Why is there no outrage here??

Shawshank
Shawshank Posts: 1,018
edited December 2009 in A Moving Train
I know of no one in favor of this idiotic health care legislation that is being passed, I mean no one on the left or the right. Yet our government is going into overdrive trying to rush this through and get it passed as soon as possible, completely ignoring their constituents. It's pretty obvious that the biggest benefactor in all of this will be the huge insurance companies. Why is there no outrage that the Democrats are pushing this through? Can you imagine the uproar if this had been a Republican move, and the accusations of them doing this to benefit the insurance industry?

Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Shawshank wrote:
    I know of no one in favor of this idiotic health care legislation that is being passed, I mean no one on the left or the right. Yet our government is going into overdrive trying to rush this through and get it passed as soon as possible, completely ignoring their constituents. It's pretty obvious that the biggest benefactor in all of this will be the huge insurance companies. Why is there no outrage that the Democrats are pushing this through? Can you imagine the uproar if this had been a Republican move, and the accusations of them doing this to benefit the insurance industry?

    Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?

    this rush you speak of...I've not seen it...in fact, I see on party saying no no no no no no....and no...

    is this the best bill ever...? not sure...time will tell...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    welcome to the obamanation of our Country, I'm pissed.......shit a 1:00am vote ? for what ?


    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    well ... there are several viewpoints on here:

    1. the right seem united to be against the bill and they have been expressing outrage from the get-go
    2. the left have also been very skeptical of the bill and have posted threads about it
    3. the moderates who voted for obama have for the most part given him the benefit of the doubt and are prepared to wait and see how it plays out
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Well, as for "ignoring constituents", as I recall Obama on the presidential trail talked quite a bit about the need for health care reform. The "constituents" voted him in, and should then be getting by and large what they wanted. Others didn't vote for him, but were in the minority.

    That any bill must be watered down in insane partisan filibuster/senate sessions is just how you're set up I suppose. And the tone and temperature has been quite frankly surreal to watch from abroad. Death panels? Obama = Hitler for wanting health care reform? *shakes head*

    As for what the bill ended up as, I understand that it's a dirty compromise that reduces companies' options in turning people away for preexisting conditions, but that the privates get to keep running it. I also heard talk of a public option of sorts coming into play in 2015 or something.

    As it looks from far away, that's just about what Obama could get through since he has to have some republicans on board to avoid the filibuster. That he got anything at all through counts in his favour I'd say.

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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    polaris_x wrote:
    well ... there are several viewpoints on here:

    1. the right seem united to be against the bill and they have been expressing outrage from the get-go
    2. the left have also been very skeptical of the bill and have posted threads about it
    3. the moderates who voted for obama have for the most part given him the benefit of the doubt and are prepared to wait and see how it plays out

    Spot on. I guess that's what I don't understand, if both the right and left are even slightly standing together on this, why would they still be so adamant about pushing it through?
  • EddieLedBetter
    EddieLedBetter Posts: 360
    I'm told I have a pretty good insurance through my company. Over the past 3 years my company has paid well over 20 grand in premiums. I never go to the doctor. I had one $11,000 surgery last month and my insurance paid less than 30%. Insuance companies are a joke. Insurance is a joke. They are pretty much like the mafia was 80 years ago... "you pay us money and we'll protect your business, you dont pay us money and you're in trouble".

    2010 watch it go to fire!
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Shawshank wrote:
    Spot on. I guess that's what I don't understand, if both the right and left are even slightly standing together on this, why would they still be so adamant about pushing it through?

    should be fairly obvious why ...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Because they, ( Reid,Pelosi,Dodd, ect. ) think they know what's best, when in fact they don't and the majority of americans do not want this bill to pass. The democrats are going to loose a lot of seats come next November yet they don't seem to care or think that they will. Every study shows that this is going to raise premiums,and raise taxes.
    Not to mention all of the strong arming and bribes that the democrats have been doing. That in it self is sickening to me,and not to mention this whole damn thing is un-constituional.

    Can anybody name ONE ? JUST ONE, domestic government program thats not a complete cluster fuck ? As far as I know there are'nt any. So why does anybody in their right mind think that this is going to be any different ?
  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    I am outraged



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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Because they, ( Reid,Pelosi,Dodd, ect. ) think they know what's best, when in fact they don't and the majority of americans do not want this bill to pass. The democrats are going to loose a lot of seats come next November yet they don't seem to care or think that they will. Every study shows that this is going to raise premiums,and raise taxes.
    Not to mention all of the strong arming and bribes that the democrats have been doing. That in it self is sickening to me,and not to mention this whole damn thing is un-constituional.

    Can anybody name ONE ? JUST ONE, domestic government program thats not a complete cluster fuck ? As far as I know there are'nt any. So why does anybody in their right mind think that this is going to be any different ?

    well, you should be happy about this bill...since is sucks and the dems will lose power in 2010...our Saviors, the Repubs, will be back in the driver seat...they will save the day...and we won't have to be worried about being bankrupt in 10 years...or sooner...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Because they, ( Reid,Pelosi,Dodd, ect. ) think they know what's best, when in fact they don't and the majority of americans do not want this bill to pass. The democrats are going to loose a lot of seats come next November yet they don't seem to care or think that they will. Every study shows that this is going to raise premiums,and raise taxes.
    Not to mention all of the strong arming and bribes that the democrats have been doing. That in it self is sickening to me,and not to mention this whole damn thing is un-constituional.

    Can anybody name ONE ? JUST ONE, domestic government program thats not a complete cluster fuck ? As far as I know there are'nt any. So why does anybody in their right mind think that this is going to be any different ?

    HA HA HA HA !!!!! I can't think of any ,well not the one's I have delt with.
    I got 2 littering tickets in less then 3 years once (flicking a cig out my truck window) first one was $250 and
    the second one was $3500....here's alittle advice for ya all..NEVER tell the judge that a federal law is bullshit,
    they get pretty pissed.

    Godfather.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited December 2009
    inmytree wrote:
    well, you should be happy about this bill...since is sucks and the dems will lose power in 2010...our Saviors, the Repubs, will be back in the driver seat...they will save the day...and we won't have to be worried about being bankrupt in 10 years...or sooner...


    Why would I be happy about higher premiums and higher taxes ? I just want to see some fiscal responsibility and common sense coming from the people we elected. It doesn't really matter to me which party they belong to.
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    polaris_x wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    Spot on. I guess that's what I don't understand, if both the right and left are even slightly standing together on this, why would they still be so adamant about pushing it through?

    should be fairly obvious why ...

    Yeah, I know why. I just follow the $$$$$$.

    inmytree wrote:
    well, you should be happy about this bill...since is sucks and the dems will lose power in 2010...our Saviors, the Repubs, will be back in the driver seat...they will save the day...and we won't have to be worried about being bankrupt in 10 years...or sooner...

    You're right, they will lose their power in 2010, and they don't seem to be a bit worried about it either. Unfortunately, the Republicans are just as corrupt, if not more so in some regards. I don't know, this country just seems to be approaching a tipping point.
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Pelosi and the rest of her ilk should be forced to accept this crap they are trying to force down the American people's throats as their own health insurance as well.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    HA HA HA HA !!!!! I can't think of any ,well not the one's I have delt with.
    I got 2 littering tickets in less then 3 years once (flicking a cig out my truck window) first one was $250 and
    the second one was $3500....here's alittle advice for ya all..NEVER tell the judge that a federal law is bullshit,
    they get pretty pissed.

    Godfather.



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  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    You asked "why is there no outrage HERE"? HERE being the operative word. Probably 90% of the people on NonMT are hardcore liberals that believe Obama can do no wrong. HOPE and CHANGE.... HOPE we can CHANGE America into a socialists country. YES WE CAN! Kill Capitalism and private sectors. How's all that hope and change working for ya?
  • johninjax
    johninjax Posts: 1
    Obama wants something to point to for his "legacy". This is all about control of people and taking away our freedoms. Too many people are ok with the notion of someone else paying for their benefits. Where was the transparency that was promised, all we got were closed door meetings. And what about all the "sweetheart" deals that were made to pay off senators to go along with this like Nebraska got? This all stinks. Obama and Rohm are nothing but Chicago thugs, bullying people to get their way. :x
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,066
    sorry to impose on the anti-obama wank fest, but you all know you can get your daily outrage on fox news, right? there are plenty of outraged folks on there.

    for the record there are plenty of liberals who are angry and feel like they were used to get the man elected and then tossed aside once in office. i have felt like that before on a few occasions.

    my outrage lies not so much with obama, but with how 2 senators can derail and dictate what the other 98 of them vote on.

    also, for the record, obama is a centrist, so how can you guys be here bashing him for being liberal? i am a liberal, and obama is not one of us. when moveon.org is complaining about you, you are not a liberal.

    i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility". :lol:
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility".

    What ? You mean you don't want our elected officials to take care of themselves ? You would rather they just spend our tax dollars and not listen to what their constituents expect from them ? And you call your self a liberal ? :roll:
  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    sorry to impose on the anti-obama wank fest, but you all know you can get your daily outrage on fox news, right? there are plenty of outraged folks on there.

    for the record there are plenty of liberals who are angry and feel like they were used to get the man elected and then tossed aside once in office. i have felt like that before on a few occasions.

    my outrage lies not so much with obama, but with how 2 senators can derail and dictate what the other 98 of them vote on.

    also, for the record, obama is a centrist, so how can you guys be here bashing him for being liberal? i am a liberal, and obama is not one of us. when moveon.org is complaining about you, you are not a liberal.

    i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility". :lol:

    Exactly. I'm liberal but independent politically and Obama is not very liberal. I'm in the middle on this reform. I don't like everything that this bill includes, but the fact that there are major changes happening is a good thing. It means reform is taking shape. You can't go from the bottom rung of health care to the top with one big change, these things take time. I for one am patient and willing to see what becomes of this.
    NERDS!

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