Should Ms Cali have lost?
jlew24asu
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solely on her opinion of gay marriage?
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/perez-hilton- ... n/21528?nc
"The way miss California answered her question lost her the crown, without a doubt!" Perez told Access Hollywood after the pageant.
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keep in mind, Perez was a judge.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/perez-hilton- ... n/21528?nc
"The way miss California answered her question lost her the crown, without a doubt!" Perez told Access Hollywood after the pageant.
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keep in mind, Perez was a judge.
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Crap.
This woman gave her opinion/thoughts respectfully. Those are her beliefs - that's how she was raised. She respected the fact that people could choose and I think the judges should have respected her choice that it was not for her.
**still think these 'Miss' contests are rubbish too, though!**0 -
i don't watch pageants, and just saw this on the news in the breakroom, but with the sound too low to hear, besides...in passing....so i don't know what her answer was, nor do i watch you tube from work. i am going to guess tho, she is against gay marriage? if that is the case and she said as much AND...most importantly, said it shouldn't be legal here, then yes...i think she shoul'dve lost. it's not a question of expressing your personal beliefs - a-ok, but if she is to be miss america :roll: ...she is meant o represent america, and should put forth the most open attitude towards it's citizens, and sure....support equal rights for all, which is exactly what gay marriage legalization is ALL about. be against it personally, fine.....but to try and limit other freedoms, saying that's 'good'....not fine. however, i could be way off b/c i have no idea wtf she said. :P
poh i see now from redrock above, she DID say it's up to others? well then, yes...that's BS. she should NOT lose simply for expressing her personal beliefs while still agreeing to allow others the same rights. poor form on the judges then. then again, i think these pageants are ridiculous all the way round in any case.......
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redrock wrote:Crap.
This woman gave her opinion/thoughts respectfully. Those are her beliefs - that's how she was raised. She respected the fact that people could choose and I think the judges should have respected her choice that it was not for her.
**still think these 'Miss' contests are rubbish too, though!**
I completely agree.
and yes, decides, yes respectfully said she believes marriage should be between a man and a woman and respects the views of whom disagree with her. she wasnt implying others should feel the way she does.0 -
D2D - this is what she said : ""Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. Um, we live in a land that you can choose same sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman," Carrie said to a mix of boos and applause. "No offense to anybody out there. But that's how I was raised and that's how I think that it should be between a man and a woman.""
I think it's fair.0 -
Ok, I'll bite.
It wasn't that she's against gay marriage. 50% of her state is against gay marriage. It was that her answer was a very divisive one. Beauty Queens are supposed to be fence sitters on political issues. Her answer should have been about how we should try to find common ground. Not about how the homos aren't as good as her.
You think that Miss America really wants to be friends with Hugo Chavez when she says "I want world peace?" Don't be silly. They're supposed to give "feel good" answers to tough questions and stay away from controversy. THAT's what she was being tested on... if she could answer a tough question without taking a side.
But instead her answer was "In MY America..." pretty much telling the majority of the audience "Get out of my country, faggot."
When you have to follow up an answer at a beauty pageant with "no offense but that's how I was raised," you've given an answer not fitting of a Beauty Queen.
And you know what? When Britney Spears can stagger drunk into a wedding chapel in Vegas and get more rights that I have with my husband after 17 years together, there's something very wrong with the way things are.0 -
redrock wrote:She respected the fact that people could choose and I think the judges should have respected her choice that it was not for her.
Well except.. we CAN'T "choose." Because that choice is blocked from me. I would choose to marry my husband (we're married in Canada) so we could have a few rights and protections, but we can't. We can't "choose" to do anything other than sign a lease together and jump few lots of hoops to get a few legal protections that straight people take for granted.
And like I said.. she lost because she gave an answer that was not befitting of a Beauty Queen.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:thats bullshit. just because she is a beauty queen doesnt mean she isnt allowed an opinion. and I dont remember her saying "my" america.
She's allowed to give an opinion but the judges don't WANT someone who's going to stir the pot. They want someone who's going to be able to unite people and not cause controversy.
Hey, I'm just telling you why she lost. I don't give a rat's ass if she accepts my marriage or not.
And her words were "and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family.." which I took as "This is my country and if you want to live a way that I don't, get out."0 -
Ive seen several interviews since this happened and I gotta say that P. Hilton was way outta line on his blog.I mean wth he asked her one of the most controversial subjects on America right now and all she did was say that she felt that a TRADITIONAL MARRAIGE should be between a man and a woman. Also she's handled this incredibly well I think not one ounce of bitterness toward P.Hilton. I have a lot Of respect for this gal b/c she stood by her beliefs even if it did cost her the pageant.0
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Jasunmark wrote:
Well except.. we CAN'T "choose." Because that choice is blocked from me.
You may not be able to in your particular state but the question put to her was a general question and her response was such too.
Because Miss America has got that power.... :roll:Jasunmark wrote:They want someone who's going to be able to unite people a. "0 -
Jasunmark wrote:jlew24asu wrote:thats bullshit. just because she is a beauty queen doesnt mean she isnt allowed an opinion. and I dont remember her saying "my" america.
She's allowed to give an opinion but the judges don't WANT someone who's going to stir the pot. They want someone who's going to be able to unite people and not cause controversy.
Hey, I'm just telling you why she lost. I don't give a rat's ass if she accepts my marriage or not.
And her words were "and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family.." which I took as "This is my country and if you want to live a way that I don't, get out."
Im sure that's not what she meant :roll:0 -
Meh. Perez's job has always been to create a scene. It's why they brought him on board.
Yes, calling her a "dumb bitch" was probably out of line but that's his schtick. Not that I don't agree with him, mind you, but I'm not a judge (nor would I be).
People really have got to stop over-simplifying the whole issue. She lost not because she has an opinion but because the want title holders to be able to walk a thin line when giving answers. She failed that test.0 -
Jasunmark wrote:jlew24asu wrote:thats bullshit. just because she is a beauty queen doesnt mean she isnt allowed an opinion. and I dont remember her saying "my" america.
She's allowed to give an opinion but the judges don't WANT someone who's going to stir the pot. They want someone who's going to be able to unite people and not cause controversy.
Hey, I'm just telling you why she lost. I don't give a rat's ass if she accepts my marriage or not.
And her words were "and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family.." which I took as "This is my country and if you want to live a way that I don't, get out."
hmmm sounds like she kinda stumbled those words. but yes, I agree, saying my country was not a wise thing to say...if that is in fact what she meant to say.
that said, I dont think there is any political correct answer she could have given based on her beliefs. at the mire mention of her not being 110% behind gay marriage, Perez would have voted her out. and its not certainly doesnt sound fair to me0 -
redrock wrote:Jasunmark wrote:Because Miss America has got that power.... :roll:
Oh of course... it's ridiculous. I'm not defending the Contest system... it's stupid and out-dated. I'm just telling you what it's all about.
You need to understand that they have their traditions and giving a controversial answer isn't in keeping with it.0 -
Jasunmark wrote:Meh. Perez's job has always been to create a scene. It's why they brought him on board.
Yes, calling her a "dumb bitch" was probably out of line but that's his schtick. Not that I don't agree with him, mind you, but I'm not a judge (nor would I be).
People really have got to stop over-simplifying the whole issue. She lost not because she has an opinion but because the want title holders to be able to walk a thin line when giving answers. She failed that test.
but you cant walk a thin line with that question. its either you are for gay marriage or you aren't.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:Jasunmark wrote:And her words were "and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family.." which I took as "This is my country and if you want to live a way that I don't, get out."
Im sure that's not what she meant :roll:
Are you sure? Because I'm not. I've been told many times that if I don't like the laws I should "go back to Canada." I grew up in Canada and have citizenship but I was born in America and my father was a Sgt. in the Air Force during the Vietnam War. I have every right to live in this country.0 -
What if she had said this?
"Well I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. Um, we live in a land that you can choose inter-racial marriage or oppose inter-racial marriage and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a white man and a white woman," Carrie said to a mix of boos and applause. "No offense to anybody out there. But that's how I was raised and that's how I think that it should be between a white man and a white woman."
Would that be ok, cause it's her opinion?
It wasn't too long ago that that was the law.
Now with that said, I think Jasunmark is exactly correct. She inspired controversy and that is not befitting 'the queen', or whatever they call the winner of those things.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:hmmm sounds like she kinda stumbled those words. but yes, I agree, saying my country was not a wise thing to say...if that is in fact what she meant to say.
Which is why she lost points there.that said, I dont think there is any political correct answer she could have given based on her beliefs. at the mire mention of her not being 110% behind gay marriage, Perez would have voted her out. and its not certainly doesnt sound fair to me
Why? I can give an answer saying that I believe that all people should live the way they choose and couples should define their own relationships and that if people want to get married in a church and share their lives together that they should have that right even if it's not the way that I or other people would choose....
See? I just did it. And I'm a 40 year-old gay metalhead biker. Why can't a blond woman in heels do it?0 -
was interracial marriage really against the law?0
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jlew24asu wrote:but you cant walk a thin line with that question. its either you are for gay marriage or you aren't.
which is not the question she was asked. She wasn't asked for her opinion. But she gave it... losing her points in the over-all score.0
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