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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Starfall wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    First off it’s Tea Party not teabaggers (1). Can you tell me what is so wrong with what the Tea Party is doing? In one sentence you say it’s okay to disagree, but them you put people down for disagreeing(2). An then you go and quote Nancy P. who is full of shit and self serving with that astroturf comment(3). The million and a half people that showed up for the March in Washington on 9/12 were not sponsored by anyone, they all paid there own way there,there own lodging, there own food(4). You need to do some research about the Tea Party before you just start quoting politicians that don’t give two cents about the average American. (5). You need to open your eyes and see that 99% of the people in Washington, democrats and republicans alike are the ones that are corporate sponsored.(6)

    Sorry, but you're quite wrong in several instances:

    1. I reserve the term Tea Party for the event in Boston that helped pave the way for the American Revolutionary War...not to mention there's even infighting among the various groups as to who exactly owns the term "Tea Party". Besides, the term "teabagger" was their own creation. ;)
    2. Let's see.. how about shouting down elected representatives, disrupting town hall meetings, even going so far as to taunt and insult a disabled woman who wanted to speak on health care? Propagating outright lies like "death panels" and putting out images of Dachau at rallies? Yeah, that's productive. :roll:
    3. Nancy P had nothing to do with "astroturf". The term "astroturf" refers to fake grassroots movements. Fake groups like FreedomWorks who...
    4.... organized and help promote the so called 9/12 "Tax Revolt" march on DC. And BTW, if that march were as spontaneous as you claim it was, then it wouldn't have needed ClusterFOX News's own staffer to actively promote and egg on the crowd. Furthermore, that million person attendance you claim? Oh yeah, total fabrication.
    5. As you can see above, I did my own research, including such prominent left wing sites like the National Review and Politico. :lol: Really easy to refute bloviated and ridiculous assertions with a 30 second search on Google nowadays. Try it sometime. ;)
    6. I'd probably quibble with your 99% number, but I'll give you that - there's too much corporate influence in politics nowadays, and unless that's dealt with, we'll always be in an uphill battle to save our democracy.

    nice post. remind me to not get on your bad side lol...

    I was going to say the same thing. BTW would anything be any different had the Republicans won the Presidential election and Congress than what we have now?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    g under p wrote:
    BTW would anything be any different had the Republicans won the Presidential election and Congress than what we have now? Peace
    i don't think so g under p.

    at the end of the day, parties and government aren't the problem. the real problem is that the voting public doesn't hold them accountable.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Of course there are differences, but they are not fundamental. Nobody should have any illusions. The United States has essentially a one-party system and the ruling party is the business party.
    - Noam Chomsky

    http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20081010.htm
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Starfall....1. I reserve the term Tea Party for the event in Boston that helped pave the way for the American Revolutionary War...

    The Tea Party then and now had the same agenda . . . so YOU reserve the right . . . so what’s the point?
    Teabagger was not our own creation......placing one’s scrotum on a person’s face / eyes / mouth is not the agenda for the Tea Party...I am sure you could agree.....fact is it’s a slang term used to perpetuate the smearing of the Tea Party Patriots. Would you use the “n word” because you heard someone on tv say it and therefore it must be okay? The term “teabagger” is just as insulting and demeaning to members of the Tea Party movement.
    Starfall....2. Let's see.. how about shouting down elected representatives, disrupting town hall meetings, even going so far as to taunt and insult a disabled woman who wanted to speak on health care? Propagating outright lies like "death panels" and putting out images of Dachau at rallies? Yeah, that's productive.
    When people are angry and no one is listening they raise there voice to be heard...the politicians are not used to America finally paying attention and asking real questions.....they thought they could feed us the usual lies they feed the public, then on a normal day we would usually walk away like the sheep they want us to be.....But now we are calling them out as to what they are (left and right) liars...we are finally going to hold them accountable....death panels was the wrong term for most ..not PC enough....
    It wasn't very productive for union members (SEIU) to beat up a man just for giving out Don't Tread On Me items?.....or some other liberal to bite of the finger of a Tea Party Member was it? Was IT?


    Starfall....3. Nancy P had nothing to do with "astroturf". The term "astroturf" refers to fake grassroots movements. Fake groups like FreedomWorks who...

    She was referring to the Tea Party when she made her statement NOT Freedomworks

    4.... organized and help promote the so called 9/12 "Tax Revolt" march on DC. And BTW, if that march were as spontaneous as you claim it was, then it wouldn't have needed ClusterFOX News's own staffer to actively promote and egg on the crowd. Furthermore, that million person attendance you claim? Oh yeah, total fabrication.

    We didn’t need Fox to promote this March....they were the only ones brave enough to cover the NEWS extensively.....
    so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy....... fiscal responsibility, free markets and Constitutionally limited government........it was also convenient for Obama to leave town during the demonstration but as soon as it was over he flew right back into Washington....
    Did he ever recognize the fact that it even happened?

    5. As you can see above, I did my own research, including such prominent left wing sites like the National Review and Politico. Really easy to refute bloviated and ridiculous assertions with a 30 second search on Google nowadays. Try it sometime.

    What’s the point for every site you can find for your point I can find one to discredit you and vice versa

    6. I'd probably quibble with your 99% number, but I'll give you that - there's too much corporate influence in politics nowadays, and unless that's dealt with, we'll always be in an uphill battle to save our democracy.


    So we do agree here.....and the only movement I know that is doing anything at ALL is the Tea Party....you know of any other?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    BTW would anything be any different had the Republicans won the Presidential election and Congress than what we have now? Peace
    i don't think so g under p.

    at the end of the day, parties and government aren't the problem. the real problem is that the voting public doesn't hold them accountable.
    maybe true, but how can we?




    we essentially have a one party system in the united states, your quote was right on. we have a business party, essentially a fascist state. as voters we can't cahnge the system, can't hold them acocuntable.


    significant change comes from the people, not with ballots, but with 10 thousand fists in the air, with mass protest, with general strikes. we need to remind them who runs this sosciety, and when it gets bad enough show them we are not willing to play anymore. ultimately the people do have the power, not through voting but through our ability to shut this society down.


    so i agree, completely. we neeed to hold them acocuntable.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Commy wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    BTW would anything be any different had the Republicans won the Presidential election and Congress than what we have now? Peace
    i don't think so g under p.

    at the end of the day, parties and government aren't the problem. the real problem is that the voting public doesn't hold them accountable.
    maybe true, but how can we?




    we essentially have a one party system in the united states, your quote was right on. we have a business party, essentially a fascist state. as voters we can't cahnge the system, can't hold them acocuntable.


    significant change comes from the people, not with ballots, but with 10 thousand fists in the air, with mass protest, with general strikes. we need to remind them who runs this sosciety, and when it gets bad enough show them we are not willing to play anymore. ultimately the people do have the power, not through voting but through our ability to shut this society down.


    so i agree, completely. we neeed to hold them acocuntable.


    i hate to be cliche'd but that should be the post of the year ;)

    :thumbup:
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i don't think so g under p.

    at the end of the day, parties and government aren't the problem. the real problem is that the voting public doesn't hold them accountable.
    maybe true, but how can we?




    we essentially have a one party system in the united states, your quote was right on. we have a business party, essentially a fascist state. as voters we can't cahnge the system, can't hold them acocuntable.


    significant change comes from the people, not with ballots, but with 10 thousand fists in the air, with mass protest, with general strikes. we need to remind them who runs this sosciety, and when it gets bad enough show them we are not willing to play anymore. ultimately the people do have the power, not through voting but through our ability to shut this society down.


    so i agree, completely. we neeed to hold them acocuntable.


    i hate to be cliche'd but that should be the post of the year ;)

    :thumbup:
    right on commy. you nailed it.

    the system is set up to make us think we can change things through elected officials and voting and such. all that is just an illusion of freedom.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    right on commy. you nailed it.

    the system is set up to make us think we can change things through elected officials and voting and such. all that is just an illusion of freedom.



    like a box we check every 4 years makes us think we are important, changing things.



    trading a militant capilitalist for a militant capitalist is not a choice.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i am fairly certain that there were no 1.5 million people there on 9/12...i have seen no source to say estimates were that high. that is like saying a billion showed up at the million man march when we all know there was no million people there...
    Apples and oranges sweetie....I was there
    no its not apples and oranges. my question was do you have a reputable source?? as usual you did not answer me. i was just saying it is easy to inflate numbers for dramatic effect which is what fox did with splicing footage from multiple events together a few months ago...

    so i am to believe you counted 1.5 million people...ok...

    i could not even estimate what 70,000 looks like, which is about what it was when i saw U2, let alone 1.5 million...
    so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    aerial wrote:
    [so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    i thought they were there to protest health care....make up your mind please. there is no official count because it must not have been a significant enough turnout. maybe your bravest network of all fox has some numbers on this?? it was no 1.5 million though. g under p was there and he said it was nowhere near that...for some reason i find him to be a more credible source than you.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    [so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    i thought they were there to protest health care....make up your mind please. there is no official count because it must not have been a significant enough turnout. maybe your bravest network of all fox has some numbers on this?? it was no 1.5 million though. g under p was there and he said it was nowhere near that...for some reason i find him to be a more credible source than you.
    :roll:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    [so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    i thought they were there to protest health care....make up your mind please. there is no official count because it must not have been a significant enough turnout. maybe your bravest network of all fox has some numbers on this?? it was no 1.5 million though. g under p was there and he said it was nowhere near that...for some reason i find him to be a more credible source than you.
    :roll:
    wow, you really got me there. care to answer my post?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    [so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    i thought they were there to protest health care....make up your mind please. there is no official count because it must not have been a significant enough turnout. maybe your bravest network of all fox has some numbers on this?? it was no 1.5 million though. g under p was there and he said it was nowhere near that...for some reason i find him to be a more credible source than you.
    :roll:
    wow, you really got me there. care to answer my post?[/quote]

    I'll add something to this later I have to take my daughter to her swimteam pratice right now.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    just curious.....what does g under p stand for?
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    [so I just went to research the count...because honestly I have not researched it since March...don’t you think it funny that there still is no official count? Funny they can get a count on all other rally's......each web site contradicts the other...What is important is that it was a very large and significant crowd there to ask Washington for less involvement in their lives and the economy
    i thought they were there to protest health care....make up your mind please. there is no official count because it must not have been a significant enough turnout. maybe your bravest network of all fox has some numbers on this?? it was no 1.5 million though. g under p was there and he said it was nowhere near that...for some reason i find him to be a more credible source than you.
    :roll:
    wow, you really got me there. care to answer my post?[/quote]


    aerial I don't know how many times you've been to DC for any marches or any other events here on the Mall. I've been to all sorts of events on the Mall from protest marches, million man marches, Aids marches, Aids Rides events to all sorts of Peace Marches (Israel/Palestine) etc. All with varying crowd sizes, enthusiasm and energy. I've attended them with friends, some foes and many with my daughter till she stopped because of pain in her feet. It became harder to carry her over the years but she's a trooper though. :D

    So I've been on a few including the Tea Party March on 9/12 and I have to say I was surprised they were as many people as I saw. I walked along with them on the march just to experience what the opposition to this administration had to say and how they were going to carry themselves. On some of my other protest marches I wondered about this very thing so I took the opportunity to make sure to be there.

    I must admit they were fired up with enthusiasm from all over the country but the crowd level you've suggested seems way out of line from what I saw. The crowd level you speak of is on the levels of The Obama Inauguration . Grant you I wasn't there I watched from Florida but my sister was there and happened to be walking down Constitution Avenue. She got called over to a Rolls Royce and guess who rolls down the window Aretha Franklyn not long after she finished singing. In the end here it really doesn't matter to me what the hell the crowd size was, I was there, you were there and you and your Tea Party voiced what you wanted. I'm just glad we both are given the opportunity to protest in peace I just hope those voices are being heard by those in power. Oh btw I've already protested Obama's aggression in the war in Afghanistan, war under any administration is still war and the consequences that come with it.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    mb262200 wrote:
    just curious.....what does g under p stand for?

    grace_under_pressure.gif

    Taken from our AMT's *Ultra Ego's* Thread
    I've been asked this question a many many times and I've used the same as a moderator on Michael Franti's music website. Some think it's a sexual thing but far from it. :D:lol::D
    Well mine is not too difficult either. Mine g under p (Grace Under Pressure) comes from a term I use in life and in the work that I do. Working in the medical field with a life at times in my hands being calm, cool and graceful is best to get the job done and done well. My first live concert for the band RUSH was the
    Grace Under Pressure world tour. I've followed the band since 1979 and missed just one tour since GUP. My daughter, mother and boat has the name Grace, an all in the family thing.

    Avatar @ the moment: the Grace Under Pressure album cover
    In the past: Michael Franti Yell Fire album cover, Rise Against, Power To The Peaceful etc
    I'll change it with my moods

    Peace


    BTW what does yours stand for???
    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    g under p wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    just curious.....what does g under p stand for?

    grace_under_pressure.gif

    Taken from our AMT's *Ultra Ego's* Thread
    I've been asked this question a many many times and I've used the same as a moderator on Michael Franti's music website. Some think it's a sexual thing but far from it. :D:lol::D
    Well mine is not too difficult either. Mine g under p (Grace Under Pressure) comes from a term I use in life and in the work that I do. Working in the medical field with a life at times in my hands being calm, cool and graceful is best to get the job done and done well. My first live concert for the band RUSH was the
    Grace Under Pressure world tour. I've followed the band since 1979 and missed just one tour since GUP. My daughter, mother and boat has the name Grace, an all in the family thing.

    My initials and a bunch of numbers the forum threw in there when I signed up.
    Avatar @ the moment: the Grace Under Pressure album cover
    In the past: Michael Franti Yell Fire album cover, Rise Against, Power To The Peaceful etc
    I'll change it with my moods

    Peace


    BTW what does yours stand for???
    Peace
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    g under p wrote:::: Grant you I wasn't there I watched from Florida but my sister was there and happened to be walking down Constitution Avenue. She got called over to a Rolls Royce and guess who rolls down the window Aretha Franklyn not long after she finished singing. In the end here it really doesn't matter to me what the hell the crowd size was, I was there, you were there and you and your Tea Party voiced what you wanted. I'm just glad we both are given the opportunity to protest in peace I just hope those voices are being heard by those in power. Oh btw I've already protested Obama's aggression in the war in Afghanistan, war under any administration is still war and the consequences that come with it.
    :thumbup:

    Wow I would have loved to meet Aretha! It's fun whe we can agree...Peace
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    mb262200 wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    just curious.....what does g under p stand for?

    grace_under_pressure.gif

    Taken from our AMT's *Ultra Ego's* Thread
    I've been asked this question a many many times and I've used the same as a moderator on Michael Franti's music website. Some think it's a sexual thing but far from it. :D:lol::D
    Well mine is not too difficult either. Mine g under p (Grace Under Pressure) comes from a term I use in life and in the work that I do. Working in the medical field with a life at times in my hands being calm, cool and graceful is best to get the job done and done well. My first live concert for the band RUSH was the
    Grace Under Pressure world tour. I've followed the band since 1979 and missed just one tour since GUP. My daughter, mother and boat has the name Grace, an all in the family thing.

    My initials and a bunch of numbers the forum threw in there when I signed up.
    Avatar @ the moment: the Grace Under Pressure album cover
    In the past: Michael Franti Yell Fire album cover, Rise Against, Power To The Peaceful etc
    I'll change it with my moods

    Peace


    BTW what does yours stand for???
    Peace

    peace


    ok i was wondering what kind of reply this was but I get it now that I found what you had to say.
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    brandon10 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Probably get banned for all the F-Bombs but fuck it.....bunch of fucking wack jobs on here any way. By the way, how many of your so called miracle democrats have quit or retired now.....kinda like there running for there lives isn't it. I would say it should tell you something but most the fucking people on here wouldn't see it anyway....too busy blaming Bush while our president destroys all the real values of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    what exactly are the real values of the united states of america??



    Help me please? I'm just a stupid liberal. Please tell me what the real values of the U.S.A. are? And exactly how is our president destroying them?? Maybe you can change my ways.

    Well it's been nearly a week and a bunch more pages to this thread. But still no answers to this question??? Does that surprise anyone?

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