selling tickets on Ebay - thoughts?

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  • Beetle19
    Beetle19 Posts: 16
    brianwp wrote:
    One guy selling his extra tix and making a few bucks = not so bad
    Scalper making a living off of screwing fans who can't get tix = scumbag


    ...and the guy who's been selling the password for the ticketmaster presale on ebay = bloody asshole!!!!

    there's 10c members out there who missed out at both, 10c-presale and TM-presale. And this f*** b*** is making money by selling the POSSIBILITY to get tickets!!!!

    If he's a 10c-member himself, he should be banned for a lifetime...
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Beetle19 wrote:
    If he's a 10c-member himself, he should be banned for a lifetime...

    If someone is going to do something like that do you think banning them is going to stop them from trying to do something like that again? I mean if he gets banned all he has to do is sign up for a new membership under someone else's name that he knows (wife, girlfriend, kid parent) and he is back in business.
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Beetle19 wrote:
    ...and the guy who's been selling the password for the ticketmaster presale on ebay = bloody asshole!!!!

    there's 10c members out there who missed out at both, 10c-presale and TM-presale. And this f*** b*** is making money by selling the POSSIBILITY to get tickets!!!!

    If he's a 10c-member himself, he should be banned for a lifetime...
    although I do think he's an asshole, the people buying from him are stupid morons because it was dead easy to find online for free.
    I looked and it took me less than 30seconds (before you jump on me, I had it already, I scored 10c to both shows anyway)
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Pegasus wrote:
    no you shouldn't. you're don't OWN the concert, it's not for you to make a profit on it.

    and yes, plane tickets USED TO be resellable. Not anymore and I don't hear people complaining.
    and though you might get credits or some refund, there's a fee attached to it, at least here, which means it's generally cheaper to buy a new one than change.

    No one complaines because if you show up at an airport with a ticket issued to someone that doesn't match your photo ID you are probably going to get thrown in jail. And typically any airline I have ever flown on the change fee is usually around 40 bucks.

    And why shouldn't I be allowed to make money on something I paid for if the value of it goes up?
  • restlesssoul
    restlesssoul Posts: 6,952
    lots of good points here. scalpers are scumbags.

    i have this guy that i know. he created a facebook group called "vancouver concert addicts". he goes to a lot of shows. as do i. now he is straight up advertising that he has become a scalper. he bought 10 tickets to oasis and has them all up for sale on this concert addict group. thats not what the group was/is about. should i tell him to get a life?

    i think we are all getting the short end of the stick when brokers and scalpers raise the market value. its such a race for tickets, we lose sight of things.
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Get_Right wrote:
    A concert ticket is a revocable license to enter the facility, not a piece of real property. Concert tickets come with terms and agreements, and they choose to deny right of resale in that license, most times.
    Its use is restricted. it is not yours to do as you please, technically.

    Those terms to me are just weasly contract items written by the promoter. I think a seller telling me what I can do with something once I hav paid for it is far more offensive than someone selling their tickets at a mark-up if people are willing to pay for them (and they are willing no one is forcing people to pay these prices).
  • Beetle19
    Beetle19 Posts: 16
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    If someone is going to do something like that do you think banning them is going to stop them from trying to do something like that again? I mean if he gets banned all he has to do is sign up for a new membership under someone else's name that he knows (wife, girlfriend, kid parent) and he is back in business.

    Well, there WOULD BE possibilities to avoid this, by comparing e.g. IP-adress, Credit Cards etc... - of course, the 10 c is just a small "store" and probably wouldn't use such tools.

    It just makes me mad to see such things happen and it's what I would do with this guy...
    Pegasus wrote:
    although I do think he's an asshole, the people buying from him are stupid morons because it was dead easy to find online for free.
    I looked and it took me less than 30seconds (before you jump on me, I had it already, I scored 10c to both shows anyway)

    I know it was spread online for free and I don't blame anyone who found it and used it. And yes, people who buy a password are stupid too, but in a way I do understand them: They want to see PJ by all means, probably expected to get really good tickets and most likely thought, it would be easy with that password....
    "Thanks for the love - we love you back!" (Ed V. in Verona 2006)

    Europe 2006:
    16/09/06 Verona
    20/09/06 Pistoia
    23/09/06 Berlin

    Europe 2007:
    12/06/07 Munich
    18/06/07 London
    21/06/07 Düsseldorf
    24/06/07 Hurricane Festival
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Beetle19 wrote:
    Well, there WOULD BE possibilities to avoid this, by comparing e.g. IP-adress, Credit Cards etc... - of course, the 10 c is just a small "store" and probably wouldn't use such tools.

    It just makes me mad to see such things happen and it's what I would do with this guy...

    Personally I would rather not spend too much time tracking down someone who is doing this. I mean you are never going to stop it and your right 10club isn't really that big, so I am not sure it would be a best use of their resources to spend a bunch of time trying to figure out who did this.

    As far as what you said about avoiding this, if I ever got banned for something like this, it would be as simple as having my girlfriend sign up for a membership, in her name, with her address and logging in from her house.
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Those terms to me are just weasly contract items written by the promoter. I think a seller telling me what I can do with something once I hav paid for it is far more offensive than someone selling their tickets at a mark-up if people are willing to pay for them (and they are willing no one is forcing people to pay these prices).
    you've never bought a price of computer software then.. because talk about telling you what you can or cannot do with it!!

    the terms of sale are there when you purchase the ticket, if you don't like them, don't buy....nobody is forcing you :p
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    Pegasus wrote:
    you've never bought a price of computer software then.. because talk about telling you what you can or cannot do with it!!

    the terms of sale are there when you purchase the ticket, if you don't like them, don't buy....nobody is forcing you :p

    I know no body is forcing me to buy a ticket (just like no one is being forced to buy a ticket at mark-up on ebay), it doesn't mean I have to like the terms of the sale.
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Beetle19 wrote:
    Well, there WOULD BE possibilities to avoid this, by comparing e.g. IP-adress, Credit Cards etc... - of course, the 10 c is just a small "store" and probably wouldn't use such tools.

    It just makes me mad to see such things happen and it's what I would do with this guy...



    I know it was spread online for free and I don't blame anyone who found it and used it. And yes, people who buy a password are stupid too, but in a way I do understand them: They want to see PJ by all means, probably expected to get really good tickets and most likely thought, it would be easy with that password....
    well, if they're willing to drop $10 for a password, then maybe they should just drop another $10 and get a membership themselves which would have given them access to the password AND to the first pre-sale..
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I know no body is forcing me to buy a ticket (just like no one is being forced to buy a ticket at mark-up on ebay), it doesn't mean I have to like the terms of the sale.
    you're not talking about not liking them, you're talking about not respecting them.

    so I presume you scalp your 10c tickets too..
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Pegasus wrote:
    you're not talking about not liking them, you're talking about not respecting them.

    that's rich coming from Europe's biggest user of "free" music download sites :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    dunkman wrote:
    that's rich coming from Europe's biggest user of "free" music download sites :D
    :confused:
    no idea what you're talking about.

    only site I could remotely be considered Europe's biggest (and don't even think it's true) is Youkan, which is boots, so free yes, but allowed!
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Pegasus wrote:
    :confused:
    no idea what you're talking about.

    only site I could remotely be considered Europe's biggest (and don't even think it's true) is Youkan, which is boots, so free yes, but allowed!


    never illegally downloaded something Peg? hmmmmmm i smell porkies.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • flyinwhole313
    flyinwhole313 Posts: 1,651
    Honestly, if I actually attempted to guess how much of my money PJ has gotten over the years, I would probably combust. So what is the problem to buy some tickets or items to pay for you going to multiple shows? To pay for your Posters and Shirts and Zippos, etc?
    I think that it is obvious that a scalper is a scumbag, but blame the douche buying from a scalper, because if nobody bought from scalpers, the scalping would not be as lucritive as it is now because of fans like us paying whatever it takes...I have bought tickets for less than face from scalpers day-of-show, where they are worried to have a complete loss, and you can often deal them down.
    BOTTOM LINE- We can curl up and cry about these practices or we can adapt...IT'S EVOLUTION, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    dunkman wrote:
    never illegally downloaded something Peg? hmmmmmm i smell porkies.
    I don't think I know many people that never but I'm about as far removed from 'Europe's biggest' as you could get :rolleyes:

    and never paid for or made money out of something like that!
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Pegasus wrote:
    I don't think I know many people that never but I'm about as far removed from 'Europe's biggest' as you could get :rolleyes:

    and never paid for or made money out of something like that!

    jeebus woman... have you never heard of things called jokes.. or sarcasm? :rolleyes:

    how on earth would i know you were Europes biggest?

    i couldnt be that serious all the time... it'd hurt my head


    so you think its ok to download music illegally, robbing the artist of income, robbing the company of sales... but not ok to sell on a ticket you have legitimately bought?

    according to your sig i believe you need tickets to a show.. i hope you realise those tickets are non-transferable and shouldn't be re-sold... but you'll be face price i would think? good luck with that :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Those terms to me are just weasly contract items written by the promoter. I think a seller telling me what I can do with something once I hav paid for it is far more offensive than someone selling their tickets at a mark-up if people are willing to pay for them (and they are willing no one is forcing people to pay these prices).


    Actually thats the law on the subject and its part of why resale is restricted, its not property, its a license. Just like your drivers license. Terms of use are restricted.

    if it were property, than you would be free to sell it for whatever you want, kinda like posters, which are property.

    You are in essence paying for the privilege to enter the arena and see the show. You have almost no other rights as far as that ticket goes.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Get_Right wrote:
    Actually thats the law on the subject and its part of why resale is restricted, its not property, its a license. Just like your drivers license. Terms of use are restricted.

    if it were property, than you would be free to sell it for whatever you want, kinda like posters, which are property.

    You are in essence paying for the privilege to enter the arena and see the show. You have almost no other rights as far as that ticket goes.


    lawyer speak aside... you pay for the piece of paper that gives you that privilege.

    that piece of paper, that ticket... IS property.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.

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