$10 ticket tour. PJ mentioned.

on2legs wrote:

gndcd402 wrote:

perhaps you dont understand my post...

WE are the common folk. We bust our ass for our money to squeak by on the bills. They have millions in their bank accounts...they don't need the money to survive. Hell they could probably do a world tour for free and still retire as very rich men.

You are calling out the band based on some principle that they should be this noble and altruistic group of guys and they shouldn't care about money because they already have plenty of it.

But principles don't work that way. They don't change based on the size of your bank account. You don't get to apply principles subjectively.

You either believe in them and live it or you're just talking out of your ass.

you sound like ayn rand. haha - it's a joke.

pjsyco wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

If you want cheaper tickets - the next time one of your friends (or you) copy a CD, illegally download a album, buy a rip off t-shirt, rip a dvd, thank them (or yourself) for forcing ticket prices up.

Inflation, less revenue from music and merch sales plus the need to pay the wages of all members of the Pearl Jam organisation are the reason for higher ticket prices - not greed.

A Pearl Jam ticket is still much cheaper than comparable bands and much better bang for your buck.

Bingo....well said

No. Not well said. They are by far more expensive than other comparable bands. The only bands that charge like Pearl Jam are classic rock acts from yesteryear whose touring days are numbered and were not as well financed back in the day.

A comparable band = a peer to Pearl Jam, not someone Ed listened to growing up. Bands like Radiohead, Phish, Green Day, Dave Matthews, Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. I've seen all of these bands on their most recent tours and every single one of them cost significantly less to see. "Right on."

on2legs wrote:

gndcd402 wrote:

perhaps you dont understand my post...

WE are the common folk. We bust our ass for our money to squeak by on the bills. They have millions in their bank accounts...they don't need the money to survive. Hell they could probably do a world tour for free and still retire as very rich men.

You are calling out the band based on some principle that they should be this noble and altruistic group of guys and they shouldn't care about money because they already have plenty of it.

But principles don't work that way. They don't change based on the size of your bank account. You don't get to apply principles subjectively.

You either believe in them and live it or you're just talking out of your ass.

I may accept a raise, but I didn't preach for 15 years about how noble I am for doing my job for less than what I could ask for. If I stood on my boss's desk and said "look at me, I do my job for minimum wage, so that everyone can enjoy my services" then turned around and doubled my salary in less than 5 years, then you can call me a hypocrite.
By the way, this:

"But principles don't work that way. They don't change based on the size of your bank account. You don't get to apply principles subjectively."

is shooting yourself in the foot. I think many of the "gripers" complaints is that it seems the band's principles do change with their bank account.

I don't see a damn thing wrong with getting paid if you can. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that they seem to have done a 180 on a lot of the things they said in the past.

LoveBoatAdmiral wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

LoveBoatAdmiral wrote:

I may accept a raise, but I didn't preach for 15 years about how noble I am for doing my job for less than what I could ask for. If I stood on my boss's desk and said "look at me, I do my job for minimum wage, so that everyone can enjoy my services" then turned around and doubled my salary in less than 5 years, then you can call me a hypocrite.
By the way, this:

"But principles don't work that way. They don't change based on the size of your bank account. You don't get to apply principles subjectively."

is shooting yourself in the foot. I think many of the "gripers" complaints is that it seems the band's principles do change with their bank account.

I don't see a damn thing wrong with getting paid if you can. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that they seem to have done a 180 on a lot of the things they said in the past.

You aren't allowed to feel that way around here. It gets you attacked, even when you have a direct quote as a statement of fact.

...oh. I mean, I love pearl jam....

Now you know the deal. Please feel free to stop by the 10c store and purchase some onesies or stickers for your kids on the way out.

We need to take more into account than just inflation with the wage issue. A lot of wage earners get a higher rate the more experience they have, or the more likely they are to be poached by a competitor.

In 1991 i was beginning my career as a teacher earning a little over $20K. My last wage working as a teacher in 2008 was about $70K. Moving out and running my own business increased my income and also allowed me to be a little more selective about what work I choose to do and what work I pass on. More often than not, the job that pays the most, offers the best security, or offers the best return for effort is what I go for. Sometimes I do a 'love job' for my own reasons or sympathies or as a community service. More often than not, my family and my time with them, influences how and when I work. I'm now in my 40s, as is PJ and I feel my attitude to work is probably a lot like theirs. Yes their work is a lot different - but what price do you put on creativity and performance? They still earn shitloads less than most of the Sportspeople we follow. Fucking Victoria Beckham went out on a $900,000 shoppoing trip the other day.

Remember Pearl Jam could ask a whole lot more and get it fairly easily in their main markets. They no longer go out on massive tours for months/years on end but they still have an organisation to pay for and no no record company funding them. They give liberally to environmental and humanitarian causes and actually show an interest in the places they visit. I'm yet to see Pearl Jam to a 'colour by numbers performance' live I've seen from most other touring acts from the 80s on.

If Pearl Jam are now weathly, I'm glad, it's great to see those producing quality music and experiences with a minimum of fuss rewarded for it rather than the talentless divas or record company clones that are dished up daily through the mass media.

See yas at MSG2!

They have gone from FIGHTING ticketmaster and being VERY vocal about keeping ticketprices low for the fans to now having really high prices in recent years. You can love Pearl Jam all you want, but still this should leave a bitter taste in your mouth. 20 bucks in the early nineties for a collegestudent was a lot lower than 90 bucks or a collegestudent today.

And I pay alot more for PJ tix then similar bands - I guess Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails can be compared. And I bet they are making a lot of money.

Pearl jam is growing into becoming U2/Rolling Stones/Bruce Springsteen/Iron Maiden-esque when they should still be more like Radiohead and NIN.

And, you can excuse the behaviour with all this "illegal downloading" talk BUT that is not stopping other bands from keeping lower prices? And not noting or caring about the 180-turn in their mentality is just stupid.

Fleetwood Mac, The Police, Roger Walters, Britt Spears, Pussycat Dolls, The Who, AC/DC, Status Quo, Greenday, - shit even Heuy Lewis will be $85 this year. For the record - I didn't go to those shows.

But you are comparing with relics/museum artefacts and POP acts that have a huge stage setup and have never fought a ticketservice in order to keep tickets as low as can be.

someone made an excellent point about how much money is spent on a night out.

for the price of a pearl jam ticket i'd be able to pay for a taxi into the city, one or two drinks, and a taxi home again.