "bias?"
Are you just arguing to piss off scb? I really don't undesrstand your point here....unsung wrote:My stance is not to give them a license. My ex used to deal with them all the time because I'm near a heavily populated area of Mexicans. They never had insurance or licenses so she used to have their vehicles towed all of the time.
I've heard of or seen three accidents where I suspected illegals involvement. The first was at work where I used to build houses, a car full backed into a colleagues car. They tried to give him $10 not to call the police and to fix the damage to his fender. As soon as I got on the phone three got out and started running. Another colleague had his daughter killed by an illegal alien in a car accident, he was drunk too. My uncle had to box in another with his car when this person attempted to flee the scene in his car after causing an accident.
So my stance is to keep them off the streets.
Oh and I also think they should pay more for medical services than citizens. Enough of this going to the ER because their kids have the sniffles.0 -
jasongoz wrote:get off your high horse SCB. you have never been prejudiced in your entire life????? i bet even ghandi had some prejudices. also i dont think he is that inhumane since your line of work requires you to deny certain medical procedures to illegals. i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...
Of course I have had prejudice. Everyone has prejudice every day. But it's our responsibility to recognize it and not act on it - and certainly not make sweeping state laws based on it. And unsung basically said that we should try prevent CHILDREN from receiving MEDICAL CARE, even if their parents were able to pay for it to begin with. How is denying medical care to children not inhumane? My assessment of him is based on more than just this one post, by the way.
And the purpose of my job is to HELP patients figure out how to get medical care despite their limited resources. If our government says they can't get an ultrasound unless they pay $1000 that they don't have, I have to relay that information and try to help them figure out how to deal with it. Wow. Asshole-ish again. :roll:
And I'm not going to apologize for having more relevant life experience than you. Get over it. You could actually learn something now and then.0 -
Yes I corrected it... my bad.haffajappa wrote:
wasn't that unsung?FiveB247x wrote:SCB - why make such a wide sweeping law which effects so many people and areas of our nation but merely basing your strong opinion on a very minor (you mention 3), accidents? Seems a bit rash to me.CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
scb wrote:jasongoz wrote:get off your high horse SCB. you have never been prejudiced in your entire life????? i bet even ghandi had some prejudices. also i dont think he is that inhumane since your line of work requires you to deny certain medical procedures to illegals. i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...
Of course I have had prejudice. Everyone has prejudice every day. But it's our responsibility to recognize it and not act on it - and certainly not make sweeping state laws based on it. And unsung basically said that we should try prevent CHILDREN from receiving MEDICAL CARE, even if their parents were able to pay for it to begin with. How is denying medical care to children not inhumane? My assessment of him is based on more than just this one post, by the way.
And the purpose of my job is to HELP patients figure out how to get medical care despite their limited resources. If our government says they can't get an ultrasound unless they pay $1000 that they don't have, I have to relay that information and try to help them figure out how to deal with it. Wow. Asshole-ish again. :roll:
And I'm not going to apologize for having more relevant life experience than you. Get over it. You could actually learn something now and then.
I am over it, i was never really upset about it. I dont even know if its all even true...
yes i have learned something. you are completely dismissive of peoples opinions that differ from your own. plus it wasnt asshole-ish...i am just referring to what YOU stated in an earlier post. if anything this thread has emboldened my belief and backing of this legislation. so thanks...i guess. but go on and keep dismissing ideas as asshole-ish and prejudiced. you will always win that way.0 -
GTFLYGIRL wrote:jasongoz wrote:i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...
Are you giving her shit for having "life expereince" like living on a reservation... and having friends that were beaten and murdered? :shock:
i have never said anything bad about that so i wouldnt even presume or hint that i am. also...just another side track from the real discussion here. nice work.0 -
jasongoz wrote:I am over it, i was never really upset about it. I dont even know if its all even true...
yes i have learned something. you are completely dismissive of peoples opinions that differ from your own. plus it wasnt asshole-ish...i am just referring to what YOU stated in an earlier post. if anything this thread has emboldened my belief and backing of this legislation. so thanks...i guess. but go on and keep dismissing ideas as asshole-ish and prejudiced. you will always win that way.
"I don't even know if it's all true"? What is that supposed to mean? Please note that I have not dismissed any of your IDEAS as asshole-ish. I have referred to your snide personal remarks about me as asshole-ish.
And I haven't dismissed your opinions... I have disagreed with them, which is different. I'm pretty sure I have addressed every one of them.jasongoz wrote:i have never said anything bad about that so i wouldnt even presume or hint that i am. also...just another side track from the real discussion here. nice work.
She wasn't the one creating the side track. She was addressing the side track that YOU created with your snide comments about me and my personal life experience.0 -
jasongoz wrote:GTFLYGIRL wrote:jasongoz wrote:i cannot wait to see what other life experience you can now relate to my posting...
Are you giving her shit for having "life expereince" like living on a reservation... and having friends that were beaten and murdered? :shock:
i have never said anything bad about that so i wouldnt even presume or hint that i am. also...just another side track from the real discussion here. nice work.
NEVER have I tried to sidetrack the real discussion. the real discussion is all i've participated in... YOU are the one who absolutely tried to discount scb's life experiences and how they relate to the opinions she has formed throughout her life and has chosen to express on this board.0 -
scb wrote:She wasn't the one creating the side track. She was addressing the side track that YOU created with your snide comments about me and my personal life experience.
EXACTLY! WTF is going on here? It seems as though people are just trying to fight... and in this case make it personal.... just for the sake of fighting... :evil:0 -
scb wrote:aerial wrote:No sound answers so everyone has to deflect from the actual topic as usual..........
Huh? I'm not even sure what the topic is any more. Rest assured though, if I find out what it is I'll give you a sound answer.aerial wrote:No violence in the video were the people were chained to the building ok scb?....isn’t that a bit crazy to do?........are they uneducated or what? That’s no way to change the law.....looks like they just wanted to be on the news
You really should stop calling people names. You particularly shouldn't talk shit about people when you're the one making the mistakes.
In this case, it's you who is uneducated, not them. Blocking, chaining oneself to, and/or occupying a building is a common and historically significant method of civil disobedience. And civil disobedience has changed MANY laws. Ever hear of Gandhi and the independence of India from British colonial rule? Ever hear of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American civil rights movement? Give me your address and I'll send you a history book for your birthday.
Did chaining ones selves to buildings really prove to change any law ?“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:scb wrote:aerial wrote:No sound answers so everyone has to deflect from the actual topic as usual..........
Huh? I'm not even sure what the topic is any more. Rest assured though, if I find out what it is I'll give you a sound answer.aerial wrote:No violence in the video were the people were chained to the building ok scb?....isn’t that a bit crazy to do?........are they uneducated or what? That’s no way to change the law.....looks like they just wanted to be on the news
You really should stop calling people names. You particularly shouldn't talk shit about people when you're the one making the mistakes.
In this case, it's you who is uneducated, not them. Blocking, chaining oneself to, and/or occupying a building is a common and historically significant method of civil disobedience. And civil disobedience has changed MANY laws. Ever hear of Gandhi and the independence of India from British colonial rule? Ever hear of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the American civil rights movement? Give me your address and I'll send you a history book for your birthday.g under p wrote:I'm pretty sure though that if the Tea Party people chose to use this form of civil disobedience she wouldn't have a problem with it. We used this method in protesting the Vietnam War, Civil Rights SitIn in Greensboro NC. You do remember the time when in our American History we (when I say we I mean white people) refused to serve people of color at lunch counters. They chose to sitin until served, they weren't and were spit on, food poured on and finally arrested. It worked as the sitins caught on and businesses started to lose money around the South.
So civil disobedience does work and can work, one of the BEST American ways of protesting.
Did chaining ones selves to buildings really prove to change any law ?
Over time this may prove to make a difference, one never knows where the intial form of protesting and it's effects will lead to change.
Did any of the Tea Party MANY protest marches lead to any change to any laws?
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Well we haven’t chained ourselves to anything yet but if it works we may as well....but I do think they had something to do with getting some democrats out of the White House. Just buy having PEACEFUL protest.....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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aerial wrote:Well we haven’t chained ourselves to anything yet but if it works we may as well....but I do think they had something to do with getting some democrats out of the White House. Just buy having PEACEFUL protest.....
So am to understand that for a group to have a PEACEFUL protest it has to be done like how the Tea Party does their protesting for it to be acceptable to you?
Other than you who here has a problem with protest of chaining oneself to district offices or sitins etc? I thought your problem with this protest was the *violent* nature of the protest in starting this thread. However, you still have problems when it is non violent and just a matter of civil disobedience of being chained.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Who says protests of any kind have to be peaceful and how does this exactly equate to the legitimacy of the cause or lack their of? In my opinion, some of the greatest social and political changes were at the hands of violent and rebellious acts. The notion that you have to be peaceful and respectful of those who are in many instances discriminating or carrying out injustice at great lengths is merely silly.CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
GTFLYGIRL wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:"Protest shows violence and hate in AR"??
based on the thread title, i thought this thread was supposed to be about violent protests in Arkansas.....isn't the proper abbreviation for Arizona AZ????
Libs like you are such sticklers for literacy! :P
Of course - if we couldn't spell correctly, someone might deport us the next time we're in Arizona.And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.0
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