Abortion-Why is it such a heated issue?

musicismylife78
musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
edited July 2009 in A Moving Train
I respect that people disagree on this issue, but what I dont understand is WHY its such a heated and hugely debated issue. It seems to weigh heavily in peoples minds when they vote for a candidate. And it seems intensely personal. To many it seems like its not a "choice" to be against abortion, but rather that its Gods Will that they be against it.

Why do you think this is such a heated issue for people? Why do people feel so strongly that its wrong, that they actually go and murder someone over the issue. Which in itself is ridiculous. These people are prolife because they feel taking a life is wrong, and to right this wrong, they...kill someone? Doesnt make any sense to me.

And another thing, where are these abortion clinics? Its almost like they are mythical places. Yes I know they are real, but I hear about them all the time, but I assume their locations arent publicly released for security and safety reasons, but really where are they?

That said I am proudly prochoice.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I respect that people disagree on this issue, but what I dont understand is WHY its such a heated and hugely debated issue.

    That said I am proudly prochoice.
    shocker! :lol:
    Pro choice people generally don't think it's a big issue, cause they normally think of a fetus as inhuman, or less human...or that it's up to the individual, which thereby negates their own opinion (my guess is that's where you fit in...right?).
    many pro-choice people have MADE the choice (and won't admit it in casual conversations), so they feel a need to defend that choice tooth and nail.

    Pro lifers think of it as the mass murder of children....I can see why they'd consider it an issue to get heated over.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Drowned Out wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I respect that people disagree on this issue, but what I dont understand is WHY its such a heated and hugely debated issue.

    That said I am proudly prochoice.
    shocker! :lol:
    Pro choice people generally don't think it's a big issue, cause they normally think of a fetus as inhuman, or less human...or that it's up to the individual, which thereby negates their own opinion (my guess is that's where you fit in...right?).
    many pro-choice people have MADE the choice (and won't admit it in casual conversations), so they feel a need to defend that choice tooth and nail.

    Pro lifers think of it as the mass murder of children....I can see why they'd consider it an issue to get heated over.


    right, but that doesnt answer my question and doesnt get at the hypocrisy. If you are prolife because you think abortion is murder, why do some go out and murder abortion doctors? Isnt that a paradox? Its like that backeward logic people used for hiroshima and nagasaki, "oh we dropped the bomb to save lives", meanwhile they murdered hundreds of thousands of people and people are still living with the aftereffects of all that
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    as I said, people are free to feel what they want on abortion, I just find it pretty odd. What thought process rationalizes murdering people for the sake of the cause?

    Getting so worked up over this issue that you go and murder an abortion doctor? I dont get it
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    Drowned Out wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I respect that people disagree on this issue, but what I dont understand is WHY its such a heated and hugely debated issue.

    That said I am proudly prochoice.
    shocker! :lol:
    Pro choice people generally don't think it's a big issue, cause they normally think of a fetus as inhuman, or less human...or that it's up to the individual, which thereby negates their own opinion (my guess is that's where you fit in...right?).
    many pro-choice people have MADE the choice (and won't admit it in casual conversations), so they feel a need to defend that choice tooth and nail.

    Pro lifers think of it as the mass murder of children....I can see why they'd consider it an issue to get heated over.


    additionally, its "prochoice people who need to defend the choice tooth and nail". Huh?

    I actually think its the other way around. Its prolife people who defend it tooth and nail. You cant get more tooth and nail than slaughtering a guy in his church! Or bombing abortion clinics. Since when are prochoice people doing that to prolife people?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Getting so worked up over this issue that you go and murder an abortion doctor? I dont get it
    I don't get it either. Killing in the name of ending abortions? that sends a clear message. Not.
  • milarso
    milarso Posts: 1,280
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Getting so worked up over this issue that you go and murder an abortion doctor? I dont get it

    To be fair, I think you have to admit that there can be radical people on either side of any issue. To even compare the large group of people who are pro-choice to the very few people who turn to violence in the name of ending abortion is ludicrous in my opinion.

    That said, I'm as pro-choice as they come.

    I think allowing the government to say what people can and can't do with their bodies is terrifying.
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    And another thing, where are these abortion clinics? Its almost like they are mythical places. Yes I know they are real, but I hear about them all the time, but I assume their locations arent publicly released for security and safety reasons, but really where are they?

    I don't know whether you're refering to abortion clinics in general or just ones that perform late-term procedures, but freestanding clinics do advertise and don't generally hide their locations. (Anyone who wants to know the location would just have to call for an appointment anyway.) Also, abortions are performed at some regular Family Medicine clinics, Ob/Gyn clinics, & hospitals. Many people's clinics/doctors perform abortions & they just don't know it.
    Drowned Out wrote:
    many pro-choice people have MADE the choice (and won't admit it in casual conversations), so they feel a need to defend that choice tooth and nail.

    Ironically, many anti-abortion people have made the choice to have an abortion as well - and some feel the need to vehemently speak out against abortion so no one will suspect they had one.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    i used to have a friend.......he talked his girlfriend into the abortion for birthcontrol purposes.

    so.........i am against it when used for birthcontrol.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    ajedigecko wrote:
    i used to have a friend.......he talked his girlfriend into the abortion for birthcontrol purposes.

    so.........i am against it when used for birthcontrol.

    Please explain what "for birth control purposes" means.
  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    The answer to the question is one word.

    RELIGULOUS!
  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Abortion is a neat battle to keep a mind off of how a Christian could lay waste to a county and actually have the backing of more people of faith. Or is that sports?

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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    even flow - question mark wrote:
    Abortion is a neat battle to keep a mind off of how a Christian could lay waste to a county and actually have the backing of more people of faith. Or is that sports?
    What in the world are you trying to say??? Posting under the influence again? :twisted:
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    scb wrote:
    ajedigecko wrote:
    i used to have a friend.......he talked his girlfriend into the abortion for birthcontrol purposes.

    so.........i am against it when used for birthcontrol.

    Please explain what "for birth control purposes" means.
    I suspect that the couple has sex without either party actively using any means to prevent a sperm cell from fertilizing the egg...no rubber, no pill....if a sperm cell turns out to be the "Golden BB"....she gets an abortion. :|
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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Pro-life people feel so strongly about it because to them it's considered mass murder...

    I've read some of your posts and you seem very anti-war... why do you feel so strongly about that? I'm not saying that you would kill someone over the issue, but neither would 99.9% of the pro-lifers out there.


    Personally, I don't get why it's a huge political issue, because of the mere fact that it will unfortunately happen (and be legal) regardless of who is elected.

    I don't get why some pro-life people vote solely on a candidates abortion stance, when they've elected pro life people again and again, and abortions have never been outlawed or reduced by anything that they've ever done in office.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I think the greatest misconception that is made about the 'Pro-choice' side of the equation is that Pro-Choice people are 'Pro-abortion' and have this non-chalant attitude towards life. This cannot be further from the truth. Many... and i will venture to say, the majority of Pro-Choice people do not approve of abortion as choice of their choosing. Most would hope that the individual would choose an alternative to abortion... and most believe that education is a powerful tool to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
    The majority of the Pro-choice people do not want government making the call on this issue... they do not want the church to legislate for the masses. They believe in the individual's right to Choose... not abortion.
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Abortion-Why is it such a heated issue?
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    That said I am proudly prochoice.

    That goes without saying. Anyone saying "Abortion - Why is it such a heated issue?" would ONLY be on the pro-choice side, wouldn't you agree?
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  • cincybearcat
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    Umm...1 side thinks it's murder...the other thinks it's someone forcing their beliefs on them and their bodies...

    Seems like the perfect storm for a huge, extremely heated issue. Also, tough for a middle ground on this one.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think the greatest misconception that is made about the 'Pro-choice' side of the equation is that Pro-Choice people are 'Pro-abortion' and have this non-chalant attitude towards life. This cannot be further from the truth. Many... and i will venture to say, the majority of Pro-Choice people do not approve of abortion as choice of their choosing. Most would hope that the individual would choose an alternative to abortion... and most believe that education is a powerful tool to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
    The majority of the Pro-choice people do not want government making the call on this issue... they do not want the church to legislate for the masses. They believe in the individual's right to Choose... not abortion.


    I also think a great misconception is that everyone that is against abortion is so because of their religion.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Umm...1 side thinks it's murder...the other thinks it's someone forcing their beliefs on them and their bodies...

    Seems like the perfect storm for a huge, extremely heated issue. Also, tough for a middle ground on this one.
    ...
    But... I believe there IS middle ground. Don't CHOOSE Abortion.
    The abortion procedure is a valid medical procedure in this country. Being valid, it is an OPTION to the individual. I believe that if we move towards the middle, by explaining how pregnancies occur and what can be done to prevent them in the first place, going over the acutal abortion procedure and it's affect on the mother and fetus to our society as a whole and including it in regular school programs... then, even though abortion is still an option... it will **hopefully** become the last option.
    ...
    The thing that needs to be removed from the abortion debate? Religion.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    I think the greatest misconception that is made about the 'Pro-choice' side of the equation is that Pro-Choice people are 'Pro-abortion' and have this non-chalant attitude towards life. This cannot be further from the truth. Many... and i will venture to say, the majority of Pro-Choice people do not approve of abortion as choice of their choosing. Most would hope that the individual would choose an alternative to abortion... and most believe that education is a powerful tool to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
    The majority of the Pro-choice people do not want government making the call on this issue... they do not want the church to legislate for the masses. They believe in the individual's right to Choose... not abortion.


    I also think a great misconception is that everyone that is against abortion is so because of their religion.
    ...
    Then, provide some examples where religion does NOT help to formulate the anti-abortion side of the arguement. Because in most of the cases I have been a part of... religion always seems to find it's way in.
    ...
    That being said... I understand that not all anti-abortion people are religious fanatics that go around blowing up clinics.
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