Federal employee found hanged...
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
cincybearcat wrote:
Yep, never been any anti-government quacks before fox news... :roll:
Let's all try to get that grip back on reality.
There are many anti-government quacks, but Fox tends to cater to the ones more likely to get violent and does its best to stir them up. Even at the height of anti-Bush sentiment, can you recall any remotely similar incidents where left wing quacks started killing people?
Anyway, at least now we know why Drifting disappeared... he must be on the run
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cincybearcat wrote:
Not solely. Mostly directed at the wacko that would do something like this. But sure, some aimed at people believing FOX news has the power to drive people to kill Federal employees. Thats' the same thinking that Tipper Gore used to put labels on albums...same thinking that gets video games and music blamed for kids doing sick things...
No, the things you describe are a result of the same thinking Fox news does... create an imaginary panic about how your family is in danger from rap/the feds and issue histrionic calls to arms to do something about it. Since the left likes committees, they hold a circus of a senate hearing and slap a meaningless feel good label on cd's and pat themselves on the back. Since the right likes guns and the revolution and tea parties, they start killing people.
In the 8 years of Bush/republican congress, how many politically motivated killings do you recall? I can't think of one. Since Obama took office 8 months ago, there have been three. There will be more. Fox and its allies are doing their damndest to stoke some very dangerous fires among dangerous people by demonizing everyone that is left of Pat Robertson.0 -
Everytime I turn on Fox News it's like I'm watching the "Two Minutes Hate." :twisted:Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0
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Michelle Bachman has pretty much helped this happen.. suggesting that a Census worker was Big Brother coming to take your guns and force you into a labour camp.
Sad as it is, it's people like the Michelle Bachmans, he Glenn Becks and the Rush Limbaughs who foster and encourage hate and fear of the government when it serves their purposes. Please, even Sarah freaking Palin has a lot of people convinced that he Government can decide if you're not worth keeping alive and the death panel will come get you and execute you in the street.
This is going to happen a lot more, I'm afraid.0 -
haha yeah but even orwell, genius as he was, could not have come up with the crap going on these days with the media...he still stands wrote:Everytime I turn on Fox News it's like I'm watching the "Two Minutes Hate." :twisted:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
i think we need to keep a running total of the casualties that are going to result from the blowhards you listed above. god knows the media isn't gonna do it.Jasunmark wrote:Michelle Bachman has pretty much helped this happen.. suggesting that a Census worker was Big Brother coming to take your guns and force you into a labour camp.
Sad as it is, it's people like the Michelle Bachmans, he Glenn Becks and the Rush Limbaughs who foster and encourage hate and fear of the government when it serves their purposes. Please, even Sarah freaking Palin has a lot of people convinced that he Government can decide if you're not worth keeping alive and the death panel will come get you and execute you in the street.
This is going to happen a lot more, I'm afraid."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Jasunmark wrote:Michelle Bachman has pretty much helped this happen.. suggesting that a Census worker was Big Brother coming to take your guns and force you into a labour camp.
Sad as it is, it's people like the Michelle Bachmans, he Glenn Becks and the Rush Limbaughs who foster and encourage hate and fear of the government when it serves their purposes. Please, even Sarah freaking Palin has a lot of people convinced that he Government can decide if you're not worth keeping alive and the death panel will come get you and execute you in the street.
This is going to happen a lot more, I'm afraid.
You get it from the other side too. Do you think Michael Moore is encouraging people to love the government?
The issue I see is that it comes off more hypocritical from when it comes from the left. In other words, at least the right generally wants to see smaller government and that's why they are always talking against it and trying to limit it.
The left criticizes the government on lots of issues, but on many other issues its answer is to let the government handle it. For example, The left will bitch and moan about privacy issues and big brother, yet in the next breath push for the government to take over health care and run everyone's lives.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
know1 wrote:
You get it from the other side too. Do you think Michael Moore is encouraging people to love the government?
The issue I see is that it comes off more hypocritical from when it comes from the left. In other words, at least the right generally wants to see smaller government and that's why they are always talking against it and trying to limit it.
The left criticizes the government on lots of issues, but on many other issues its answer is to let the government handle it. For example, The left will bitch and moan about privacy issues and big brother, yet in the next breath push for the government to take over health care and run everyone's lives.
You're right. the right NEVER argues for smaller government while at the same time asking the government to step in and regular our private sex lives or medical decisions to better reflect their personal values. They don't want smaller government. They just want the government to spend it's time and money teaching creationism, building 10 commandments monuments in courtrooms, outlawing porn and gay sex in one's bedroom, and other dramatic invasions of privacy.
It is not hypocritical, for either side. The right thinks government should regulate values and leave your bank alone, the left thinks the opposite. Neither is a complete contradiction, they're both perfectly valid and consistent positions.
The true difference is it comes off much more dangerous from the right. Michael Moore does not incite violence with his rhetoric. And even then, I don't recall him ever being anti-government... 3 of his movies are anti-corporations, not government (health care and auto industry, then gun control). Only Faherenheit 9/11 was remotely close and it wasn't anti-government so much as anti-Bush (and a bad movie). But the bottom line is nobody on the left killed anyone over their disdain for Dubya the last 8 years. Obama has been in office 9 months and the whole time the right has been skewering him with accusations of socialiam, nazism, racism, and even terrorism. The result? 3 people being murdered by whacko right wingers empowered by the outrage of people like Glen Beck. Tell me the last time a left-wing whacko killed anybody.Post edited by soulsinging on0 -
know1 wrote:You get it from the other side too. Do you think Michael Moore is encouraging people to love the government?
The the #$%^ are you on about? Michael Moore has never suggested that people should be afraid of Census takers. Michael Moore has never encouraged people to be afraid of Government workers. Michael Moore hasn't told people that the Government would be forcing their kids into labour and "Re-education camps." Nor has he told people not to take part in the Census. He also hasn't told people he wants people "Armed And Dangerous" against the Government. Michelle BAchman has done and said ALL those things.
Michelle Bachman has suggested that the Census is Big Brother coming for you and Sarah Palin has said that the Government will have a death panel that will decide that you're not "worth" keeping alive and execute you in the street. You can try to spin this any way but you and I both know you're making it up.The issue I see is that it comes off more hypocritical from when it comes from the left. In other words, at least the right generally wants to see smaller government and that's why they are always talking against it and trying to limit it.
Well, you'd like people to think that, anyway. If the right wanted "Smaller Government" why did government get bigger under George W Bush and why are they all sponsoring votes to decide if my marriage is valid or not? I don't remember being given the chance to vote on YOUR marriage. Was that before I moved to America?The left criticizes the government on lots of issues, but on many other issues its answer is to let the government handle it. For example, The left will bitch and moan about privacy issues and big brother, yet in the next breath push for the government to take over health care and run everyone's lives.
Yes. Because "Health Care" runs people's lives. Don't you wish they'd just close down the hospitals and kill all the doctors so we'd be free of that evil "health care?"
And for the record, allowing people access to a very low-level, bare-bones health care if they can't afford anything else isn't "Pushing" it on anyone. That's why it's called an "Option."
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soulsinging wrote:
You're right. the right NEVER argues for smaller government while at the same time asking the government to step in and regular our private sex lives or medical decisions to better reflect their personal values.
It is just as hypocritical for both. The true difference is it comes off much more dangerous from the right. Michael Moore does not incite violence with his rhetoric. And even then, I don't recall him ever being anti-government... 3 of his movies are anti-corporations, not government (health care and auto industry, then gun control). Only Faherenheit 9/11 was remotely close and it wasn't anti-government so much as anti-Bush (and a bad movie). But the bottom line is nobody on the left killed anyone over their disdain for Dubya the last 8 years. Obama has been in office 9 months and the whole time the right has been skewering him with accusations of socialiam, nazism, racism, and even terrorism. The result? 3 people being murdered by whacko right wingers empowered by the outrage of people like Glen Beck. Tell me the last time a left-wing whacko killed anybody.
I'm not a fan of either side so I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just saying that both sides rail against the government, but in my opinion it makes a lot less sense coming from the left.
As far as regulating private sex lives, I'm not really sure what you mean there. If you're talking about the government potentially passing a law to ban abortion, I don't really see that as government getting bigger. It's a law, not a government agency.
I'll agree with you about the right talking trash about Obama, but that hasn't been any worse than what Bush was getting so I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same which is why I just don't like the government in general.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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soulsinging wrote:You're right. the right NEVER argues for smaller government while at the same time asking the government to step in and regular our private sex lives or medical decisions to better reflect their personal values.
I seem to remember a few years back, Republicans were writing bills to intervene in the health care decisions of Terry Schaivo (who was brain dead) and her husband.Tell me the last time a left-wing whacko killed anybody.
I don't remember a left-wing group showing up to protests with assault rifles holding signs saying it was time to "water the tree of liberty with blood."
Saying that he left is just the same is just more right-wing bullshit like "Death Panels" or "Forcing health care on us" or "intelligent design."0 -
Jasunmark wrote:
The the #$%^ are you on about? Michael Moore has never suggested that people should be afraid of Census takers. Michael Moore has never encouraged people to be afraid of Government workers. Michael Moore hasn't told people that the Government would be forcing their kids into labour and "Re-education camps." Nor has he told people not to take part in the Census. He also hasn't told people he wants people "Armed And Dangerous" against the Government. Michelle BAchman has done and said ALL those things.
Michelle Bachman has suggested that the Census is Big Brother coming for you and Sarah Palin has said that the Government will have a death panel that will decide that you're not "worth" keeping alive and execute you in the street. You can try to spin this any way but you and I both know you're making it up.
Well, you'd like people to think that, anyway. If the right wanted "Smaller Government" why did government get bigger under George W Bush and why are they all sponsoring votes to decide if my marriage is valid or not? I don't remember being given the chance to vote on YOUR marriage. Was that before I moved to America?
Yes. Because "Health Care" runs people's lives. Don't you wish they'd just close down the hospitals and kill all the doctors so we'd be free of that evil "health care?"
And for the record, allowing people access to a very low-level, bare-bones health care if they can't afford anything else isn't "Pushing" it on anyone. That's why it's called an "Option."
Are you really that ill-informed on stuff?
Apparently I'm as ill-informed as you are. Perhaps it's just our personal bias's that taint our viewpoints.
Granted, I threw Michael Moore out there as a quick example and perhaps it was a poor one.
My point is basically that both sides rail against the government, but the left turns around and seems to call for the government to get bigger and have more control. I think it's pretty clear that if the government runs health care that the government is going to have more control over people's lives. It's pretty hard to argue against that. The fact that you took what I said and equated it with closing down hospitals and killing doctors probably speaks volumes as to where your opinions come from.
My only answer as to why the government became bigger under Bush is probably that he wasn't acting true to his political affiliation.
Did Sarah Palin really say "execute you in the street"? If she did, she's an idiot.
On the marriage issue I've been consistent. I don't want the government sanctioning or banning anyone's marriage.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
know1 wrote:I'm not a fan of either side so I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just saying that both sides rail against the government, but in my opinion it makes a lot less sense coming from the left.
As far as regulating private sex lives, I'm not really sure what you mean there. If you're talking about the government potentially passing a law to ban abortion, I don't really see that as government getting bigger. It's a law, not a government agency.
I'll agree with you about the right talking trash about Obama, but that hasn't been any worse than what Bush was getting so I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same which is why I just don't like the government in general.
And I'm saying that's absurd to claim it makes less sense from the left. How is is less sensible to say "i want the government to provide services i can take advantage of while staying out of my private life" than to say "i want the government to stay out of my bank account but they're welcome to come to my home and make sure i'm not having gay sex."
No, im not talking about abortion, i'm talking about abstinence-only sex ed, creationism, 10 commandments in court, anti-sodomy laws, porn bans, drug laws, miscegenation (sp?) laws, warrantless wiretaps of your phone, etc. All causes championed by the right while they scream about the government regulating our lives too much.
You are right that the talking trash about Obama is no different than what was said about Bush, but I notice you, like every other right-leaning person here, dodges the second part of that question. How many leftists went out and murdered people after being fired up by Michael Moore or Bill Maher? We've had 3 political killings this year alone since the right went into overdrive against Obama. Obama gets far more death threats than Bush ever did. There is more violence on the right, period. Talk is cheap and I couldn't care less what they say about Obama. What concerns me is that they're doing it in a way that incites violence to a degree that the left never has.0 -
Jasunmark wrote:
I seem to remember a few years back, Republicans were writing bills to intervene in the health care decisions of Terry Schaivo (who was brain dead) and her husband.
I'd forgotten about that one. Classic. Then: government needs to step in between this husband and wife to make her medical decisions for her. Now: government should have no say in your medical options! Define hypocrisy...0 -
soulsinging wrote:
And I'm saying that's absurd to claim it makes less sense from the left. How is is less sensible to say "i want the government to provide services i can take advantage of while staying out of my private life" than to say "i want the government to stay out of my bank account but they're welcome to come to my home and make sure i'm not having gay sex."
I don't know how the government can provide health care and stay out of anyone's private life.
Does the government come to anyone's house and makes sure they're not having gay sex? I wasn't aware that was happening.soulsinging wrote:No, im not talking about abortion, i'm talking about abstinence-only sex ed, creationism, 10 commandments in court, anti-sodomy laws, porn bans, drug laws, miscegenation (sp?) laws, warrantless wiretaps of your phone, etc. All causes championed by the right while they scream about the government regulating our lives too much.
I guess my only answer to that is that the "right" is not just a single person. It's a spectrum. Some on the right may be calling for those things and others might be calling for smaller government. I think the trap is that we pick and choose examples to paint the picture however we want it to be.
Personally, I'm against all of those things...but then again I don't consider myself truly on the right. I just want the government to be smaller.soulsinging wrote:You are right that the talking trash about Obama is no different than what was said about Bush, but I notice you, like every other right-leaning person here, dodges the second part of that question. How many leftists went out and murdered people after being fired up by Michael Moore or Bill Maher? We've had 3 political killings this year alone since the right went into overdrive against Obama. Obama gets far more death threats than Bush ever did. There is more violence on the right, period. Talk is cheap and I couldn't care less what they say about Obama. What concerns me is that they're doing it in a way that incites violence to a degree that the left never has.
I'm not informed enough to make the correlation between political killings and Obama's presidency or death threats. Are you sure there weren't any political killings during Bush's reign? How do you count the death threats, do you have a source for that.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0 -
know1 wrote:Granted, I threw Michael Moore out there as a quick example and perhaps it was a poor one.
Well then here's your chance. Can you come up with a left-wing politician who's suggested that the Census was Big Brother coming for us? can you come up with a left-wing politician who's said that the Government is lead by a Kenyan Terrorist, said that they want people "Armed And Dangerous" against the Government or that the government will force people to face "Death Panels?"I think it's pretty clear that if the government runs health care that the government is going to have more control over people's lives. It's pretty hard to argue against that.
But the Government won't be running health care, they'll have a publicly funded insurance program for people who can't afford a private one. How is that "running" health care?
And we're talking about a dead Government worker. When Census takers start ending up hanging from trees in Vermont or when the flower children start showing up with hand grenades to protests... I'll agree both sides are he same.0 -
Just saw an interview (on Bill O's own show) where someone stated that death threats to the President are up 400% since Obama has been in office.0
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know1 wrote:Does the government come to anyone's house and makes sure they're not having gay sex? I wasn't aware that was happening.
Actually... they are. Or.. they were until just recently.
In 1998, John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner were arrested for having gay sex in the privacy of Lawrence's home in Houston, Texas.
Republican Congressman Rick Santorum said that gay sex in the privacy of your own home should be illegal and that the men should be thrown in jail. He then said that "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."
Here's a link to the Wiki Page on the case.0 -
Jasunmark wrote:
Well then here's your chance. Can you come up with a left-wing politician who's suggested that the Census was Big Brother coming for us? can you come up with a left-wing politician who's said that the Government is lead by a Kenyan Terrorist, said that they want people "Armed And Dangerous" against the Government or that the government will force people to face "Death Panels?"
But the Government won't be running health care, they'll have a publicly funded insurance program for people who can't afford a private one. How is that "running" health care?
And we're talking about a dead Government worker. When Census takers start ending up hanging from trees in Vermont or when the flower children start showing up with hand grenades to protests... I'll agree both sides are he same.
Hmm...were those original people that you mentioned right-wing POLITICIANS? Or were they just talking heads from the media like Hannity and Rush are? Since I don't follow politics very closely, I can't come up with one without doing research and I don't care to.
Can you really equate that the direct reason this census taker was found hanging was a result of what some right-wing radio host said? To my knowledge, they haven't even classified this as murder yet.
I've probably been a bit off base with some of my comments so maybe I'll give it a shot once more to say what I really mean and then you can pick on that.
Here goes:
I have heard a lot of left-wing people complain about the government having too much involvement in their lives - particularly along the lines of privacy issues and that's where I make the connection to the census - and yet their solution to many of today's problems seems to be to call on the government to fix them. It seems to be a big contradiction to me.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.0
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