Abortion-Why is it such a heated issue?
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I respect that people disagree on this issue, but what I dont understand is WHY its such a heated and hugely debated issue. It seems to weigh heavily in peoples minds when they vote for a candidate. And it seems intensely personal. To many it seems like its not a "choice" to be against abortion, but rather that its Gods Will that they be against it.
Why do you think this is such a heated issue for people? Why do people feel so strongly that its wrong, that they actually go and murder someone over the issue. Which in itself is ridiculous. These people are prolife because they feel taking a life is wrong, and to right this wrong, they...kill someone? Doesnt make any sense to me.
And another thing, where are these abortion clinics? Its almost like they are mythical places. Yes I know they are real, but I hear about them all the time, but I assume their locations arent publicly released for security and safety reasons, but really where are they?
That said I am proudly prochoice.
Why do you think this is such a heated issue for people? Why do people feel so strongly that its wrong, that they actually go and murder someone over the issue. Which in itself is ridiculous. These people are prolife because they feel taking a life is wrong, and to right this wrong, they...kill someone? Doesnt make any sense to me.
And another thing, where are these abortion clinics? Its almost like they are mythical places. Yes I know they are real, but I hear about them all the time, but I assume their locations arent publicly released for security and safety reasons, but really where are they?
That said I am proudly prochoice.
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Pro choice people generally don't think it's a big issue, cause they normally think of a fetus as inhuman, or less human...or that it's up to the individual, which thereby negates their own opinion (my guess is that's where you fit in...right?).
many pro-choice people have MADE the choice (and won't admit it in casual conversations), so they feel a need to defend that choice tooth and nail.
Pro lifers think of it as the mass murder of children....I can see why they'd consider it an issue to get heated over.
right, but that doesnt answer my question and doesnt get at the hypocrisy. If you are prolife because you think abortion is murder, why do some go out and murder abortion doctors? Isnt that a paradox? Its like that backeward logic people used for hiroshima and nagasaki, "oh we dropped the bomb to save lives", meanwhile they murdered hundreds of thousands of people and people are still living with the aftereffects of all that
Getting so worked up over this issue that you go and murder an abortion doctor? I dont get it
additionally, its "prochoice people who need to defend the choice tooth and nail". Huh?
I actually think its the other way around. Its prolife people who defend it tooth and nail. You cant get more tooth and nail than slaughtering a guy in his church! Or bombing abortion clinics. Since when are prochoice people doing that to prolife people?
To be fair, I think you have to admit that there can be radical people on either side of any issue. To even compare the large group of people who are pro-choice to the very few people who turn to violence in the name of ending abortion is ludicrous in my opinion.
That said, I'm as pro-choice as they come.
I think allowing the government to say what people can and can't do with their bodies is terrifying.
I don't know whether you're refering to abortion clinics in general or just ones that perform late-term procedures, but freestanding clinics do advertise and don't generally hide their locations. (Anyone who wants to know the location would just have to call for an appointment anyway.) Also, abortions are performed at some regular Family Medicine clinics, Ob/Gyn clinics, & hospitals. Many people's clinics/doctors perform abortions & they just don't know it.
Ironically, many anti-abortion people have made the choice to have an abortion as well - and some feel the need to vehemently speak out against abortion so no one will suspect they had one.
so.........i am against it when used for birthcontrol.
Please explain what "for birth control purposes" means.
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I've read some of your posts and you seem very anti-war... why do you feel so strongly about that? I'm not saying that you would kill someone over the issue, but neither would 99.9% of the pro-lifers out there.
Personally, I don't get why it's a huge political issue, because of the mere fact that it will unfortunately happen (and be legal) regardless of who is elected.
I don't get why some pro-life people vote solely on a candidates abortion stance, when they've elected pro life people again and again, and abortions have never been outlawed or reduced by anything that they've ever done in office.
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The majority of the Pro-choice people do not want government making the call on this issue... they do not want the church to legislate for the masses. They believe in the individual's right to Choose... not abortion.
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That goes without saying. Anyone saying "Abortion - Why is it such a heated issue?" would ONLY be on the pro-choice side, wouldn't you agree?
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Seems like the perfect storm for a huge, extremely heated issue. Also, tough for a middle ground on this one.
I also think a great misconception is that everyone that is against abortion is so because of their religion.
But... I believe there IS middle ground. Don't CHOOSE Abortion.
The abortion procedure is a valid medical procedure in this country. Being valid, it is an OPTION to the individual. I believe that if we move towards the middle, by explaining how pregnancies occur and what can be done to prevent them in the first place, going over the acutal abortion procedure and it's affect on the mother and fetus to our society as a whole and including it in regular school programs... then, even though abortion is still an option... it will **hopefully** become the last option.
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The thing that needs to be removed from the abortion debate? Religion.
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Then, provide some examples where religion does NOT help to formulate the anti-abortion side of the arguement. Because in most of the cases I have been a part of... religion always seems to find it's way in.
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That being said... I understand that not all anti-abortion people are religious fanatics that go around blowing up clinics.
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Ok - this will be controversial but I think this may shed light to answer your paradox:
Are you personally ok with killing people? Y or N
(assuming your answer above is "no")
If you had a chance to kill a serial killer just before he killed another person, would you? Y or N
That's the paradox.
Now, this part is more controversial, but here it is... Then you get to the question of what would you do if being a serial killer was legal, and you would be in the wrong for killing him, but not killing him would continue the serial killing, what would you do?
That's what that guy who shot the doctor probably felt.
For pro-lifers, whether the crazy religious ones or more moderate ones, they believe that a human hidden behind 1/4" of skin feels pain and has the same rights as someone outside of 1/4" of skin, and that killing them is murder, particularly late-term abortions.
Pro-choicer's believe the opposite, that the fetus/baby/etc has no rights and feels no significant pain, or if it does, it's irrelevant and the parent's choice in what to do.
Right?
Now, 99.9999% of pro-lifers don't go out and kill doctors who terminate/kill the fetus/babies/etc. You're saying "some", but in reality you're talking about a couple of people out of tens of millions of people. So you are talking about a very small fraction of a percentage take things to this extreme.
That guy who believed this late-term abortion doctor was killing pain-feeling fetuses/babies snapped and killed the doctor. Practically no one on either side is endorsing his behavior.
I agree that a large number of the vocal pro-lifers are religious, to a nauseating extent. There are also non-religious/agnostic/atheists who do not agree with abortion. I wouldn't tag all pro-lifer's as religious, following "god's will", though those are the ones who are most vocal.
I know I'm bringing a controversial angle to this, but I am all up for hearing differences with my analogy above.
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Yeah but 99% of pro-lifers have not killed an abortion doctor or anyone else. So there are a few crazy hypocrites like that, but it doesn't mean the pro-life stance itself is hypocritical.
I don't know, probably the same thought process that rationalizes blowing up car dealerships and pouring toxins and poison into the atmosphere for the sake of the environmental cause. Or breaking into a lab to release all the animals so they can all instantly be killed trying to cross a major highway for the cause of animal rights. You know... it's odd like that.
I think many base it on their religion, just not all. That's what I'm saying. To assume that it's religion based all the time is just wrong. Does being against someone taking the property of others automatically mean it's religion based as well? I don't think all morals are based on religion, but religion does try to instill certain morals into it's followers.
For someone that believes it's murder that is hardly an option. Just let other people decide if they are going to kill someone and hope that they choose not to? That's just silly.
I've got to agree with that. I'm pro-choice, but it's foolish to act like that's a viable option to the pro-life movement. That's like saying we should not intervene in acts of genocide because maybe the African people are choosing genocide because it's other Africans doing the killing. I don't agree with the premise of the pro-life argument (that life begins at conception), but I have no good reason why mine is a whole lot better. And based on the pro-life premise there is really only one logical outcome.