Pelosi knew about waterboarding... and denied it.

Cosmo

Staceb10 wrote:

I'm not trying to justify anything. I have mixed feelings on the whole torture issue. However, I think its hypocritical of some to crucify Bush and Cheney and then act like it was no big surprise that Pelosi was involved as well when they have been acting like the Republican's are the "torture lovers".

You can't say have your cake and eat it too. Wrong is wrong, no matter what side you are on.

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Who is doing this... other than sleazy ass politicians trying to back-peddle out of their decisions to side with the Bush/Cheney torture crowd?
Most people agree... Pelosi is a skank politician and a lying sack of shit. The only ones that seem to be up in arms about this Pelosi crap are the ones who supported these torture tactics. They act like Pelosi agreeing is like some sort of justification.
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And the wrong you are speaking of... are you saying it is wrong for people like Pelosi to agree with Bush Doctrine, then come up with a witch hunt that would reveal that she participated in these games... or that using tactics that are normally associated with people like the Soviet KGB, Nazi Gestapo and Vietnamese Jungle prisons are being green lighted in our names?

Staceb10

I'm saying that if you think it was wrong for Bush and Cheney to allow the torture then you have to think Pelosi is no better than them regardless of her political party. Again, I have mixed feelings on the torture issue. I have a hard time sympathizing with terrorrists being tortured but I also am uneasy about the possiblity that some of these people might not be terrorists.

Cosmo

Staceb10 wrote:

I'm saying that if you think it was wrong for Bush and Cheney to allow the torture then you have to think Pelosi is no better than them regardless of her political party. Again, I have mixed feelings on the torture issue. I have a hard time sympathizing with terrorrists being tortured but I also am uneasy about the possiblity that some of these people might not be terrorists.

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Which is exactly what most people (people who are not politicians) are saying... Bush/Cheney/Pelosi are all in the same bed. I don't know of many people defending Pelosi, except fellow politicians. Everyone here is in agreement... Pelosi is scum... just like Bush and Cheney.
And we all walk that line regarding torture... do we trade our reputaion as good-doers for our security? It isn't easy.
The one thing I hear mostly from the 'Any Means Necessary' crowd goes something like this...
If you have someone who knows about... insert some immediate threat here... and blah-blah-blah...
The basic flaw is the assumption that you KNOW that he knows the information you are seeking. The truth is... you don't know. And if he in fact, does not know anything... he is going to give you whatever he thinks you'll accept in order to get you to stop. Bad information that may end up using resources to chase down bogus threats.

puremagic

The Bush administration planned, executed, circumvented and broke the laws of the U.S. to justify and carry out the use of torture. No one 'allowed' them to torture.

Bush/Cheney, just like Boehner, Newt, and yes even Steele, knows that whatever Pelosi or any other member of Congress was told in those briefings could not be disclosed or they'd be subject to treason. Hell, even Cheney admits he doesn't know to what extent the details were shared with Pelosi, nor does the CIA.

This Pelosi show isn't about what she knew or even when she knew it. This is a political tactic taken straight out of Karl Rove's handbook on how to maneuver the players to get rid of a political obstacle, in this case, Pelosi as House Speaker?

I don't really care who gets caught in the mixing pot, screw the politics. The bottom line is that the United States of America admittedly used torture on prisoners held in their custody and, on their authorization in violation of the U.S. and International Treaty laws. This makes those that planned, executed and carried out these actions - war criminals. We can either clean it up ourselves or leave it to other nations to do it because the more Cheney talks, the more memos that come out, the more pictures that are leaked -all in the name of getting Pelosi- the evidence just piles higher to support the charge of war crimes.