No Grateful Dead comparisons!
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Get_Right wrote:
I was thinking an EV acoustic version of ripple
I would cry like a baby.....seriously......
"there is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and dark of night, and if you go, no one may follow, that path is for your steps alone."
One of the best lines ever written.
I have to go listen to this now.......
The one song I'm truly wishing I could have seen live though, is Shakedown Street. Imagine? How many of you got to see this song performed live? How amazing was it? I would dance my ass off!0 -
Come Back in Black wrote:Wow... everyone is all the sudden so righteous and against unfair stereotyping of other bands and their fans all the sudden on this forum. Thats new. I am looking forward to similar scathing posts when terms like "frat fucks", "cock rock", "jocks" and such come out. Because thats ok. But if you stereotype dead heads as some dirty chick with furry armpits and an old curtain for a shirt everyone gets real upset. Stereotyping is messed up when people use different stereotypes then you isn't it?
I think this response alone proves the entire point of everyone's rebuttal to the original post.
It is because of the passion that Deadheads have that you find an entire thread of angry responses to one silly stereotype. You don't find it in other threads because fans of other bands simply DO NOT have the same passion.
As I said before, the adoration of the Dead from Deadheads is unparalled. Pearl Jam fans come close, hence the actual comparison between the two bands that the original poster completely ignored.
When another band earns and/or demands the respect from their fans the way the Dead have, they too will have people react as others have in this thread!0 -
Pearl Jam and The Grateful Dead could not be more different.
They do not tour alike either. The Dead toured all the time... PJ not so much.Camden I '06, Camden II '06, Bonnaroo '08, Camden I '08, Camden II '08, Philly Spectrum II/III/IV '09, MSG I '10, MSG II '10, Made In America '12, Wrigley '13, Brooklyn II '13, Philly I '13, Philly II '13, ...0 -
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DischordVision wrote:The Grateful Dead were just a dope/LSD laced jam band that happened to form in a city(San Francisco) that accepted that sort of birth at the time.
Wow, I have a problem with that quote right there.....Turn this anger into
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who is this crazy poster (kid)? must be a kid, right? or maybe a republican? regardless, made me realize this kid skipped one too many a history class.
imo, i think its an honor that pj's fanbase is compared to the dead's. they happen to be two groups of my favorite folks....master of karate and friendship for everyone!0 -
Get_Right wrote:
I was thinking an EV acoustic version of ripple
also, i concur. gives me goosebumps just thinking about it....master of karate and friendship for everyone!0 -
DischordVision wrote:I think we all need, as PJ fans, attempt to lose or disassociate w/ the Grateful Dead comparisons that have been written & talked about over the past 5-6 years.
First off, the Grateful Dead are dead, have been since Jerry Garcia died in 1995. Second, we are not nor am I by any means burnt out druggie hippies trying to revive the 1960's & 70's on a daily basis. Third, the music is huge parallels apart from each other. The Grateful Dead were just a dope/LSD laced jam band that happened to form in a city(San Francisco) that accepted that sort of birth at the time. We however, are not druggies (I hope) & have more intelligence & intrigue than most fans of rock bands. Pearl Jam's soul & identity gives way to the freedom of punk rock & the all out integrity of 70's arena rock. Ok, so the Dead & PJ had a lot of music out in a short length of time at their peak & the Ten Club members/die hards know the songs like their short n' curlys, so what? Pearl Jam's still alive, always have been & we know they're not going anywhere anytime soon.
So what makes us survive? The band's topics such as politics, evolution & faith? you decide...not some critic who sees us & the band as new age jam heads...no thank you at all...
When I went to see PJ in 1995 Ed himself mentioned to the crowd at Red Rocks that the crowd/the show was like the Grateful Dead or something. That was cool thing for me personally since I was at a Grateful Dead show that previous Thursday. Flew out to Colorado that Saturday and saw PJ Sunday and Monday. So I think it's more like the legion of fans, the touring, the family feeling. But the crowd is so much more different. I do not think it is a bad comparsion. I kinda of like it. There are 2 of my favorite live acts.Let's Go Red Sox!0 -
Ridin The Wave wrote:I would cry like a baby.....seriously......
"there is a road, no simple highway, between the dawn and dark of night, and if you go, no one may follow, that path is for your steps alone."
One of the best lines ever written.
I have to go listen to this now.......
The one song I'm truly wishing I could have seen live though, is Shakedown Street. Imagine? How many of you got to see this song performed live? How amazing was it? I would dance my ass off!
I think my 2nd or 3rd show I went to was a Shakedown opener.
Now could you imagine if you would EV doing Stella Blue.... Now that's some serious tears pouring down my face!!!!!Let's Go Red Sox!0 -
momofglynn wrote:I think my 2nd or 3rd show I went to was a Shakedown opener.
Now could you imagine if you would EV doing Stella Blue.... Now that's some serious tears pouring down my face!!!!!
i saw the dead 132 times PJ 112 and i find similarities maybe not alot between the bands, but how i feel while i'm at the show and that is i feel ALIVE-i feel the same when i see Springsteen
and to hear our boy Ed sing stella would be ........ *speechless
and i would love Ed on China Doll and the whole band to bring it on One More Saturday Night !!
I went down to the mountain, I was drinking some wine,
Looked up in the heavens Lord I saw a mighty sign,
Writt'n fire across the heaven, plain as black and white;
Get prepared, there's gonna be a party tonight.
Uhuh, Hey! Saturday Night!
Yeh, uhuh one more Saturday night,
Hey Saturday night!
Everybody's dancin' down the local armory
With a basement full of dynamite and live artillery.
The temperature keeps risin', everybody gittin' high;
Come the rockin' stroke of midnite, the whole place gonna fly.
Uhuh, Hey! Saturday Night!
Yeh, uhuh one more Saturday night,
Hey Saturday night!
Turn on channel six, the President comes on the news,
Says, "I get no satisfaction, that's why I sing the blues."
His wife say "Don't get crazy, Lord, you know just what to do,
Crank up that old Victrola, put on them rockin' shoes."
Uhuh, Hey! Saturday Night!
Yeh, uhuh one more Saturday night,
Hey Saturday night!
Then God way up in heaven, for whatever it was worth,
Thought He'd have a big old party, thought He'd call it planet Earth.
Don't worry about tomorrow, Lord, you'll know it when it comes,
When the rock and roll music meets the risin' sun.“It’s the idea that people living close to nature tend to be noble. It’s seeing all those sunsets that does it. You can’t watch a sunset and then go off and set fire to your neighbor’s tepee. Living close to nature is wonderful for your mental health.”
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Ridin The Wave wrote:The one song I'm truly wishing I could have seen live though, is Shakedown Street. Imagine? How many of you got to see this song performed live? How amazing was it? I would dance my ass off!
Don't know that I ever got Shakedown as an opener. Scarlet Begonias --> Fire on the Mountain was by far the best moment of any Dead show for me."You're no help," he told the lime. This was unfair. It was only a lime; there was nothing special about it at all. It was doing the best it could.
http://www.last.fm/user/merkinball/
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imagine PJ darkstar...................... i cant even imagine.model, role model, roll some models in blood0
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"I don't think we should play another note until we thank the Grateful Dead for letting us use their stage. They left it for us. There were still joints left on it from Saturday. So, ah, we think it's only right that we play as long as they do."
Eddie Vedder-Soldier Field 7/11/95
My all time favorite bootleg.I'll ride the wave where it takes me.0 -
Stone Is God wrote:"I don't think we should play another note until we thank the Grateful Dead for letting us use their stage. They left it for us. There were still joints left on it from Saturday. So, ah, we think it's only right that we play as long as they do."
Eddie Vedder-Soldier Field 7/11/95
My all time favorite bootleg.
I love that part on the boot.0 -
Stone Is God wrote:"I don't think we should play another note until we thank the Grateful Dead for letting us use their stage. They left it for us. There were still joints left on it from Saturday. So, ah, we think it's only right that we play as long as they do."
Eddie Vedder-Soldier Field 7/11/95
My all time favorite bootleg.
sigh......just after Jerry's last show. I was at that last Dead show - and the 7/11 show to hear that quote above. Gives me chills to think about.....
Saw the Grateful Dead 76 times (86-95) - and Pearl Jam 24 times (91-present). I love them both.And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.......Nietzsche0 -
I saw this one a few times including MSG, now that was the only party that compares to a PJ show,,plain and simple."thru extensive negotiations we managed to get the curfew moved back..... we still don't have any time to fu&k around...."
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momofglynn wrote:I think my 2nd or 3rd show I went to was a Shakedown opener.
Now could you imagine if you would EV doing Stella Blue.... Now that's some serious tears pouring down my face!!!!!
I saw several shakedown openers, like release, it let you know you were in for a good show0 -
EdVedHed wrote:
Saw the Grateful Dead 76 times (86-95) - and Pearl Jam 24 times (91-present). I love them both.
Awesome
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5dolA9yuA
I'm so glad somebody recorded Jerry's last song performed live.
How I do miss Jerry.0 -
I saw the Grateful Dead 170 time from 1988-1995 and yes they are similar in some ways to PJ but let just say this. there will NEVER be another band like Grateful Dead EVER. Phish, Widespread Panic, whoever people want to compare them to. It's like Bill Grahm said about them,
"They aren't the best at what they do, they're the only ones that do what they do."
At no other concert would you every hear, country, blue grass, jazzy jams, pure rock and roll, ballads and an acapella tune all in one show. So to the original poster, I agree STOP the comparison with Pearl Jam and Grateful Dead, in fact stop the comparison with Grateful Dead and ANY other band, because there is NO comparison. I LIVE Pearl Jam but to compare the Grateful Dead to ANY band is like comparing apples to cannon balls.[img][/img]9/5/92, 11/20/93, 3/14,15/94, 9/16/95, 10/14,15/2000
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From Entertainment Weekly, May 12, 2006This bright, memorabilia-filled building isn't just Pearl Jam's home--it's also the center of the Jamily universe. Right off the warehouse's common room is the office of the Ten Club (or 10C), the band's unusually vibrant fan organization. 10C members enjoy all sorts of perks (like an exclusive Christmas single), and they get first crack at the best concert tickets; the result is a remarkably close connection between Pearl Jam and their most passionate fans. If that brings to mind a certain other fan-friendly band, well, that's not a coincidence. "We were studying the Grateful Dead model," says the band's longtime manager, Kelly Curtis. "We just went and hung out in their offices and looked at how they did things. It was so grassroots and so great." The club was mail-based and somewhat chaotic until 1998, when they hired Tim Bierman (an old friend of bassist Jeff Ament) to oversee the operation, transforming 10C into a Web-fueled powerhouse. While Curtis and Bierman will not disclose the number of current 10C members, they claim it is larger than it's ever been.
Pearl Jam fans obsessively collect show posters; they dissect set lists on the fan club's Internet Message Pit; they get together and sometimes even marry each other. Many have separate bank accounts set aside to support their touring habit, and some have time off for Pearl Jam shows written into their contracts at work. They amass scores of concert recordings (in 2000, Pearl Jam started releasing official "bootlegs" of almost all their shows). Most remarkably, the Jamily pays attention to the band's charitable causes. In an echo of the Grateful Dead's Rex Foundation, Pearl Jam operates the nonprofit Vitalogy Foundation, and members of the Jamily often set up fund- raisers to support the band's pet causes (like the Surfrider Foundation).
The faithful were out in force during a brief North American tour last fall. Outside the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia, 26-year-old Sarah Moskowitz was hanging out with her fellow 10C members, who had arranged a preshow parking-lot meet-up via the Message Pit. "I know it sounds crazy to love a band this much," she said. "It touches me." At the Vancouver show, a 44-year-old fan named Rob Bleetstein was wearing a Grateful Dead T-shirt. "I consider myself extremely fortunate that I can have another musical experience like this," said Bleetstein, who'd seen the Dead 264 times and was on his 77th Pearl Jam show. "Because I have a lot of Deadhead friends who can't find it anywhere else."
And while Pearl Jam may not sound like the Dead, their shows have a similar feel--the same intimacy, the same anything-can-happen vibe, the same curfew-challenging running time. "They're super- loose musicians, and they have a really joyous approach to the show," says Janet Weiss, the drummer for Sleater-Kinney, one of Pearl Jam's regular opening bands. "These guys want to have a good time, and they want to share it."
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