Why is there no outrage here??
Shawshank
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I know of no one in favor of this idiotic health care legislation that is being passed, I mean no one on the left or the right. Yet our government is going into overdrive trying to rush this through and get it passed as soon as possible, completely ignoring their constituents. It's pretty obvious that the biggest benefactor in all of this will be the huge insurance companies. Why is there no outrage that the Democrats are pushing this through? Can you imagine the uproar if this had been a Republican move, and the accusations of them doing this to benefit the insurance industry?
Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?
Maybe I'm reading the highlights of this bill wrong, but does anyone know of anything good that comes out of it?
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this rush you speak of...I've not seen it...in fact, I see on party saying no no no no no no....and no...
is this the best bill ever...? not sure...time will tell...
Godfather.
1. the right seem united to be against the bill and they have been expressing outrage from the get-go
2. the left have also been very skeptical of the bill and have posted threads about it
3. the moderates who voted for obama have for the most part given him the benefit of the doubt and are prepared to wait and see how it plays out
That any bill must be watered down in insane partisan filibuster/senate sessions is just how you're set up I suppose. And the tone and temperature has been quite frankly surreal to watch from abroad. Death panels? Obama = Hitler for wanting health care reform? *shakes head*
As for what the bill ended up as, I understand that it's a dirty compromise that reduces companies' options in turning people away for preexisting conditions, but that the privates get to keep running it. I also heard talk of a public option of sorts coming into play in 2015 or something.
As it looks from far away, that's just about what Obama could get through since he has to have some republicans on board to avoid the filibuster. That he got anything at all through counts in his favour I'd say.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Spot on. I guess that's what I don't understand, if both the right and left are even slightly standing together on this, why would they still be so adamant about pushing it through?
2010 watch it go to fire!
should be fairly obvious why ...
Not to mention all of the strong arming and bribes that the democrats have been doing. That in it self is sickening to me,and not to mention this whole damn thing is un-constituional.
Can anybody name ONE ? JUST ONE, domestic government program thats not a complete cluster fuck ? As far as I know there are'nt any. So why does anybody in their right mind think that this is going to be any different ?
This country is doomed, we will be completely bankrupt in 10 years if not sooner.
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well, you should be happy about this bill...since is sucks and the dems will lose power in 2010...our Saviors, the Repubs, will be back in the driver seat...they will save the day...and we won't have to be worried about being bankrupt in 10 years...or sooner...
HA HA HA HA !!!!! I can't think of any ,well not the one's I have delt with.
I got 2 littering tickets in less then 3 years once (flicking a cig out my truck window) first one was $250 and
the second one was $3500....here's alittle advice for ya all..NEVER tell the judge that a federal law is bullshit,
they get pretty pissed.
Godfather.
Why would I be happy about higher premiums and higher taxes ? I just want to see some fiscal responsibility and common sense coming from the people we elected. It doesn't really matter to me which party they belong to.
Yeah, I know why. I just follow the $$$$$$.
You're right, they will lose their power in 2010, and they don't seem to be a bit worried about it either. Unfortunately, the Republicans are just as corrupt, if not more so in some regards. I don't know, this country just seems to be approaching a tipping point.
I got 2 littering tickets in less then 3 years once (flicking a cig out my truck window) first one was $250 and
the second one was $3500....here's alittle advice for ya all..NEVER tell the judge that a federal law is bullshit,
they get pretty pissed.
Godfather.
I am so glad that you did, I always wondering why smokers were allowed to do this. The second fine seems awfully high, if is was for a cigarette but I would definitely appeal that under the constitutionality of the fine. seems like a punishment that does not fit the crime
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
for the record there are plenty of liberals who are angry and feel like they were used to get the man elected and then tossed aside once in office. i have felt like that before on a few occasions.
my outrage lies not so much with obama, but with how 2 senators can derail and dictate what the other 98 of them vote on.
also, for the record, obama is a centrist, so how can you guys be here bashing him for being liberal? i am a liberal, and obama is not one of us. when moveon.org is complaining about you, you are not a liberal.
i think it speaks volumes of how informed our people are when somebody in this thread referred to "fiscal responsibility" as "physical responsibility".
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What ? You mean you don't want our elected officials to take care of themselves ? You would rather they just spend our tax dollars and not listen to what their constituents expect from them ? And you call your self a liberal ? :roll:
Exactly. I'm liberal but independent politically and Obama is not very liberal. I'm in the middle on this reform. I don't like everything that this bill includes, but the fact that there are major changes happening is a good thing. It means reform is taking shape. You can't go from the bottom rung of health care to the top with one big change, these things take time. I for one am patient and willing to see what becomes of this.
every poll i have seen says that americans want health insurance reform and greater than 60% want a public option or single payor. i am for single payor so in my opinion this senate bill goes nowhere near far enough. maybe we can get the house bill passed which has a public option. by the way, i do not get your reply. if it was sarcastic it makes no sense, and you trying to play off your comment about "physical responsibility" makes you look silly.
why don't you offer a suggestion on how to fix this other than your party line of "NO NO NO WAHHH!!!!"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I guess some of these are considered gov't offices and not technically "programs", but off the top of my head, these seem to not be complete cluster fucks:
Student Financial Aid
National Weather Service
Small Business Administration
ATF
National Park System
Coast Guard
Copyright Office
FAA
Smithsonian Institute
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
while he was running, when he said he wanted to change America that should have been a clue..the only
thing that needs change is local and federal government we need leader's that remember,understand and
work for the people they were elected to serve.
TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT !!!!
Godfather.
ted nugent? oh please. I know he thinks that everyone is just dying to be like him, but that's not the case.
definition of hypocrite - ted nugent
he talks about war being the answer. he says ''whenever i hear anyone blurt out the obscenity that war is not the answer, you're looking at a retarded individual"
gotta love that comment from the same individual that dodged the draft by pissing and shitting in his pants for at least ten days before his draft board physical, and not washing at all so he could get a deferment.
biggest. hypocrite. ever.
there are plenty of things to not like about Obama but the things you are railing against make absolute no sense - he is nowhere close to being a socialist - if anything he's boosting capitalism and the private sector ...
seriously, partisanship is killing democracy - if people don't pay attention and just listen to the garbage coming out of some PR firm - nothing is ever gonna change ...
you must be a obama supporter,well thats all good for you.
enjoy.
Godfather.
To each their own, but he's right about the hypocrite part... I kinda like Nugent and think that he's entertaining, but he is the definition of a chicken hawk.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
prfctlfts - he named 9 programs. You challenged him to name one. Care to comment? BTW - please tell me you are an ACR and not an alumnus.
triumphant angel - I never heard that story about Nugent before, but I hope it is true. He is such a scumbag, it doesn't surprise me at all. Do you know where I could verify that?
you guy's are killin me !
enjoy each other's opinion's.
Godfather.