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Excuse me, but dubbya was the one who through the gates open on all manner of deregulation. Don't try to pin his greed on Bill. :twisted:[/quote]
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 under President Clinton. Look it up. Even Obama has blammed this for the recession.[/quote]
If you think people who bought homes in 1999 - 2002 are the ones who are defaulting, you're dreaming. It's the folks who have balloon notes that hit the five year mark in late 2008 + 2009 who caused the meltdown; those who were able to get mortgages with the lessened oversight and control over the financial industry courtesy of one Dubya and his cronies in Congress. We had a Republican controlled Congress 2000 - 2007 so just who do you think wrote and voted in the bills being lobbyed by the banks and financial industry?
Beyond that mess - when Clinton lied, nobody died.[/quote]
If you think defaults started happening in 2008, you're the dreamer. They've been rising for years, from the loose laws imposed by Billy. A democrat shouldn't bring up lobbying.
You're silly little rhyme is old. I guess we shouldn't have invaded Iraq and broke down the terrorists. Nice to have skyscrapers still in our counrty....0 -
ccucf1996 wrote:
If you think defaults started happening in 2008, you're the dreamer. They've been rising for years, from the loose laws imposed by Billy. A democrat shouldn't bring up lobbying.
You're silly little rhyme is old. I guess we shouldn't have invaded Iraq and broke down the terrorists. Nice to have skyscrapers still in our counrty....
that is really funny because iraq had nothing to do with knocking down our skyscrapers. and if you believe they did have something to do with it then you have obviously not been paying attention because bush said it himself. also, there were not terrorists there like there are now before we showed up there. they went there to fight us."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.cincybearcat wrote:weenie wrote:Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in.....
Yeah, I know what it's from...why don't you put it back?
Just a really stupid thing to bring up in this thread...has nothing to do with anything here. But it's a free country so if you wanna act like a 2 year old and come up with silly rhymes to chant with your friends, more power to ya.hippiemom = goodness0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:ccucf1996 wrote:
If you think defaults started happening in 2008, you're the dreamer. They've been rising for years, from the loose laws imposed by Billy. A democrat shouldn't bring up lobbying.
You're silly little rhyme is old. I guess we shouldn't have invaded Iraq and broke down the terrorists. Nice to have skyscrapers still in our counrty....
that is really funny because iraq had nothing to do with knocking down our skyscrapers. and if you believe they did have something to do with it then you have obviously not been paying attention because bush said it himself. also, there were not terrorists there like there are now before we showed up there. they went there to fight us.
Yep, and the ones that WENT to Iraq to fight us are now heading back over into Afghanistan to join the ones that were ALREADY THERE to fight us some more. Everybody else seems to know that we went into Iraq for Dubya's paybacks to Saddam and so that his administration's cronies could get rich. Does the name Halliburton ring a bell? Not to mention the oil pipeline being built at the time......~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
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cincybearcat wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:weenie wrote:Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in.....
sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.
Just a really stupid thing to bring up in this thread...has nothing to do with anything here. But it's a free country so if you wanna act like a 2 year old and come up with silly rhymes to chant with your friends, more power to ya.
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:cincybearcat wrote:weenie wrote:Sorry to say I can't take the "credit" for the rhyme. It was a campaign slogan in the 2004 election. You must have helped vote Bush back in.....
sounds like she touched a nerve. i thought the rhyme was pretty clever the first time i heard it and it is still true today. nobody died when he lied about his relationship with lewinsky. he is still useful to our country for diplomatic and foreign policy reasons and he is still popular on the world stage, unlike your boy bush who has quietly gone away to never show his face on the world stage again. and that is the best move a bush ever made.
Just a really stupid thing to bring up in this thread...has nothing to do with anything here. But it's a free country so if you wanna act like a 2 year old and come up with silly rhymes to chant with your friends, more power to ya.
Oh....I thought this thread was about Bill Clinton. WHAT WAS I THINKING? :shock:~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
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weenie wrote:
Oh....I thought this thread was about Bill Clinton. WHAT WAS I THINKING? :shock:
Yep, it was about Bill Clinton...specifically the effort to get the 2 American journalists released from North Korea.
Then it became about GW...which all threads use to and I'm so happy that's over.
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cincybearcat wrote:weenie wrote:
Oh....I thought this thread was about Bill Clinton. WHAT WAS I THINKING? :shock:
Yep, it was about Bill Clinton...specifically the effort to get the 2 American journalists released from North Korea.
Then it became about GW...which all threads use to and I'm so happy that's over.
No, it became about the contrast between the world perception of our 2 ex-presidents... one who had his legacy unfairly tarnished by a right-wing witch hunt that took millions of taxpayer dollars to find ANYTHING to try to stick to him but still commands the respect of many international leaders due to his intelligence and poise, another who embarrassed this nation, alienated all our allies, and trashed everything good this country used to stand for. It's a reasonable and interesting evolution for the topic to take. If it bothers you so much that the scope has broadened, you're free to ignore those twists and turns. But I think it's pretty interesting how differently these two ex-presidents are perceived and it's rather telling that Clinton can still do things like this while nobody in the world wants to hear from our other ex-presidents ever again. That includes Carter and Bush Sr.
That said, no, Clinton was not perfect. Yes, he had a hand in the lending laws, though it's worth noting it was a republican congress energized by Gingrich that wrote those bills and he signed them knowing he didn't have much choice in the matter. Then Dubya took us further down that road, again with a republican congress. Thus a bad situation got worse. Clinton deserves a share of the blame for the lending issues, but the lion's share falls squarely upon the republican disciples of Reagan and their hard-on for disastrous deregulation.Post edited by soulsinging on0 -
soulsinging wrote:cincybearcat wrote:weenie wrote:
Oh....I thought this thread was about Bill Clinton. WHAT WAS I THINKING? :shock:
Yep, it was about Bill Clinton...specifically the effort to get the 2 American journalists released from North Korea.
Then it became about GW...which all threads use to and I'm so happy that's over.
No, it became about the contrast between the world perception of our 2 ex-presidents... one who had his legacy unfairly tarnished by a right-wing witch hunt that took millions of taxpayer dollars to find ANYTHING to try to stick to him but still commands the respect of many international leaders due to his intelligence and poise, another who embarrassed this nation, alienated all our allies, and trashed everything good this country used to stand for. It's a reasonable and interesting evolution for the topic to take. If it bothers you so much that the scope has broadened, you're free to ignore those twists and turns. But I think it's truly remarkable how differently these two ex-presidents are perceived and it's interesting that Clinton can still do things like this while nobody in the world wants to hear from our other ex-presidents ever again. That includes Carter and Bush Sr.
That said, no, Clinton was not perfect. Yes, he had a hand in the lending laws, though it's worth noting it was a republican congress energized by Gingrich that wrote those bills and he signed them knowing he didn't have much choice in the matter. Then Dubya took us further down that road, again with a republican congress. Thus a bad situation got worse. Clinton deserves a share of the blame for the lending issues, but the lion's share falls squarely upon the republican disciples of Reagan and their hard-on for disastrous deregulation.
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soulsinging wrote:No, it became about the contrast between the world perception of our 2 ex-presidents... one who had his legacy unfairly tarnished by a right-wing witch hunt that took millions of taxpayer dollars to find ANYTHING to try to stick to him but still commands the respect of many international leaders due to his intelligence and poise, another who embarrassed this nation, alienated all our allies, and trashed everything good this country used to stand for. It's a reasonable and interesting evolution for the topic to take. If it bothers you so much that the scope has broadened, you're free to ignore those twists and turns. But I think it's truly remarkable how differently these two ex-presidents are perceived and it's interesting that Clinton can still do things like this while nobody in the world wants to hear from our other ex-presidents ever again. That includes Carter and Bush Sr.
That said, no, Clinton was not perfect. Yes, he had a hand in the lending laws, though it's worth noting it was a republican congress energized by Gingrich that wrote those bills and he signed them knowing he didn't have much choice in the matter. Then Dubya took us further down that road, again with a republican congress. Thus a bad situation got worse. Clinton deserves a share of the blame for the lending issues, but the lion's share falls squarely upon the republican disciples of Reagan and their hard-on for disastrous deregulation.
Umm...no...try reading.
Weenie brought up the "When Clinton lied..." zinger out of nowhere...well, it came out of discussing who's adminsitration was at fault for idiots taking loans they couldn't afford from idiots that knew the other idiots couldn't afford them.
And anyhow, people did die when Clinton lied as he hurled missles at people to distract them from who he was doing in the Oval Office.
Although to your point, I can just ignore the stupid post.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:soulsinging wrote:No, it became about the contrast between the world perception of our 2 ex-presidents... one who had his legacy unfairly tarnished by a right-wing witch hunt that took millions of taxpayer dollars to find ANYTHING to try to stick to him but still commands the respect of many international leaders due to his intelligence and poise, another who embarrassed this nation, alienated all our allies, and trashed everything good this country used to stand for. It's a reasonable and interesting evolution for the topic to take. If it bothers you so much that the scope has broadened, you're free to ignore those twists and turns. But I think it's truly remarkable how differently these two ex-presidents are perceived and it's interesting that Clinton can still do things like this while nobody in the world wants to hear from our other ex-presidents ever again. That includes Carter and Bush Sr.
That said, no, Clinton was not perfect. Yes, he had a hand in the lending laws, though it's worth noting it was a republican congress energized by Gingrich that wrote those bills and he signed them knowing he didn't have much choice in the matter. Then Dubya took us further down that road, again with a republican congress. Thus a bad situation got worse. Clinton deserves a share of the blame for the lending issues, but the lion's share falls squarely upon the republican disciples of Reagan and their hard-on for disastrous deregulation.
Umm...no...try reading.
Weenie brought up the "When Clinton lied..." zinger out of nowhere...well, it came out of discussing who's adminsitration was at fault for idiots taking loans they couldn't afford from idiots that knew the other idiots couldn't afford them.
And anyhow, people did die when Clinton lied as he hurled missles at people to distract them from who he was doing in the Oval Office.
Although to your point, I can just ignore the stupid post.
Say what and you speak of stupidity :?:
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Say what and you speak of stupidity :?:
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Which I think is actually pretty stupid...which was my point.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:g under p wrote:[
Say what and you speak of stupidity :?:
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Which I think is actually pretty stupid...which was my point.
Oh, I see....you think Clinton launched missiles to get publicity for his movie.....
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cincybearcat wrote:Umm...no...try reading.
Weenie brought up the "When Clinton lied..." zinger out of nowhere...well, it came out of discussing who's adminsitration was at fault for idiots taking loans they couldn't afford from idiots that knew the other idiots couldn't afford them.
And anyhow, people did die when Clinton lied as he hurled missles at people to distract them from who he was doing in the Oval Office.
Although to your point, I can just ignore the stupid post.
Well, you should be able to. But it really seems like you can't. In any event, you are really overreacting to an old cheesy slogan. It honestly seems to me like your annoyance at the slogan is just a tactic to avoid dealing with any of the legitimate points made surrounding it.0 -
soulsinging wrote:cincybearcat wrote:Umm...no...try reading.
Weenie brought up the "When Clinton lied..." zinger out of nowhere...well, it came out of discussing who's adminsitration was at fault for idiots taking loans they couldn't afford from idiots that knew the other idiots couldn't afford them.
And anyhow, people did die when Clinton lied as he hurled missles at people to distract them from who he was doing in the Oval Office.
Although to your point, I can just ignore the stupid post.
Well, you should be able to. But it really seems like you can't. In any event, you are really overreacting to an old cheesy slogan. It honestly seems to me like your annoyance at the slogan is just a tactic to avoid dealing with any of the legitimate points made surrounding it.
You are right about me over-reacting. I guess it just got really old for me. I think I've dealt with the points around it many times over in the past...which is why I think it bothers me so much. In reality, most of those cheesy chants about anything bother me a lot...oh well...I'm calmer now.
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soulsinging wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held
Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
Because God forbid he got a hummer in the Oval Office. Meanwhile have you noticed how many of the ones protesting the loudest have been caught in public bathrooms? (Larry 'wide stance' Craig and can't remember the other one)
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Has anybody mentioned this?
I like how Bill was bashing the Dems for not being tough on this healthcare battle. Or something like that.
Yeah! Go Bill, you tell them!
I’m a Dem, but really don’t like their defense tactics at times. Weak shit.
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soulsinging wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held
Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
I don't like it when people lie, in court, while under oath, but maybe that's just me.
Glad those journalists are home, and that Kim was rewarded for kidnapping them by getting a meeting with Pres Clinton.ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
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CJMST3K wrote:soulsinging wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held
Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
I don't like it when people lie, in court, while under oath, but maybe that's just me.
Glad those journalists are home, and that Kim was rewarded for kidnapping them by getting a meeting with Pres Clinton.
he was also president when the deregulation of the banks occurred that led to this financial crisis....Post edited by Pepe Silvia ondon't compete; coexist
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I heart Scout Niblett wrote:CJMST3K wrote:soulsinging wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090804/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_journalists_held
Clinton springs the dumbass journalists from N Korea. Why did people hate this guy?
I don't like it when people lie, in court, while under oath, but maybe that's just me.
Glad those journalists are home, and that Kim was rewarded for kidnapping them by getting a meeting with Pres Clinton.
he was also president when the deregulation of the banks occurred that lead to this financial crisis....
Yup.
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