sorry to impose on the anti-obama wank fest, but you all know you can get your daily outrage on fox news, right? there are plenty of outraged folks on there.
for the record there are plenty of liberals who are angry and feel like they were used to get the man elected and then tossed aside once in office. i have felt like that before on a few occasions.
my outrage lies not so much with obama, but with how 2 senators can derail and dictate what the other 98 of them vote on.
also, for the record, obama is a centrist, so how can you guys be here bashing him for being liberal? i am a liberal, and obama is not one of us. when moveon.org is complaining about you, you are not a liberal.
i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility".
I guess I should have prefaced my original post by saying that I wasn't directing this at the President at all. So I don't know how we got onto that tangent, because the last time I checked he wasn't in Congress, and even though the Prez may think he has some pull there, those fools are mainly going to do whatever they want.
With that, I totally agree with you. I'm pissed at the few senators that seem to be showing insane control over the thoughts and actions of everyone else. That is what I meant when I asked where is the outrage. How can people stand for this? I totally respect the differences of opinion between Liberals and Conservatives, those differences are what make our country great. However, when you have both groups pissed off at you and you STILL move ahead, then to me, that exposes the severity of the corruption within our government.
I do believe that some sort of reform is needed, but it's a pretty tricky balancing act. You can't just tac on another trillion dollars of debt, when we are already so far in the hole. I don't care what program it is they want to implement, whether its health care, free homes, college tuition or whatever it may be. If they say, hey we're going to give you free tuition to any school and the program is going to cost $4 trillion, then they had better have cut $4 Trillion from somewhere in our budget.
triumphant angel - I never heard that story about Nugent before, but I hope it is true. He is such a scumbag, it doesn't surprise me at all. Do you know where I could verify that?
He has the rage, but he doesn't have the war record. At 18, he was called up to serve in Vietnam. "In 1977 you gave an interview to High Times [the cannabis user's journal of record] where you claimed you defecated in your clothes to avoid the draft."
("I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up.")
"I never shit my pants to get out of the draft," says Nugent, good-naturedly.
"You also told them you took crystal meth [methamphetamine, the highly destabilising drug sometimes described as poor man's crack] before the medical - as a result of which, and I quote: 'I got this big juicy 4F.'"
"Unbelievable. Meth," he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. "Yes, that's my drug of choice. You've got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants."
"But you did dodge the draft." "I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College."
"You said then that you wanted 'to teach the stupid bastards in the military a lesson'. I'd have thought you'd have loved the army. Guns. Travel. Danger." "Back then, I didn't even understand what World War II was."
"So basically," - I admit that I have, unaccountably, started to speak Nugent - "you didn't want to get your Michigan ass blown off in Vietnam." "Correct. I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam."
"I know you do a lot of charity work for wounded veterans. Has it occurred to you that someone else may have died in Saigon because you didn't go?"
"Absolutely."
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
triumphant angel - I never heard that story about Nugent before, but I hope it is true. He is such a scumbag, it doesn't surprise me at all. Do you know where I could verify that?
He has the rage, but he doesn't have the war record. At 18, he was called up to serve in Vietnam. "In 1977 you gave an interview to High Times [the cannabis user's journal of record] where you claimed you defecated in your clothes to avoid the draft."
("I got 30 days' notice of the physical," Nugent told them. "I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up.")
"I never shit my pants to get out of the draft," says Nugent, good-naturedly.
"You also told them you took crystal meth [methamphetamine, the highly destabilising drug sometimes described as poor man's crack] before the medical - as a result of which, and I quote: 'I got this big juicy 4F.'"
"Unbelievable. Meth," he replies, in a tone of deep sarcasm. "Yes, that's my drug of choice. You've got to realise that these interviewers would arrive with glazed eyes and I would make stories up. I never did crystal meth. And I never pooped my pants."
"But you did dodge the draft." "I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College."
"You said then that you wanted 'to teach the stupid bastards in the military a lesson'. I'd have thought you'd have loved the army. Guns. Travel. Danger." "Back then, I didn't even understand what World War II was."
"So basically," - I admit that I have, unaccountably, started to speak Nugent - "you didn't want to get your Michigan ass blown off in Vietnam." "Correct. I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam."
"I know you do a lot of charity work for wounded veterans. Has it occurred to you that someone else may have died in Saigon because you didn't go?"
"Absolutely."
further evidence that nugent is a douchebag hypocrate....definitely presidential material :roll:
"i don't want to get my ass blown off in vietnam so i will let others die in my stead..."
fucking chicken hawk coward!!
Hey nuge, go hunt some food and leave the political talk to the adults in the room...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I know of no one in favor of this idiotic health care legislation that is being passed, I mean no one on the left or the right. Yet our government is going into overdrive trying to rush this through and get it passed as soon as possible, completely ignoring their constituents. It's pretty obvious that the biggest benefactor in all of this will be the huge insurance companies. Why is there no outrage that the Democrats are pushing this through? Can you imagine the uproar if this had been a Republican move, and the accusations of them doing this to benefit the insurance industry?
Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?
I am outraged. This is just one of many cases in which Obama claims to NOT be sleeping with big business when it couldn't be clearer that he is.
So yes, I am outraged. But mostly with the American voters. Take ten minutes to actually research the candidates next go round. Fucking lazy, ignorant, self-absorbed motherfuckers. Obama has done exactly what I expected him to do - not much. And certainly not much good.
Hmmm..how did I know this? Because I didn't spend my time listening to talking heads. I did a little research and found out who Obama really is. He's a crook and a liar - the standard politician.
I know of no one in favor of this idiotic health care legislation that is being passed, I mean no one on the left or the right. Yet our government is going into overdrive trying to rush this through and get it passed as soon as possible, completely ignoring their constituents. It's pretty obvious that the biggest benefactor in all of this will be the huge insurance companies. Why is there no outrage that the Democrats are pushing this through? Can you imagine the uproar if this had been a Republican move, and the accusations of them doing this to benefit the insurance industry?
Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?
I am outraged. This is just one of many cases in which Obama claims to NOT be sleeping with big business when it couldn't be clearer that he is.
So yes, I am outraged. But mostly with the American voters. Take ten minutes to actually research the candidates next go round. Fucking lazy, ignorant, self-absorbed motherfuckers. Obama has done exactly what I expected him to do - not much. And certainly not much good.
Hmmm..how did I know this? Because I didn't spend my time listening to talking heads. I did a little research and found out who Obama really is. He's a crook and a liar - the standard politician.
Can anybody name ONE ? JUST ONE, domestic government program thats not a complete cluster fuck ? As far as I know there are'nt any. So why does anybody in their right mind think that this is going to be any different ?
I guess some of these are considered gov't offices and not technically "programs", but off the top of my head, these seem to not be complete cluster fucks:
Student Financial Aid
National Weather Service
Small Business Administration
ATF
National Park System
Coast Guard
Copyright Office
FAA
Smithsonian Institute
I was thinking more along these lines..
There are many examples of government-run programs. Social security was established in 1935. This was to be completely voluntary. Participants would only have to pay 1 percent of their salary on the first $1,400 of their income. The money put into the program would be deductible from their income tax each year. The money would go into an independent trust fund and never into the general operating fund.
At one time there was so much money in the fund that Congress couldn't stand it. They transferred the money to the general operating fund and spent it. Now the employees and their employers are required to pay 15.3 percent of the employees salary into the system. They now say the fund is about to go broke. Social security isn't welfare, it is a retirement insurance run by the federal government.
The Medicare and Medicaid program was started in 1965. The President and Congress know that there are billions of dollars wasted from mismanagement and fraud each year and have said that if the proposed health care bill would increase the national debt one penny they would cut it out. What is wrong with now? I guess the small amounts of millions and billions are so small they aren't worth fooling with.
The Department of Energy was established in 1977 for one purpose — to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. We import more oil now than we did then. The Department has grown to 16,000 full-time employees with as many as 100,000 contract employees with an annual bubget of $24 billion. There have been hundreds of billions of dollars wasted by the department over the last 31 years.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 and Freddie Mac was established in 1970. They are both broke. There are many more programs that need to be reformed or eliminated before we start another program that will increase the national debt. When you look at the track record on government-run programs I can't believe anyone would want more of them.
We need less federal government control and more local and state control. The people of this state can't vote out people like Nancy Pelosi but we can those of our own state if they overstep their bounds. The people of the states send our federal taxes to Washington, they send back a small portion to the states and we are suppose to thank them for this hand out. We need to send less to Washington, keep more in the states and take care of our own needs.
I for one sure don't want the federal government controlling my health care.
You asked "why is there no outrage HERE"? HERE being the operative word. Probably 90% of the people on NonMT are hardcore liberals that believe Obama can do no wrong. HOPE and CHANGE.... HOPE we can CHANGE America into a socialists country. YES WE CAN! Kill Capitalism and private sectors. How's all that hope and change working for ya?
there are plenty of things to not like about Obama but the things you are railing against make absolute no sense - he is nowhere close to being a socialist - if anything he's boosting capitalism and the private sector ...
seriously, partisanship is killing democracy - if people don't pay attention and just listen to the garbage coming out of some PR firm - nothing is ever gonna change ...
BOOSTING CAPITALISM? WHAT FREAKIN PLANET ARE YOU ON?
xcellent list. I would add the National Guard to that list (why do conservatives hate our troops?!?!). I personally love my post office (College Park, FL). They are very fast and always helpful. I guess other people do not have good experiences with their post offices. I would argue that our National Park service is the envy of the world. Don't forget that a lot of the facilities at National Parks were built by the CCC. That was part of FDR's New Deal.
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:wtf: since when did conservatives start hating the troops ? However I do agree with you about our national parks.
You asked "why is there no outrage HERE"? HERE being the operative word. Probably 90% of the people on NonMT are hardcore liberals that believe Obama can do no wrong. HOPE and CHANGE.... HOPE we can CHANGE America into a socialists country. YES WE CAN! Kill Capitalism and private sectors. How's all that hope and change working for ya?
there are plenty of things to not like about Obama but the things you are railing against make absolute no sense - he is nowhere close to being a socialist - if anything he's boosting capitalism and the private sector ...
seriously, partisanship is killing democracy - if people don't pay attention and just listen to the garbage coming out of some PR firm - nothing is ever gonna change ...
BOOSTING CAPITALISM? WHAT FREAKIN PLANET ARE YOU ON?
Is this what you call boosting capitalism? Scarey how so many people are so out of touch with what is really going on in America right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Values of Health Care Stocks Increase Fearlessly as Public Option Is Dead
Tuesday, 22 December 2009
Wall Street Celebrates Senate's "Significantly Watered Down" Health Care Bill
Dear Friends,
Wall Street is celebrating "Health Care Reform." According to an industry insider report yesterday by MarketWatch (Gibson and Britt) health care stocks rallied as the bill moved through the Senate, particularly since there is no public option in the bill to compete or compare with insurance company rate-making.
"Health care investors find themselves having confronted their greatest fear, and, while there will be legislation, it will be significantly watered down ..." said Mike O'Rourke, chief market strategist at BTIG LLC. As a result, shares of Aetna gained 4.7%, while Cigna rose 3.9%. United Health and Wellpoint "rallied to 52-week highs."
Once the bill becomes law, insurance companies will gain at least 26 million new customers and as much as $50 billion in new annual revenue from private-pay and from government subsidies as people will be required by law to purchase private insurance. While certain expenses are capped in the bill, it appears that premium costs are not.
The Senate's move prompted Gregory Nersessian of Credit Suisse to raise his price targets [predicting greater strength of stock performance] on seven insurers: Aetna, Cigna, Amerigroup Corp., Humana Inc., Molina Healthcare Inc., UnitedHealth Group Inc. and Wellcare Health Plans Inc.
" ... the [bill] is a positive first step" Nersessian said in a note to clients. "The heavy lifting will come when Congress is forced to slow the rate of medical cost growth through more aggressive payment restrictions and utilization controls down the road," he said - meaning that this particular industry insider is predicting limitations on benefits.
Marketwatch also wrote that none of the new standards on how much the industry must spend on medical expenses will "impose great hardship on any insurers."
I personally love my post office (College Park, FL). They are very fast and always helpful. I guess other people do not have good experiences with their post offices. I would argue that our National Park service is the envy of the world. Don't forget that a lot of the facilities at National Parks were built by the CCC. That was part of FDR's New Deal.
I don't know what will happen to it in the future, but the post office is one institution that works well for me. I have shipped out and received over 1000 eBay items over the past two years. Not one single item has ever been lost or damaged! It's a great service.
Unfortunately, most of our National Parks are now "U.N. World Heritage Sites." We don't have much jurisdiction over them any longer.
rage is contagious and if we are not careful it can turn on us but I gotta tell ya, I called bullshit on obama
while he was running, when he said he wanted to change America that should have been a clue..the only
thing that needs change is local and federal government we need leader's that remember,understand and
work for the people they were elected to serve.
TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
Godfather.
ted nugent? oh please. I know he thinks that everyone is just dying to be like him, but that's not the case.
definition of hypocrite - ted nugent
he talks about war being the answer. he says ''whenever i hear anyone blurt out the obscenity that war is not the answer, you're looking at a retarded individual"
gotta love that comment from the same individual that dodged the draft by pissing and shitting in his pants for at least ten days before his draft board physical, and not washing at all so he could get a deferment.
biggest. hypocrite. ever.
to each his/her own cupcake.
you must be a obama supporter,well thats all good for you.
enjoy.
Godfather.
interesting you think i have to be an obama supporter to think that nugent is a hypocrite? you are incorrect.
now, do you have any comment on what i actually wrote about the hypocrisy of nugent, or do you wanna take another lame shot?
I personally love my post office (College Park, FL). They are very fast and always helpful. I guess other people do not have good experiences with their post offices. I would argue that our National Park service is the envy of the world. Don't forget that a lot of the facilities at National Parks were built by the CCC. That was part of FDR's New Deal.
I don't know what will happen to it in the future, but the post office is one institution that works well for me. I have shipped out and received over 1000 eBay items over the past two years. Not one single item has ever been lost or damaged! It's a great service.
Unfortunately, most of our National Parks are now "U.N. World Heritage Sites." We don't have much jurisdiction over them any longer.
i completely agree. i always laugh and mention the post office whenever people say things like "the government can't do anything right!"
i mean to me its pretty cool that i put a stamp on something, drop it in a blue container and three days later it get to whatever business or whatever person it was addressed to....the logistics and success rate of that system is amazing to me.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if the dems don't get the votes they need they buy them....what a bunch of sell outs.
thats never happened ever in the history of politics :roll:
What happened to CHANGE?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if the dems don't get the votes they need they buy them....what a bunch of sell outs.
thats never happened ever in the history of politics :roll:
What happened to CHANGE?
i dunno...what happened to change??
oh yeah, its a lot harder to change things when you have the entire gop that will vote against everything that has been proposed so far, even when some of their constituents will benefit from it. partisonship is a bitch, no?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if the dems don't get the votes they need they buy them....what a bunch of sell outs.
thats never happened ever in the history of politics :roll:
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if the dems don't get the votes they need they buy them....what a bunch of sell outs.
thats never happened ever in the history of politics :roll:
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
Or are you just saying that it's happened in the past so now it's ok like you always do.
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
...
Can you do be a favor and source this?
Because 3 Billion Dollars is a lot of fucking money... I want to know what they (the bribers) got for that much money.
Thanx.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
...
Can you do be a favor and source this?
Because 3 Billion Dollars is a lot of fucking money... I want to know what they (the bribers) got for that much money.
Thanx.
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
...
Can you do be a favor and source this?
Because 3 Billion Dollars is a lot of fucking money... I want to know what they (the bribers) got for that much money.
Thanx.
...
This?
"The NRSC’s comments appear to be referring to $100 million in Medicaid money that would be directed toward her state. "
Isn't that what Representatives are supposed to be doing... bring in money to the state they Represent? And is that any different from Sam Nunn or Ed Royce voting on military programs that bring money that translates to jobs and economic boost to their states or districts?
...
Where is the full story... the one that says who paid who for this? Was it a hospital? A Doctor? A University? Who paid for her vote?
Thanx.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The thing that pisses me off the most is that if the dems don't get the votes they need they buy them....what a bunch of sell outs.
thats never happened ever in the history of politics :roll:
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
im guessing you have no sarcasm detector...are you going to call that pork?? last i checked federal money funds medicaid and medicare and representatives wheel and deal to secure that funding. and i do not believe your figure of $300 BILLION dollars going to one person...give me a legitimate source and i will change my mind.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Or are you just saying that it's happened in the past so now it's ok like you always do.
i don't know, why don't you quote me a fox news source like YOU always do. by the way, your figure has an extra 0 in it in this post. make up your fucking mind...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility".
What ? You mean you don't want our elected officials to take care of themselves ? You would rather they just spend our tax dollars and not listen to what their constituents expect from them ? And you call your self a liberal ? :roll:
every poll i have seen says that americans want health insurance reform and greater than 60% want a public option or single payor. i am for single payor so in my opinion this senate bill goes nowhere near far enough. maybe we can get the house bill passed which has a public option. by the way, i do not get your reply. if it was sarcastic it makes no sense, and you trying to play off your comment about "physical responsibility" makes you look silly.
why don't you offer a suggestion on how to fix this other than your party line of "NO NO NO WAHHH!!!!"
Comments
I guess I should have prefaced my original post by saying that I wasn't directing this at the President at all. So I don't know how we got onto that tangent, because the last time I checked he wasn't in Congress, and even though the Prez may think he has some pull there, those fools are mainly going to do whatever they want.
With that, I totally agree with you. I'm pissed at the few senators that seem to be showing insane control over the thoughts and actions of everyone else. That is what I meant when I asked where is the outrage. How can people stand for this? I totally respect the differences of opinion between Liberals and Conservatives, those differences are what make our country great. However, when you have both groups pissed off at you and you STILL move ahead, then to me, that exposes the severity of the corruption within our government.
I do believe that some sort of reform is needed, but it's a pretty tricky balancing act. You can't just tac on another trillion dollars of debt, when we are already so far in the hole. I don't care what program it is they want to implement, whether its health care, free homes, college tuition or whatever it may be. If they say, hey we're going to give you free tuition to any school and the program is going to cost $4 trillion, then they had better have cut $4 Trillion from somewhere in our budget.
He revised his original claims a bit, but here's an exerpt from http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 79556.html:
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
further evidence that nugent is a douchebag hypocrate....definitely presidential material :roll:
"i don't want to get my ass blown off in vietnam so i will let others die in my stead..."
fucking chicken hawk coward!!
Hey nuge, go hunt some food and leave the political talk to the adults in the room...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
So yes, I am outraged. But mostly with the American voters. Take ten minutes to actually research the candidates next go round. Fucking lazy, ignorant, self-absorbed motherfuckers. Obama has done exactly what I expected him to do - not much. And certainly not much good.
Hmmm..how did I know this? Because I didn't spend my time listening to talking heads. I did a little research and found out who Obama really is. He's a crook and a liar - the standard politician.
look at the big brain on you...
I was thinking more along these lines..
There are many examples of government-run programs. Social security was established in 1935. This was to be completely voluntary. Participants would only have to pay 1 percent of their salary on the first $1,400 of their income. The money put into the program would be deductible from their income tax each year. The money would go into an independent trust fund and never into the general operating fund.
At one time there was so much money in the fund that Congress couldn't stand it. They transferred the money to the general operating fund and spent it. Now the employees and their employers are required to pay 15.3 percent of the employees salary into the system. They now say the fund is about to go broke. Social security isn't welfare, it is a retirement insurance run by the federal government.
The Medicare and Medicaid program was started in 1965. The President and Congress know that there are billions of dollars wasted from mismanagement and fraud each year and have said that if the proposed health care bill would increase the national debt one penny they would cut it out. What is wrong with now? I guess the small amounts of millions and billions are so small they aren't worth fooling with.
The Department of Energy was established in 1977 for one purpose — to lessen our dependence on foreign oil. We import more oil now than we did then. The Department has grown to 16,000 full-time employees with as many as 100,000 contract employees with an annual bubget of $24 billion. There have been hundreds of billions of dollars wasted by the department over the last 31 years.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 and Freddie Mac was established in 1970. They are both broke. There are many more programs that need to be reformed or eliminated before we start another program that will increase the national debt. When you look at the track record on government-run programs I can't believe anyone would want more of them.
We need less federal government control and more local and state control. The people of this state can't vote out people like Nancy Pelosi but we can those of our own state if they overstep their bounds. The people of the states send our federal taxes to Washington, they send back a small portion to the states and we are suppose to thank them for this hand out. We need to send less to Washington, keep more in the states and take care of our own needs.
I for one sure don't want the federal government controlling my health care.
n
Glen Sanders lives in Heflin.
BOOSTING CAPITALISM? WHAT FREAKIN PLANET ARE YOU ON?
Is this what you call boosting capitalism? Scarey how so many people are so out of touch with what is really going on in America right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Tuesday, 22 December 2009
Wall Street Celebrates Senate's "Significantly Watered Down" Health Care Bill
Dear Friends,
Wall Street is celebrating "Health Care Reform." According to an industry insider report yesterday by MarketWatch (Gibson and Britt) health care stocks rallied as the bill moved through the Senate, particularly since there is no public option in the bill to compete or compare with insurance company rate-making.
"Health care investors find themselves having confronted their greatest fear, and, while there will be legislation, it will be significantly watered down ..." said Mike O'Rourke, chief market strategist at BTIG LLC. As a result, shares of Aetna gained 4.7%, while Cigna rose 3.9%. United Health and Wellpoint "rallied to 52-week highs."
Once the bill becomes law, insurance companies will gain at least 26 million new customers and as much as $50 billion in new annual revenue from private-pay and from government subsidies as people will be required by law to purchase private insurance. While certain expenses are capped in the bill, it appears that premium costs are not.
The Senate's move prompted Gregory Nersessian of Credit Suisse to raise his price targets [predicting greater strength of stock performance] on seven insurers: Aetna, Cigna, Amerigroup Corp., Humana Inc., Molina Healthcare Inc., UnitedHealth Group Inc. and Wellcare Health Plans Inc.
" ... the [bill] is a positive first step" Nersessian said in a note to clients. "The heavy lifting will come when Congress is forced to slow the rate of medical cost growth through more aggressive payment restrictions and utilization controls down the road," he said - meaning that this particular industry insider is predicting limitations on benefits.
Marketwatch also wrote that none of the new standards on how much the industry must spend on medical expenses will "impose great hardship on any insurers."
I don't know what will happen to it in the future, but the post office is one institution that works well for me. I have shipped out and received over 1000 eBay items over the past two years. Not one single item has ever been lost or damaged! It's a great service.
Unfortunately, most of our National Parks are now "U.N. World Heritage Sites." We don't have much jurisdiction over them any longer.
now, do you have any comment on what i actually wrote about the hypocrisy of nugent, or do you wanna take another lame shot?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i completely agree. i always laugh and mention the post office whenever people say things like "the government can't do anything right!"
i mean to me its pretty cool that i put a stamp on something, drop it in a blue container and three days later it get to whatever business or whatever person it was addressed to....the logistics and success rate of that system is amazing to me.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Godfather.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12 ... -overhaul/
oh yeah, its a lot harder to change things when you have the entire gop that will vote against everything that has been proposed so far, even when some of their constituents will benefit from it. partisonship is a bitch, no?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Are you seriously going to tell me that you do not believe that votes have been bought. Landrieu gave her vote for 300,000,000. You can't be that out of touch with what's going on here. But then again, you don't listen to Fox so maybe you wouldn't know about it. Also, that 3000,000,000 is from mine and yours tax dollars.
Mmm Mmm Mmm
Or are you just saying that it's happened in the past so now it's ok like you always do.
Can you do be a favor and source this?
Because 3 Billion Dollars is a lot of fucking money... I want to know what they (the bribers) got for that much money.
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
It was only $100million . But still
http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/ ... t=1million.
This?
"The NRSC’s comments appear to be referring to $100 million in Medicaid money that would be directed toward her state. "
Isn't that what Representatives are supposed to be doing... bring in money to the state they Represent? And is that any different from Sam Nunn or Ed Royce voting on military programs that bring money that translates to jobs and economic boost to their states or districts?
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Where is the full story... the one that says who paid who for this? Was it a hospital? A Doctor? A University? Who paid for her vote?
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://www.nypostonline.com/p/news/opin ... XCk9AT3h4L
im guessing you have no sarcasm detector...are you going to call that pork?? last i checked federal money funds medicaid and medicare and representatives wheel and deal to secure that funding. and i do not believe your figure of $300 BILLION dollars going to one person...give me a legitimate source and i will change my mind.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i don't know, why don't you quote me a fox news source like YOU always do. by the way, your figure has an extra 0 in it in this post. make up your fucking mind...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Again... is this going to the Senator... or the state of Louisiana?
Hail, Hail!!!
what about this poll then.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... are_reform