Should Ms Cali have lost?

WaveCameCrashin

sure is funny how now if you say you favor traditional marriage it's considered controversial. :? Not long ago if a contestant said she was for gay marriage that would have been controversial :shock:

Prince Of Dorkness

jlew24asu wrote:

was interracial marriage really against the law?

Yes. Up until the 60s. There were people who said that allowing inter-racial marriage would rip apart the fabric of society. When all it did was give us our new President.

Prince Of Dorkness

prfctlefts wrote:

sure is funny how now if you say you favor traditional marriage it's considered controversial. :? Not long ago if a contestant said she was for gay marriage that would have been controversial :shock:

Yup. Means my side is winning. (heehee)

Look... I dont' WANT to change religious marriage. Have it.. knock yourself out.

I just want the same protections under the law that you have. If my husband is injured, I want to be the one who chooses his treatment with the doctors and I want to be allowed into the hospital room to be with him. It's not fair that if he dies, I'll lose 50% of our belongings to taxes when straight people just... get the stuff.

It's not fair that if we were straight I'd be able to sponsor him for a green card but as it is... he could lose his work visa any time.

That's all we want. Just a few protections. We've been together for 17 years. it's not like we're trying to cheat the system.

jlew24asu

Jasunmark wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

hmmm sounds like she kinda stumbled those words. but yes, I agree, saying my country was not a wise thing to say...if that is in fact what she meant to say.

Which is why she lost points there.

fair enough.

Jasunmark wrote:

Why? I can give an answer saying that I believe that all people should live the way they choose and couples should define their own relationships and that if people want to get married in a church and share their lives together that they should have that right even if it's not the way that I or other people would choose....


See? I just did it. And I'm a 40 year-old gay metalhead biker. Why can't a blond woman in heels do it?

because she doesnt have those beliefs. I guess I dont know for sure, but it sounds like she doesnt believe a gays should be able to marry.

and for the record, I'm for gay marriage. seems very un-American to me to not allow gays to marry. that said, I still don't think she should have lost based solely on her beliefs. even if they arent "pageant-like" ...and that appears to be the case.

jlew24asu

Jasunmark wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

was interracial marriage really against the law?

Yes. Up until the 60s. There were people who said that allowing inter-racial marriage would rip apart the fabric of society. When all it did was give us our new President.

thats fucked up but I guess I'm not surprised.

jlew24asu

Jasunmark wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

sure is funny how now if you say you favor traditional marriage it's considered controversial. :? Not long ago if a contestant said she was for gay marriage that would have been controversial :shock:

Yup. Means my side is winning. (heehee)

Look... I dont' WANT to change religious marriage. Have it.. knock yourself out.

I just want the same protections under the law that you have. If my husband is injured, I want to be the one who chooses his treatment with the doctors and I want to be allowed into the hospital room to be with him. It's not fair that if he dies, I'll lose 50% of our belongings to taxes when straight people just... get the stuff.

It's not fair that if we were straight I'd be able to sponsor him for a green card but as it is... he could lose his work visa any time.

That's all we want. Just a few protections. We've been together for 17 years. it's not like we're trying to cheat the system.

and I want you to have the same access to divorce lawyers and court battles for the half the house and car.

jlew24asu

Jasunmark wrote:

Meh. Perez's job has always been to create a scene. It's why they brought him on board.

Yes, calling her a "dumb bitch" was probably out of line but that's his schtick. Not that I don't agree with him, mind you, but I'm not a judge (nor would I be).

People really have got to stop over-simplifying the whole issue. She lost not because she has an opinion but because the want title holders to be able to walk a thin line when giving answers. She failed that test.

I think Perez's reaction has really hurt your cause btw.

Cosmo

Well... in my opinion... anything that has Perez Hilton as a judge is invalidated because of the fact that it has Perez Hilton as a judge.
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I say, get rid of this lame Miss America, Miss Universe, Miss Conception bullshit altogether. Have them compete is something worthwhile... like educational plans to curb teen pregnancy... or naked chocolate pudding wrestling.

WaveCameCrashin

Jasunmark wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

sure is funny how now if you say you favor traditional marriage it's considered controversial. :? Not long ago if a contestant said she was for gay marriage that would have been controversial :shock:

Yup. Means my side is winning. (heehee)

Look... I dont' WANT to change religious marriage. Have it.. knock yourself out.

I just want the same protections under the law that you have. If my husband is injured, I want to be the one who chooses his treatment with the doctors and I want to be allowed into the hospital room to be with him. It's not fair that if he dies, I'll lose 50% of our belongings to taxes when straight people just... get the stuff.

It's not fair that if we were straight I'd be able to sponsor him for a green card but as it is... he could lose his work visa any time.

That's all we want. Just a few protections. We've been together for 17 years. it's not like we're trying to cheat the system.

Man you guys got it good ..you dont have to go through all the B.S. of a divorce. alimony,house,kids,ect..

Prince Of Dorkness

And of course.. let's not forget the REAL issue here.

Nobody gave a shit about the Miss USA pageant (this wasn't the Miss America Pageant but it's ghetto, low-budget version) until after the show and the ratings prove that.

This is just another chance to blame a gay man for something. It's the faggot's fault that the pretty blonde girl lost the prize. It gives people a chance to demonize a Hollywood Gossip Blogger and paint the whole gay community with that brush.. I mean even in this thread I've been told that Perez didn't do "my cause" any help, which says to me "all you homos are in this together and if you want to dine at the grown up table with us you better be nice."

I don't think that's how it was meant here, but I'm sick of being told that I don't have equality because I'm rude or I'm not kissing the right asses.

WaveCameCrashin

Seriously what's wrong with having civil unions with all the same things as traditional marriage :?

Prince Of Dorkness

prfctlefts wrote:

Man you guys got it good ..you dont have to go through all the B.S. of a divorce. alimony,house,kids,ect..

What makes you think I don't have a house or kids? We've been together for 17 years, you think we still have separate bank accounts and live in separate bachelor apartments?

We've been together for 17 years. Just because straight people don't take commitments seriously doesn't mean I shouldn't get equal rights.

Prince Of Dorkness

prfctlefts wrote:

Seriously what's wrong with having civil unions with all the same things as traditional marriage :?

Tell you what. You go to your local park on a Sunday next June. Walk up to every straight married couple getting their pictures taken and say "why did you bother? Why can't you just have a civil union?"

Come back and tell me what they say.

"Separate but equal" has never worked.

WaveCameCrashin

Jasunmark wrote:

And of course.. let's not forget the REAL issue here.

Nobody gave a shit about the Miss USA pageant (this wasn't the Miss America Pageant but it's ghetto, low-budget version) until after the show and the ratings prove that.

This is just another chance to blame a gay man for something. It's the faggot's fault that the pretty blonde girl lost the prize. It gives people a chance to demonize a Hollywood Gossip Blogger and paint the whole gay community with that brush.. I mean even in this thread I've been told that Perez didn't do "my cause" any help, which says to me "all you homos are in this together and if you want to dine at the grown up table with us you better be nice."

I don't think that's how it was meant here, but I'm sick of being told that I don't have equality because I'm rude or I'm not kissing the right asses.

No body said you couldn't have eqaulity,and I dont think anybody here is trying to demonize the gay community. If anybody get's demonized it's the people who believe it should be between a man and a woman. Either your a bigot or a homophobe. :?

WaveCameCrashin

Jasunmark wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Seriously what's wrong with having civil unions with all the same things as traditional marriage :?

Tell you what. You go to your local park on a Sunday next June. Walk up to every straight married couple getting their pictures taken and say "why did you bother? Why can't you just have a civil union?"

Come back and tell me what they say.

"Separate but equal" has never worked.

do you really want me answer that ? :roll:

Prince Of Dorkness

prfctlefts wrote:

No body said you couldn't have eqaulity

Um.. 51% of the state of california voted to take AWAY by equality. LOTS of people say I can't have equality.

Like I said, when Britney Spears can stagger drunk into a Vegas chapel and get more rights than we have after 17 years.. we don't have equality.

Prince Of Dorkness

prfctlefts wrote:

do you really want me answer that ? :roll:

Of course I do.

If "civil unions" are just the same as marriage, why don't straight people want them? Why is it that "pretty much the same only different" thing especially for the gays?

jlew24asu

Jasunmark wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

do you really want me answer that ? :roll:

Of course I do.

If "civil unions" are just the same as marriage, why don't straight people want them? Why is it that "pretty much the same only different" thing especially for the gays?

whats the difference between a civil union and marriage?

Jimmydean55

prfctlefts wrote:

sure is funny how now if you say you favor traditional marriage it's considered controversial. :? Not long ago if a contestant said she was for gay marriage that would have been controversial :shock:

It's evolution baby!

Brain of J.Lo

Jasunmark wrote:

Ok, I'll bite.

It wasn't that she's against gay marriage. 50% of her state is against gay marriage. It was that her answer was a very divisive one. Beauty Queens are supposed to be fence sitters on political issues. Her answer should have been about how we should try to find common ground. Not about how the homos aren't as good as her.

You think that Miss America really wants to be friends with Hugo Chavez when she says "I want world peace?" Don't be silly. They're supposed to give "feel good" answers to tough questions and stay away from controversy. THAT's what she was being tested on... if she could answer a tough question without taking a side.

But instead her answer was "In MY America..." pretty much telling the majority of the audience "Get out of my country, faggot."

When you have to follow up an answer at a beauty pageant with "no offense but that's how I was raised," you've given an answer not fitting of a Beauty Queen.




And you know what? When Britney Spears can stagger drunk into a wedding chapel in Vegas and get more rights that I have with my husband after 17 years together, there's something very wrong with the way things are.

I like your answer! I agree, wholeheartedly...especially with the last sentence. (I'm really fucking sick of assholes, like my married-4-times brother, whining about the sanctity of marriage and what god intended... Ugh.) Furthermore, Miss Whateverthefuck...USA or America or whatever she is called is supposed to be a goodwill figurehead of sorts, regardless of her personal feelings on controversial issues. I recognize that people aren't always going to agree on everything, but she could have given her answer in a more diplomatic way.