You da man, Bill

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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    pandora wrote:
    And did you know that we have just 5 countries left without a Rothschild controlled central bank-
    Iran, North Korea, Suda, Cuba & Libya.
    Wonder where the next war will be cause that is how they do it
    I don't believe any of this shit
    i did not know that. the whole axis of evil idea is getting a little clearer.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    cincybearcat wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_nkorea_analysis

    "Bill Clinton undertook the mission, a senior administration official said, only after the North assured the White House that the reporters would be freed and allowed to return home with the former president.

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to detail the back-channel negotiations, also said the north rejected Gore as a suitable emissary. The journalists' families, Gore and the White House then turned to Clinton. The official said President Barack Obama did not speak with Clinton about the mission.

    Daniel Sneider, associate director of research at Stanford University's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center, said the journalists' release followed weeks of quiet negotiations between the State Department and the North Korean mission to the United Nations.

    Clinton "didn't go to negotiate this, he went to reap the fruits of the negotiation," Sneider said."

    This makes complete sense. Still, does it take away from Clinton doing his part? If Clinton refused to go to North Korea, these ladies may still be held captive.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    keeponrockin wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_nkorea_analysis

    "Bill Clinton undertook the mission, a senior administration official said, only after the North assured the White House that the reporters would be freed and allowed to return home with the former president.

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to detail the back-channel negotiations, also said the north rejected Gore as a suitable emissary. The journalists' families, Gore and the White House then turned to Clinton. The official said President Barack Obama did not speak with Clinton about the mission.

    Daniel Sneider, associate director of research at Stanford University's Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center, said the journalists' release followed weeks of quiet negotiations between the State Department and the North Korean mission to the United Nations.

    Clinton "didn't go to negotiate this, he went to reap the fruits of the negotiation," Sneider said."

    This makes complete sense. Still, does it take away from Clinton doing his part? If Clinton refused to go to North Korea, these ladies may still be held captive.
    like i said in a prior post, they are free now, who cares how or why it happened. be glad they are not being used for bayonet practice or something. clinton got involved because NK said they would meet with him and the journalists families asked him to go. why should people on this board call him opportunistic for doing what was asked of him? bush, carter, or even palin most likely would have gone too if they had been asked by the families.
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  • catefrances
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    soulsinging wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held

    Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?


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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Gimme, I completly agree with you.

    But would Kim Jong Il really want a picture with Sarah Palin... I mean, then he looks like the sane one...
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    soulsinging wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held

    Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
    I did not read the thread, but do you really think he went there without this thing being predetermined? I dont think so. No way. He did not just walk in and demand their release. It was organized before he even set foot on the plane.
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    acoustic guy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held

    Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
    I did not read the thread, but do you really think he went there without this thing being predetermined? I dont think so. No way. He did not just walk in and demand their release. It was organized before he even set foot on the plane.
    I don't think anyone's denying that.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    keeponrockin wrote:
    acoustic guy wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held

    Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
    I did not read the thread, but do you really think he went there without this thing being predetermined? I dont think so. No way. He did not just walk in and demand their release. It was organized before he even set foot on the plane.
    I don't think anyone's denying that.
    haha yeah i think that was established on maybe page 2 of the thread?
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  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    gabers wrote:
    I'd take "Slick Willie" over Dipshit Dubya any day. Dubya couldn't negotiate his way out of a U turn. Way to go Bill. No matter how much you hate the guy, he was a gifted speaker and negotiator, and he didn't become a Rhodes Scholar using the good ol' boy system.


    I totally agree - well said.
    And, I can say without hesitation that during the 8 years of his presidency, this country and the majority of its citizens enjoyed prosperity that we have not seen since.
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  • ccucf1996
    ccucf1996 Posts: 14
    And now they are foreclosed on b/c of the loose housing laws he forced on freddy and fannie.

    I think Billy was sent their hoping they'd keep him too! That's a joke people, but those of you that think he had anything to do with it other than publicity, come on....
  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    And now they are foreclosed on b/c of the loose housing laws he forced on freddy and fannie.

    I think Billy was sent their hoping they'd keep him too! That's a joke people, but those of you that think he had anything to do with it other than publicity, come on....


    Excuse me, but dubbya was the one who through the gates open on all manner of deregulation. Don't try to pin his greed on Bill. :twisted:
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  • ccucf1996
    ccucf1996 Posts: 14
    weenie wrote:
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    And now they are foreclosed on b/c of the loose housing laws he forced on freddy and fannie.

    I think Billy was sent their hoping they'd keep him too! That's a joke people, but those of you that think he had anything to do with it other than publicity, come on....


    Excuse me, but dubbya was the one who through the gates open on all manner of deregulation. Don't try to pin his greed on Bill. :twisted:

    Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 under President Clinton. Look it up. Even Obama has blammed this for the recession.
  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    weenie wrote:
    ccucf1996 wrote:
    And now they are foreclosed on b/c of the loose housing laws he forced on freddy and fannie.

    I think Billy was sent their hoping they'd keep him too! That's a joke people, but those of you that think he had anything to do with it other than publicity, come on....


    Excuse me, but dubbya was the one who through the gates open on all manner of deregulation. Don't try to pin his greed on Bill. :twisted:

    Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 under President Clinton. Look it up. Even Obama has blammed this for the recession.


    If you think people who bought homes in 1999 - 2002 are the ones who are defaulting, you're dreaming. It's the folks who have balloon notes that hit the five year mark in late 2008 + 2009 who caused the meltdown; those who were able to get mortgages with the lessened oversight and control over the financial industry courtesy of one Dubya and his cronies in Congress. We had a Republican controlled Congress 2000 - 2007 so just who do you think wrote and voted in the bills being lobbyed by the banks and financial industry?

    Beyond that mess - when Clinton lied, nobody died.
    ~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
    Mohandas K. Gandhi

    ~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
    Henry David Thoreau
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    weenie wrote:

    If you think people who bought homes in 1999 - 2002 are the ones who are defaulting, you're dreaming. It's the folks who have balloon notes that hit the five year mark in late 2008 + 2009 who caused the meltdown; those who were able to get mortgages with the lessened oversight and control over the financial industry courtesy of one Dubya and his cronies in Congress. We had a Republican controlled Congress 2000 - 2007 so just who do you think wrote and voted in the bills being lobbyed by the banks and financial industry?

    Beyond that mess - when Clinton lied, nobody died.

    1) The people responsible for the mortgage mess is first and foremost the idiots that took loans that they couldn't afford. Secodnly, the idiots that gave out loans that they knew the people couldn't afford.

    2) Enough with rhyming bullshit, you sound like a 2 year old.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cincybearcat wrote:
    weenie wrote:

    If you think people who bought homes in 1999 - 2002 are the ones who are defaulting, you're dreaming. It's the folks who have balloon notes that hit the five year mark in late 2008 + 2009 who caused the meltdown; those who were able to get mortgages with the lessened oversight and control over the financial industry courtesy of one Dubya and his cronies in Congress. We had a Republican controlled Congress 2000 - 2007 so just who do you think wrote and voted in the bills being lobbyed by the banks and financial industry?

    Beyond that mess - when Clinton lied, nobody died.

    1) The people responsible for the mortgage mess is first and foremost the idiots that took loans that they couldn't afford. Secodnly, the idiots that gave out loans that they knew the people couldn't afford.

    I'd reverse that order, but otherwise, it's pretty true. Though deregulation is a problem.
  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    cincybearcat wrote:
    weenie wrote:

    If you think people who bought homes in 1999 - 2002 are the ones who are defaulting, you're dreaming. It's the folks who have balloon notes that hit the five year mark in late 2008 + 2009 who caused the meltdown; those who were able to get mortgages with the lessened oversight and control over the financial industry courtesy of one Dubya and his cronies in Congress. We had a Republican controlled Congress 2000 - 2007 so just who do you think wrote and voted in the bills being lobbyed by the banks and financial industry?

    Beyond that mess - when Clinton lied, nobody died.

    1) The people responsible for the mortgage mess is first and foremost the idiots that took loans that they couldn't afford. Secodnly, the idiots that gave out loans that they knew the people couldn't afford.

    2) Enough with rhyming bullshit, you sound like a 2 year old.

    Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in..... :lol:
    ~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
    Mohandas K. Gandhi

    ~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    weenie wrote:
    Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in..... :lol:

    Yeah, I know what it's from...why don't you put it back?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    cincybearcat wrote:
    weenie wrote:
    Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in..... :lol:

    Yeah, I know what it's from...why don't you put it back?
    sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    weenie wrote:
    Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in..... :lol:

    Yeah, I know what it's from...why don't you put it back?
    sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.

    That's the thing about GWB I find amazing, I don't know if it's strategic or by his design that he has kept so quiet since leaving office. I wonder if he ever wanted to be President or if he was hand picked, tapped on the shoulder to be the guy for the job and had no choice in the matter.

    I do appreciate the quiet abyss he's in so that others can TRY to fix this country. Thank you George for the void away for the limelight you've done for awhile now.

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  • weenie
    weenie Posts: 1,623
    g under p wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    weenie wrote:
    Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in..... :lol:

    sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.

    That's the thing about GWB I find amazing, I don't know if it's strategic or by his design that he has kept so quiet since leaving office. I wonder if he ever wanted to be President or if he was hand picked, tapped on the shoulder to be the guy for the job and had no choice in the matter.

    I do appreciate the quiet abyss he's in so that others can TRY to fix this country. Thank you George for the void away for the limelight you've done for awhile now.

    Peace

    Here's my take on his abandonment of his ranch and public life, and his move to Dallas.... I think there were so many threats on his life that he was told he needed to go to, and remain in, a totally contollable and secured environment. He's in a wealthy suburb of Dallas that probably had high security before he ever arrived. The ranch? No way could they keep him safe there. I keep picturing the scene from "The Shooter" when Wahlberg reigned chaos down on Danny Glover and housemates out on their remote ranch.

    I too appreciate the quiet abyss he's in. The Dallas elitists can have his sorry ass.
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    Mohandas K. Gandhi

    ~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
    Henry David Thoreau

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