CCTV footage of the hitsquad in Dubai

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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I wonder how long it will be before the Israeli killers turn their attention to critics of the Israeli occupation? For all anyone knows there could soon be Israeli assassins aiming their guns at people like Norman Finkelstein, and Jimmy Carter. How long will the world sit back and allow this terrorist rogue state to run amok?

    I think this quote says it all. Paranoid conspiracy theorist? Check. Neurotically self-obsessed (I'm assuming that the author identifies with Carter and Fink here, not such a stretch I think)? Check. It's a wonder that anyone takes you seriously.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    if you want to call my concern for the 1.5 million ordinary Palestinians, who are victims of Israel's illegal and brutal occupation an unhealthy obsession, then so be it.

    i genuinely care about people.

    i can't change who i am and how i feel.
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you required explanations. It denotes that perhaps, given your hysterical and obsessive and at times paranoid and conspiratorial hatred for Israel that your real motivation (and maybe you aren't even fully aware of it and should do some serious soul searching) is anti-semitism. Not accusing per se. Just trying to explicate the charge that the other fellow seems to be making.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    if you want to call my concern for the 1.5 million ordinary Palestinians, who are victims of Israel's illegal and brutal occupation an unhealthy obsession, then so be it.

    i genuinely care about people.

    i can't change who i am and how i feel.

    Well I wasn't actually referring to you. I don't doubt that you care about these people, but I'm a little sad that your view is so one sided. In a conflict with victims on both sides you just don't seem to have enough heart to care for everyone. And the negativity with which you discuss Israel is, I think, part of the problem. Peace comes with understanding, not from demonization.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you required explanations. It denotes that perhaps, given your hysterical and obsessive and at times paranoid and conspiratorial hatred for Israel that your real motivation (and maybe you aren't even fully aware of it and should do some serious soul searching) is anti-semitism. Not accusing per se. Just trying to explicate the charge that the other fellow seems to be making.


    no need to be a dick, i wanted you to be clear. you are implying i am an anti semite and should do some serious soul searching because i just might not be aware of it :roll:

    i bet the people who talked about human rights abuses against blacks a few decades ago really just hated white people, eh?

    you're not accusing me per se, just saying i need to do some serious soul searching on the real motivations of my hysterical, obsessive, paranoid and conspiratorial hatred. just like you don't support commemorating a terrorist organization, you just don't have a problem with it. it's not that i needed an explanation it's that you have a habit of hiding behind semantics, defending things and making accusations but then saying you don't support it or think it.

    maybe you should do some serious soul searching to discover why you will fight that the death of hundreds of innocent women and children cannot be called a massacre but the death of 11 Israeli's can?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/massacre

    Main Entry: 1mas·sa·cre
    Pronunciation: \ˈma-si-kər\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle French
    Date: circa 1578
    1 : the act or an instance of killing a number of usually helpless or unresisting human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty
    2 : a cruel or wanton murder
    3 : a wholesale slaughter of animals
    4 : an act of complete destruction
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    if you want to call my concern for the 1.5 million ordinary Palestinians, who are victims of Israel's illegal and brutal occupation an unhealthy obsession, then so be it.

    i genuinely care about people.

    i can't change who i am and how i feel.

    Well I wasn't actually referring to you. I don't doubt that you care about these people, but I'm a little sad that your view is so one sided. In a conflict with victims on both sides you just don't seem to have enough heart to care for everyone. And the negativity with which you discuss Israel is, I think, part of the problem. Peace comes with understanding, not from demonization.


    and yet you blame the Palestinians for the blockades, walls, checkpoints, theft of land....
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2010
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You know what Im talking about. There have been so many postings by people on here against jewish people that it's sickening.

    Once again the apologists for Israel resort to personal attacks and to playing the Anti-Semitism card because they have no argument.

    Pathetic.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited February 2010
    yosi wrote:
    Well I wasn't actually referring to you. I don't doubt that you care about these people, but I'm a little sad that your view is so one sided. In a conflict with victims on both sides you just don't seem to have enough heart to care for everyone. And the negativity with which you discuss Israel is, I think, part of the problem. Peace comes with understanding, not from demonization.

    Peace comes from understanding when people try to pull the wool over your eyes with distortions of the truth, phony claims of victimhood, and outright lies.

    Fortunately the world is waking up to the scam and seeing things as they really are, despite the concerted efforts of the pro-Israel bloggers to twist the truth with the aim of defending their racist ethnic cleansing campaign and land grab.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    Paranoid conspiracy theorist? Check. Neurotically self-obsessed (I'm assuming that the author identifies with Carter and Fink here, not such a stretch I think)? Check. It's a wonder that anyone takes you seriously.

    Keep 'em coming tough guy.

    I'm sure It's clear to every intelligent person on the M.T that these personal attacks are simply a result of your weak arguments having been rendered completely redundant, along with your credibility.
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    Yeah, you're right, these are pretty personal attacks, and they are weak arguments because of it. Thing is, last time around I was in it to win it, and I used my good arguments. This time around I'm not even going to bother. There isn't any point. Really, I'm just having a bit of fun provoking you guys into some more of your crazed rantings, not that you need any encouragement from me.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    Yosi, the palestine/Israeli conflict isn't a joke man. Why even bother putting your opinion? People are dying and you play games with people on TM? You were in it at first to win it? Now it's a compitition? I just dnt get it?
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Byrnzie wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    Paranoid conspiracy theorist? Check. Neurotically self-obsessed (I'm assuming that the author identifies with Carter and Fink here, not such a stretch I think)? Check. It's a wonder that anyone takes you seriously.

    Keep 'em coming tough guy.

    I'm sure It's clear to every intelligent person on the M.T that these personal attacks are simply a result of your weak arguments having been rendered completely redundant, along with your credibility.

    Both yosi and I have posted TONS of valid counterpoints. Your notion that the "other side" only posts personal attacks because they have no decent argument is delusional, dude.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you required explanations. It denotes that perhaps, given your hysterical and obsessive and at times paranoid and conspiratorial hatred for Israel that your real motivation (and maybe you aren't even fully aware of it and should do some serious soul searching) is anti-semitism. Not accusing per se. Just trying to explicate the charge that the other fellow seems to be making.


    you still didn't answer me...if you aren't accusing me, per se, why did you say perhaps i am not fully aware of my own motivations and should do some serious soul searching to discover i'm an anti-semite?? that's why i asked you to come out and say it, which you still refuse to do, you have this roundabout way of implying and pretty much outright saying something then hiding and saying you aren't saying that, per se... :roll:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    badbrains wrote:
    Yosi, the palestine/Israeli conflict isn't a joke man. Why even bother putting your opinion? People are dying and you play games with people on TM? You were in it at first to win it? Now it's a compitition? I just dnt get it?

    It isn't a joke at all. I've lived it. I know. But people on this board don't treat the situation seriously. They approach this topic as if it was some sort of passion play or morality tale where there are clear good guys and bad guys. That just isn't reality. I've tried to have a serious discussion of this issue on this board and gotten nowhere. Given that Israel is discussed here in absolutely unrealistic terms I have absolutely no problem treating this board as a joke with regard to this topic. I'm Jewish. It's how we cope. You don't like gallows humor, that's your problem, not mine.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    You sound like an anti-Semite to me with all your B.S. post on this subject Im glad these guys did what they did. The guy was a fucking terrorist. Good for Isreal.
    asking how it is possible that Israel is continually allowed to be above international law, and asking why no body seems to care about the welfare of the ordinary Palestinian people, does not make me anti-semite.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    yosi wrote:
    They're just trying to survive and defend themselves.
    that's what the excuse is for the ongoing occupation of the Palestinians. it doesn't mean that it's true. we've been over this so many times. i disagree that you should be able to imprison an entire community of people (1.5 million), because of the actions of a few.

    and defend themselves?

    Israel told the world they launched their attack on Gaza in 08 to stop rocket attacks. since the rockets began about 9 years ago, about 30 Israelis have been killed. in the 08 assualt on Gaza, in 3 weeks, 1417 Palestinians were killed. 76% of those people killed were not even combatants. 318 were children

    i did a post about that a few weeks ok. i don't think you contributed there.

    viewtopic.php?f=13&t=122968

    just making sure you understand where i am coming from. you can tell me till you are blue in the face that Israel is just trying to defend themselves, and i'll keep telling you that you cannot imprison an entire population because of the actions of a few.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    They're just trying to survive and defend themselves.

    Is that how you justify the ongoing, illegal, settlement expansion?
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,212
    Byrnzie wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    They're just trying to survive and defend themselves.

    Is that how you justify the ongoing, illegal, settlement expansion?

    No jackass, that is actually not how I justify it, because, as I've said over and over to you, I don't support the settlements!
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    yosi wrote:
    Yeah, you're right, these are pretty personal attacks, and they are weak arguments because of it. Thing is, last time around I was in it to win it, and I used my good arguments. This time around I'm not even going to bother. There isn't any point. Really, I'm just having a bit of fun provoking you guys into some more of your crazed rantings, not that you need any encouragement from me.
    oh yes, our crazed rantings. we talk of such demented things like 'peace' and 'morality.' we believe in our deranged notion that people should be held accountable for their crimes. we have clearly lost our fucking minds! on the other hand, yosi is completely sane. he tries to justify the killing of thousands of people, his head is in the right place. way to go yosi, stayin ahead of the curve.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    yosi wrote:
    They're just trying to survive and defend themselves.

    Is that how you justify the ongoing, illegal, settlement expansion?

    No jackass, that is actually not how I justify it, because, as I've said over and over to you, I don't support the settlements!

    No, you don't support the settlements, but you still think the settlers have a rightful claim to whatever 'parts of the West Bank' they see fit to steal. Nice cozy, self-serving logic you have there, jackass.

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