Why does everyone hate 10C???

Alessiana wrote:

eldarion75 wrote:

everyone overseas who ordered the delux edition got ripped for an extra $100 almost for the delivery of the thing off UPS! on TOP of the $50 shipping they paid!
in fairness overseas fans get ripped on more than US members.

Be glad you have one. I don't have one because I DIDN'T order from ten club. I will never be that stupid again, ever. I'm at wit's end over what I'm going to do now.

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You're at wit's end because you didn't order a deluxe edition from the 10 club? Why not go to a local store or one of the many online stores to buy one?

Yeah, your title sucks and nothing could be further from the truth.

A very small % of members complain. They just do it loud. You don't see 100's of positive threads cause people are way more apt to speak up when upset.

You have the nicest restaurant in the world and you get a 90% to 10% bad comments to good. Why, cause people leave happy and quiet when everything is good, but scream, shout and complain when something upsets them.

Just human nature.

When every people's emotions flare up and they don't get something they are going to whine and bitch. Those people are ridiculous, but they are not everyone, more like hardly anyone.

I think 10c did a great job and tried to address some of the problems from last year. They worked their arses off and deserve alot of credit for a hard job and keeping things so organized. I didn't win but am happy for those who did and hope I'll be able to get tickets somehow. Thanks 10c for all your efforts.

Its such a tough balance.

You have a huge fan club, with folks who have been in it longer, and in some cases, much longer than others.
So you get the age old 'seniority/member # argument'.

Then you have people who are in front of a computer more than others when tickets 'hit', or are more aware of 10c news. I have the benefit of logging on from work, but others dont and may get shut out for that.

You also have issues of the most important entity: The band. Where they play doesnt please everyone, how much they charge will be too much for a percentage of people, etc... You get 10 shows in the Greater Boston area, then one time you see a show in Portland or Providence and people from Port/Prov get shut out because everyone from Boston is quicker.

All factors combined, there is going to be a large-sized sect unhappy and complaining. Everyone spends their $20 a year and we all think we are entitled to the highest level, red carpet treatment. Especially those with low member #'s because, well, they have a case.




I personally think they do a great job. If they had one policy, it would exclude a greater number of fans exclusively. 10c changing these policies up, allows for everyone to get into a decent number of shows with great seats. I have been a member since 03, and being a member and paying about $100 or so total in membership fees, allowed me ONE opportunity to sit 3 rows away from EV at a solo show last year. Right there, it paid for itself. Thats excluding all the other opportunities/26th row 10c tix Ive gotten/merch sales/etc... Im sure 90% of the 10c who have been around since 03 or earlier has at least one great night as a result of the 10c and their ticket policies. A lot of folks may have too many to count.

eldarion75 wrote:

everyone overseas who ordered the delux edition got ripped for an extra $100 almost for the delivery of the thing off UPS! on TOP of the $50 shipping they paid!
in fairness overseas fans get ripped on more than US members.

that is not the 10C's fault. personally i think the 10C is one of the most fan oriented fan clubs out there.

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It's interesting to see that the focus of assocation here is the 10c and the EV solo show ticket sale. This thread is about 10c and dissatisfaction. Various issues that have been commented on past/present regarding 10c -

1. Poor follow through, or issues of continuity - Online bootleg program, "holiday" single being timely
2. Not providing promised issues of newsletter in the past
3. Lack of full disclosure regarding products - specifically SDE, would as many people have bought it knowing Drop in the Park was not complete? the scare of there not being enough copies of SDE
4. Lack of information - I just tried to find a description of the 10c membership benefits off of the links from the main page, I tried for 5 minutes and could not find it because it isn't there, no descrption for the renewal in the Goods Section either
5. Limited listing of memebership benefits so as to reduce responsibility, if it doesn't say "2 Newsletters per year" they don't have to fulfill their obligation

There are lots of things 10c does right. I like the basic format of the EV ticket sale. I don't really agree with posting the information with the start of the presale even though it did run for 2 days. As a paying member, I would have preferred an email 2 days prior to the sale saying you would have 2 days to buy tickets, I think that would have further reduced their server getting hammered. The internet connection issues of the past appear to be improving, but it remains to be seen how the server will handle a full tilt presale for a full band tour. It's hard to find fault with the 10c now that they have lowered the bar and made the membership description so vague. I realize I have the choice to not renew my memebership, I also realize I have the right as a paying 10c member to express my satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the service provided. It's just like any other service, you expect to receive what is advertised/promised, much like a haircut or a car repair.

the 10c does what it can to take care of us-I truly believe that
there are screw ups along the way like the Hartford ticket debacle

THEY HOOK US UP large with respect to tickets, and work hard to do so. That is enough for me. The xmas single, the merch issues don't really mean much to me. That stuff is just gravy.

At the end of the day the only real complaint I have is that they are slow with releasing tour information.
We ALWAYS find out somewhere else first and they could end the endless speculation by just giving us a bit more information as to what is planned. But even that is minor.

The more that's given, the more people want. In that sense, all the criticism, which I personally find extremely annoying, is a sort of back-handed compliment.

I pay my yearly membership fee.

I get the holiday single.
I get the newsletters.
I get whatever else I get.
I paid the big bucks for the super deluxe edition. It wasn't autographed, but it wasn't a big deal.
I haven't seen the band live since 2003, but it's not a big deal. When I saw them, it was my first year, and I was almost in the back....I couldn't believe all those people in front of me were 10C.

My member number is 279XXX, but do I give a shit? No.

I'm just happy the band is around and continually putting out product that isn't shit.