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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    intodeep wrote:
    I think part of this is the yankees being tired of Scott Boras's games and them sayin you know what boras FU and your client. Stop using us to drive up prices etc.

    I would have liked damon more but Randy winn is a good pick up if he can revert back to his 07/08 numbers.

    Agreed, almost everything Cash has said the past few days seems to be a shot at Boras.

    Last year was a down yea, only thing that worries me is that he is getting up there in age. In the end it is the #9 hitter and 1% of the payroll.

    Carl Crawford next year.
  • tcaporale
    tcaporale Posts: 1,577
    If we get Crawford...holy shit. He would be the ideal leadoff guy.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    tcaporale wrote:
    If we get Crawford...holy shit. He would be the ideal leadoff guy.

    I would imagine the yanks will make a run at one of mauer/crawfod/lee
  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,629
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    intodeep wrote:
    I think part of this is the yankees being tired of Scott Boras's games and them sayin you know what boras FU and your client. Stop using us to drive up prices etc.

    I would have liked damon more but Randy winn is a good pick up if he can revert back to his 07/08 numbers.

    Agreed, almost everything Cash has said the past few days seems to be a shot at Boras.

    Last year was a down yea, only thing that worries me is that he is getting up there in age. In the end it is the #9 hitter and 1% of the payroll.

    Carl Crawford next year.

    yea. doing the same thing they did when they didn't go after johan.
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  • intodeep
    intodeep Posts: 7,249
    I saw this on the LoHud blog from tyler kepner in regards to an exchange between boras and cashman"

    From Scott Boras: “The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process.”

    From Brian Cashman: “On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.”
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  • I could've sworn yanks offered damon 2 yrs -- 14 mill very early in the off season? If so, I'm sure JD feels like a big douche now.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    intodeep wrote:
    I saw this on the LoHud blog from tyler kepner in regards to an exchange between boras and cashman"

    From Scott Boras: “The Yankees never even made an offer to me regarding Johnny Damon during the entire process.”

    From Brian Cashman: “On Dec. 17, Scott’s exact words were that he would not take a penny less than $13 million a year for two years. We believed him.”

    I saw that as well, interesting exchange. Cashman is obviously a big fan of Boras.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    I could've sworn yanks offered damon 2 yrs -- 14 mill very early in the off season? If so, I'm sure JD feels like a big douche now.

    That's what was reported. Boras says no. It is pretty clear the Yanks saw Damon has having a great year last year and don't think he is going to do it again.

    I also read somewhere that he said he was not comfortable taking that big of a cut from the Yankees becvause he didn't want to set a trend, which means Cashman was dead on about that earlier in the off season. He said players are more likely to take a pay cut from another team than the team they were on.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    A good look at the Winn signing from River Ave Blues...

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/what-s ... 010-23081/

    What should the Yankees expect from Randy Winn in 2010?

    By Mike Axisa .

    When word got out that the Yankees had agreed to a deal with Randy Winn yesterday, many fans were up in arms over letting a silly little thing like a budget get in the way of bringing Johnny Damon back. Damon was a proven performer on the big stage after all, and he had just played a major role in helping the team capture their 27th World Championship. Instead the Yanks opted for Winn, who was so bad with the bat in 2009 that he got outslugged by Ramiro Pena. By 30 points!

    Brian Cashman has been saying for weeks that he only had $2MM to spend on a left fielder, but almost no one took him seriously because hey, they’re the Yankees and they usually get what they want and will pay top dollar to do so. Not this time. Scott Boras told Cash that he wouldn’t take a penny less than $26M over two years for Damon back in December, and Cashman ended up calling his bluff. So now the Yankees are paying Winn $2M in 2010 to do something. Whether that’s serve as the every day left fielder or be a platoon partner for Brett Gardner or just provide a veteran presence on the bench, we don’t know. We won’t know until the season starts either.

    Winn’s .262-.317-.353 batting line in 2009 represents the worse full season offensive output of his career, an ominous sign for a 35-year-old. His .158-.184-.200 line against lefties was the worst mark by a righty batter in 54 years, however that comes with the disclaimer of a microscopic .178 BABIP. One-seventy-eight. If he had posted his career average BABIP against lefties (.301), he actually would have picked up an extra 17 hits, nearly doubling his average to an even .300. That is some horrific luck ladies and gentlemen. It’s so horrible that even at his age, a rebound is all but guaranteed. Bouncing back against lefties alone will improve his overall offensive output, but moving from cozy AT&T Park Park to the New Stadium will help as well. I’m not saying Winn will revert to his ~.350 wOBA ways of ‘07-’08, but matching Melky Cabrera’s .331 wOBA from a year ago isn’t out of the question. He did have 22.3% line drive rate in 2009, his highest in at least eight years, so Winn’s bat hasn’t gone totally limp.

    The one area of Winn’s game that doesn’t need to improve is his defense. He’s been well-above average in both corners over the last few years, and Jeff Zimmerman’s age-adjusted UZR projections peg him as a +2 defender in left and +9 in right. The Yanks could optimize their defensive alignment by sticking Winn in right and sliding Nick Swisher over to left (where he projects for +1 UZR), but for now let’s assume Winn’s staying in left. Baseball Prospectus’ EqBRR metric rates him as well-above average on the bases, but if you’re into raw stolen base totals, then you’ll be pleased by Winn’s 56 steals and 88.9% (!!!) success rate over the last three years. Gardner’s fast, crazy fast even, but he was too hesitant in late-inning stolen base situations at times last year. Given his experience, Winn should absolutely be the new guy for that job, and he should be fantastic at it.

    So let’s round it all up. We’ve got Winn as a .331 wOBA hitter next year (essentially replacing the Melkman), a +2 UZR defender in left, and let’s say +2.4 runs on the bases (half of his 2009 total). Assuming 400 plate appearances, Winn would be just a tad over a two win player in 2010, but let’s call it an even two. For all intents and purposes, that’s league average. Despite his struggles last season, Winn was worth just under two wins, so we’re not out of the realm of reality here. A two win player for $2M is a bargain, and even if the aging process is harsh or the NL-AL switch is tougher than expected and knocks Winn down to a one win player, the Yanks are still paying him about two-thirds of his market value. The Yankees should expect the bare minimum from Winn, but chances are they’ll be rewarded with more.

    He’s certainly not a sexy name and he won’t be as productive as Damon, but the Yankees didn’t just take a match to $2M bucks. Remember, he’s not replacing Damon; Curtis Granderson is. Winn is essentially filling Melky’s spot (for $1.1M less). He’s a useful player and perfectly qualified for what the Yankees are asking him to do. Oh sure, there’s always a chance Winn will be just awful and is DFA bait by May, but I’d be shocked if he ends up being that bad. It’s a very easy move to back out of, and the Yanks did well to improve two of their roster’s biggest weaknesses (defense and baserunning) with Winn. And he’s going to bat ninth for cryin’ out loud, with this lineup they could let the pitcher bat and be a top five offense.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    The Yankees are hiring Kevin Towers (finally), wow, one hell of a front office, imagine it will only be for a year or two but he will bring a lot to the organization.
  • Bathgate66
    Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    so Damon is a goner.

    wonder if theres any chance of the Red Sox re signing him ?
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  • xavier mcdaniel
    xavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,435
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    so Damon is a goner.

    wonder if theres any chance of the Red Sox re signing him ?

    No. The Red Sox seem to be placing a higher value on highly rated defensive players as the signings of Mike Cameron and Adrian Beltre indicate.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    Baseball Prospectus PECOTA has the Yanks finishing 3rd in the AL East and missing the playoffs with awful years from Pettitte and Mo. They have the Rays winning the AL East.

    They also have the A's beating the Mariners for the AL West so take it with a grain of salt.
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Baseball Prospectus PECOTA has the Yanks finishing 3rd in the AL East and missing the playoffs with awful years from Pettitte and Mo. They have the Rays winning the AL East.

    They also have the A's beating the Mariners for the AL West so take it with a grain of salt.



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  • Cliffy6745
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    With Spring Training around the, lets take a look at some huge hits from 2009...

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7111793

    More to come...
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    With Spring Training around the, lets take a look at some huge hits from 2009...

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7111793

    More to come...



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  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    hey cliffy they have a nice season inreview on page 4
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    hey cliffy they have a nice season inreview on page 4

    Thanks, i will check it out.

    Here are a couple more, these two have to go together.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7032615

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7033215
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    hey cliffy they have a nice season inreview on page 4

    Thanks, i will check it out.

    Here are a couple more, these two have to go together.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7032615

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7033215


    im posting them in the phillies thread :mrgreen:
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    One more....best game I have ever been to.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=7065153