So, a patient just called me...

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah really....we're comparing first hand experiences with a website set up by the health care lobby...of course they are going to have horror stories on there to scare you

scare? not really. I love how you people will immediately dismiss anything negative said about UHC. bad source, not full story, scare tactic, yada yada yada.

Gern Blansten wrote:

The truth is that these systems work better than ours....are we more advanced then them in some areas? Sure, but other countries have a leg up on us too....I have a client who is 35 years old...was diagnosed with liver cancer four years ago....he travels to Germany about every four months for treatment because he can't get that procedure done here in the states

He is at the same place that Farrah Fawcett visited to combat one of the deadlier forms of cancer

maybe you should tell the whole story. you wouldnt want to be misleading right?

did your client get ozone therapy like Farrah?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_therapy

Some people, including a number of doctors and biochemists, believe ozone has remarkable healing properties.[1][2][3] Others have argued that it is nonscientific and has no proven benefits. For many years ozone's medical value or non-value has been the subject of controversial and emotional debate.[8]

The advent of precise medical ozone generators has only recently allowed the mechanisms, action and possible toxicity of ozone to be evaluated by clinical trials.[9] Ozone has a capacity to oxidize organic compounds,[10] and has well-known toxic effects on the respiratory tract when present in smog.[11][12] In medical use the gas — produced from medical grade oxygen — is administered in precise therapeutic doses, and never via inhalation, and advocates claim it has holistic health benefits.[13]

Therapeutic use of ozone is not endorsed by health authorities or medical associations in any English speaking country, and most US states prohibit the marketing of ozone generators, its medical use, and even research and clinical trials of ozone therapy, so that doctors risk losing their medical licenses by administering or prescribing ozone therapies. There is anecdotal evidence of ozone therapy having caused remission in a variety of diseases,[14] but only a few of these life saving administrations have been verified.[15]

Gern Blansten wrote:

no it was some sort of stem cell treatment

to put things in perspective....he entered cancer treatment at IU hospital....all of the people in his treatment group are dead except for him

frightening that the US is so closed minded about stem cell treatment because it works....it's a good thing the USA isn't considered the world leader in health care otherwise this guy would probably be dead

so even if we had UHC, he would have gone to Germany for that treatment anyway.

Gern Blansten wrote:

correct....that's just a flaw in our system.

point being that we claim to be leaders ourselves but others are passing us by.....of course if he was German he would get it automatically

using stem cell treatment is a completely separate issue about our healthcare system. and has nothing to do with the UHC discussion.

scb wrote:

Use better sources and you won't have that problem.

no sources that show UHC in a bad light will be acceptable to the likes of you. thats the point.

jlew24asu wrote:

but any source that mentions potential problems with UHC is going to be some sort of "conservative" outlet.

plus, what is wrong with the stories told on that site? its coming directly from the people involved. why are they not telling the whole story in your opinion? what is being left out?

Because the people involved have said their stories are being misrepresented. That they generally like Canada's UHC but acknowledge it has problems that need to be addressed. Yet the stories are being used here as a sign of inevitable disaster if we switch to UHC, as if the things described in the video don't happen here already (which this OP makes clear it does, daily). I mean, if you're going to ride Glen about being misleading, you can't be honestly telling me these sources of yours aren't being equally misleading in the way they present these stories. They're attempting to make it look like a nightmare that would be infinitely worse than what we have. When the facts show even the people telling the stories appreciate the UHC system and none of the problems they describe are unique to UHC, they're already problems we have here.

There was a poster around here back in the day that I believe had to fly to Australia to get cancer treatments that were basically 100% effective. If the private thing works so well, why are many Americans going to countries with socialized health care to avoid waitlists here and get treatments they can't get here at all? I thought our private system would inevitably produce the finest health care in the world with the best equipment and procedures via the glories of competition?