Pelosi knew about waterboarding... and denied it.

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  • acoustic guy
    acoustic guy Posts: 3,770
    This woman is completely full of shit and so is her daughter with that bullshit doc she made.
    And waterboarding? Its fucking WAR people!!!! Its not pattycake...its WAR!
    So many of you Liberals make me sick. Here our goverment starts a branch of goverment that is here to protect us. They do what they need to, to keep us safe. Sure you like sleeping peacefully in bed everynight but now you question how the protection was enforced? WTF? Fuck U!

    Question....If you're child or spouse was on a plane that was about to be blown up, and you had the guy who knew how to stop it tied up right in front of you.....What would you do?

    All I want is a simple answer....what would you do? Try to reason with the guy? Pleez.
    Maybe offer him three hots and a cot? You know exactly what you would do....whatever necessary to stop it from happening.

    End of rant.....gotta get to work.
    Get em a Body Bag Yeeeeeaaaaa!
    Sweep the Leg Johnny.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    acoustic guy wrote:
    This woman is completely full of shit and so is her daughter with that bullshit doc she made.
    And waterboarding? Its fucking WAR people!!!! Its not pattycake...its WAR!
    So many of you Liberals make me sick. Here our goverment starts a branch of goverment that is here to protect us. They do what they need to, to keep us safe. Sure you like sleeping peacefully in bed everynight but now you question how the protection was enforced? WTF? Fuck U!

    Question....If you're child or spouse was on a plane that was about to be blown up, and you had the guy who knew how to stop it tied up right in front of you.....What would you do?

    All I want is a simple answer....what would you do? Try to reason with the guy? Pleez.
    Maybe offer him three hots and a cot? You know exactly what you would do....whatever necessary to stop it from happening.

    End of rant.....gotta get to work.

    lol.... :lol:

    If my child or spouse was on a plane that was about to be blown up I would call John McClane...

    not to be confused with John McCain...
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    acoustic guy wrote:
    This woman is completely full of shit and so is her daughter with that bullshit doc she made.
    And waterboarding? Its fucking WAR people!!!! Its not pattycake...its WAR!
    So many of you Liberals make me sick. Here our goverment starts a branch of goverment that is here to protect us. They do what they need to, to keep us safe. Sure you like sleeping peacefully in bed everynight but now you question how the protection was enforced? WTF? Fuck U!

    Question....If you're child or spouse was on a plane that was about to be blown up, and you had the guy who knew how to stop it tied up right in front of you.....What would you do?

    All I want is a simple answer....what would you do? Try to reason with the guy? Pleez.
    Maybe offer him three hots and a cot? You know exactly what you would do....whatever necessary to stop it from happening.

    End of rant.....gotta get to work.
    ...
    Thanx for the comical rant. That plane thing... fantastic.
    The huge, basic flaw in your analogy is this... how do you know HE is the one who knows how to defuse the bomb? I'll even give you the point that he is involved with the plot. but, what role did he play? Was he the one who originally thought of the idea? Or was he the one who worked out the logistics? Was the the bomb expert? Or was he the guy who drove the van to pick up the bomb making materials? Or was he the guy who boarded the plane with the bomb? You don't know what he really knows.
    Even with that John Belushi looking Shiek... 'The Mastermind of September 11'... he gives up the plot to blow up the central library in Los Angeles (as a side point... the Library? Really? When was the last time you went to the Public Library? What, the terrorist want to kill our homeless people who hang out there, now?). But, was that the main plot... or just some tidbit to get them to stop? Or is the real plan the one to detonate a dirty bomb in the parking lot of Staples Center during the Lakers play-offs?
    ...
    The question you should be asking is... how good is the information you are getting out of this tactic.
    The answer is... you just don't know.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    Cosmo wrote:
    The question you should be asking is... how good is the information you are getting out of this tactic.
    The answer is... you just don't know.

    Exactly. In the end, all torture gives us is unreliable information and a bigger black eye with respect to how the rest of the world views us. It gives the fanatics all the more power for recruitment to their cause.

    As for people who keep talking about this "ticking time bomb" scenario: according to our government, it's been a "ticking time bomb" ever since 9/11, complete with color-coded threat alerts. Does this mean we are supposed to torture everyone we take into custody from this war on terror?

    Good intelligence would have stopped 9/11, and it should have, all of the pieces were there. Torture does not yield good intelligence. As Cosmo said, A LIBRARY??? They wanted to blow up a LIBRARY as a follow up to 9/11?
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Hey guys. Here is an interesting article about torture not working:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090 ... hy/3234269
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Here's another link that has an interesting take on how torture was sort of conducted post-9/11.

    http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2 ... ssion.html
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Commy wrote:
    like the global warming issue? playing politics with much more at stake.


    Bill Maher had some congressman or senator on his show, a democrat. he was so worried about how he looked to his voters he couldn't take a stand. these people aren't leaders they're politicians.


    everything about washington is corrupt...democrat republicans-all of it. its a game they play with issues, in order to keep/get more voters so they can retain their position of power.

    that is the first thing that motivates any politician, retaining that position. if that means selling out the planet for corporate greed, so be it. as long as they get re-elected right?


    it s the nature of power. it corrupts in nearly every case, every time.


    its why we need a better system, this shit isn't working.


    end authority, give it to the people, more directly than a democracy can provide....libertarianism, anarchy, whatever its called. people have the power, we should structure a system, or non-system around that.


    politicians are worthless. they don't have the power to really change our daily lives anyway. they can start a war, which would make it less safe, but in terms of day to day living, paychecks, roads, free time, all of that is decided by corporations, corporations whose primary motivation is to increase profit. to hell with us if they can make a buck.

    it madness, the way the system is structured. its a wonder we even have any free time anymore. Greg Gaffin called the US "the land of the free-time", for how much longer is unclear.

    they need to remind people they have a position of power, that they are relevant in our day to day lives. which could motivate them to implement any number of crazy policies. were' not too far away from that. martial law is a real possiblity, if only to remind us all who in charge. never mind consent of the governed.


    they are so far indoctrinated (the US has the most advanced propaganda system in the world-they get full doses daily) its time we remind them whose really in charge.

    end corporate greed. end political insecurity. the human race would be better off.

    BAM. that's it right there! all laid out nice and neat. well said, man!

    I only wish I knew how to get people to think like that. People are too tuned into the national culture, and don't know how to function without it. I might be guilty of that myself. But I don't want to be. I know I don't give a fuck about this Pelosi controversy, which is no different than last week's bullshit controversy.
  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical
    ...
    I think that's because... it doesn't surprize us that Pelosi is a lying sack of shit... just like Bush/Cheney. We aren't supporters of her and know she only trying to cover her boney ass to save her political career... just like EVERY other fucking politician would do.
    Apparently, there are some who suck the cocks of their political party... but there are some of us who know that Democrats and Republicans are the different sides of the same coin and refuse. I know that Bush/Cheney and Pelosi come from the same place... the den of lying sacks of shit that will say anything to save their own sorry hides.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical


    They don't want to shit in the bed that they made.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    JB811 wrote:
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical


    They don't want to shit in the bed that they made.
    indeed.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    JB811 wrote:
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical


    They don't want to shit in the bed that they made.
    ...
    I think you've got it mixed up... It's 'They don't want to sleep in the bed they shit in.'
    Picture it like this... George W. Bush made the bed by getting his salad tossed by his devoted, torture loving supporters... his dangling balls straddling their wanting tongues.
    These extremist left wingers like a buck naked Nancy Pelosi and bare-ass Barney Frank jump in the bed and shit on is because they think it is horrible what Bush is doing.
    Now, Pelosi has to sleep in the same bed she shit on because she also knew about the heinous acts that were being done in our name by Bush & Co. She is doing the same thing as Bush, giving the green light to torture tactics administered by Americans. The only problem... no one supports Nancy Pelosi because we all know what a lying piece of shit she is and always has been. And we all feel that torturing people in the Name of America is NOT what America is all about.
    ...
    The only people making a political issue out of this are more than likely the same ones that licked George W, Bush's hairy ass for 8 years... although... no one admits it. They are now, 'Independents' all of a sudden. Just like the Milli Vanilli fans before the the whole Grammys thing... some one bought those CD... someone voted for Bush. But, no one is willing to admit to either.
    ...
    But, you were on the right track...
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Well I didn't vote for Bush, either time. Call it how you want but until about 2005 I was a strict voting Democrat. I even voted for Obama for Illinois Senate in 2004. But see in, or around 05 I got a little smarter with my vote. I decided I was going to vote as a taxpayer who was sick of waste, sick of lies, sick of both parties giving this country away, sick of illegal aliens, sick of Chicago politicians thinking they know what is best for my entire state. I could go on but it disgusts me what this state and country have become, it really is sad.

    Now I vote for the candidate. I also firmly believe anyone that votes blind party faith is a fool.

    on edit:
    Things are so bad here in Illinois that if my company gets what they want I'm going to be able to move to the 14th District in Texas, I can't wait for that day. I'll finally be represented by a politician that I believe in.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical

    I love it...suddenly Pelosi i the anti-Christ and the torture lovers want to send her to hell...as if she were the person conducting the water boarding....


    oh, the outrage...the OUTRAGE....

    the bed we've made, woe is me....!!!!! woe is me... :cry:
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    inmytree wrote:
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical

    I love it...suddenly Pelosi i the anti-Christ and the torture lovers want to send her to hell...as if she were the person conducting the water boarding....


    oh, the outrage...the OUTRAGE....

    the bed we've made, woe is me....!!!!! woe is me... :cry:
    ...
    I don't understand either... am I supposed to be outraged? Why?
    And does this mean that the people who supported the Bush/Cheney Administration are siding with Nancy Pelosi???
    I don't get it.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • gabers
    gabers Posts: 2,787
    inmytree wrote:
    Staceb10 wrote:
    Where's the uproar from the left around here??? Bush and Cheney are considered the anti-christ for things like this but Pelosi its like "oh it doesn't surprise me" lol typical

    I love it...suddenly Pelosi i the anti-Christ and the torture lovers want to send her to hell...as if she were the person conducting the water boarding....


    oh, the outrage...the OUTRAGE....

    the bed we've made, woe is me....!!!!! woe is me... :cry:

    Exactly! As if Pelosi might have actually known we were waterboarding it makes it all okay or something?! Bill Maher said it like this: "First, the Republicans denied they tortured, then they admitted it, and now they're trying to justify it by saying Nancy Pelosi said it was okay". How true.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    I think it has more to do with her hypocrisy and the fact that she wanted to have an investigation and put together a truth commission when she allegedly knew all along what methods were being used.

    I could be wrong :|
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I think it has more to do with her hypocrisy and the fact that she wanted to have an investigation and put together a truth commission when she allegedly knew all along what methods were being used.

    I could be wrong :|
    ...
    Wouldn't an investigation by a 'Truth Commission' ultimately reveal the truth that she knew of the torture? Wouldn't that be good thing?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Staceb10
    Staceb10 Posts: 675
    I'm not trying to justify anything. I have mixed feelings on the whole torture issue. However, I think its hypocritical of some to crucify Bush and Cheney and then act like it was no big surprise that Pelosi was involved as well when they have been acting like the Republican's are the "torture lovers".

    You can't say have your cake and eat it too. Wrong is wrong, no matter what side you are on.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Staceb10 wrote:
    I'm not trying to justify anything. I have mixed feelings on the whole torture issue. However, I think its hypocritical of some to crucify Bush and Cheney and then act like it was no big surprise that Pelosi was involved as well when they have been acting like the Republican's are the "torture lovers".

    You can't say have your cake and eat it too. Wrong is wrong, no matter what side you are on.

    I don't think it's hypocritical, I think the outrage has just died down. The masterminds behind designing, implementing, and defending it are gone. It's been brought to light. It's clear the public is appalled, and now heads are starting to roll. I don't think things would be any different if it was a Republican Senator or Rep under the gun about this at the moment. The fact is, the Bush admin pushed it, they're gone, and now people are starting to be held accountable. We won. You don't see anyone on the left defending Pelosi, do you? Because we're all satisfied that she, and everyone else that signed off on this, is going to get what's coming to them.

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