Fox News / Red Eye - i feel sorry for my American friends

JT103466 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

doin'the-evolution wrote:

1) because of the mass media that obviously pumps ethnocentric ignorant stereotypes and stupid information into the minds of the weaker, ignorant people...
2) because idiots like that who make Americans look bad and ignorant and ethnocentric and gives all Americans the reputation that they have...

please... most Americans can think for themselves. the last thing we need is Canadians feeling sorry for us or any other country for that matter. Also if you dont like O'Reilly its ok I respect your opinion, but the man is no idiot . Hot head yes but definitely not an idiot He was the only person besides Tim Russert who asked real questions when he interviewed Hillary, Obama, and Mccain. Most people wouldn't stand a chance in a debate with bill especially in this forum .

I take exception with you mentioning Tim Russert and Bill O'Reilly together as if they are birds of a feather. Russert was a fantastic objective journalist that was able to pin down his interview subjects with difficult, but respectful questions. He sought to get to the heart of the matter and asked the questions we all wanted answered. When people went onto his show, they knew they would be tested, but not unfairly slammed. On the other hand, O'Reilly is a self-loving, self-promoting hothead with a partisan agenda. He calls anyone that does not agree with his opinion a pinhead and gives his guest no respect, unless they fall in line and agree with his conservative slant. I disagree that others can't hold their own with Bill in a debate - they could in a real debate where a question is posed and both parties are given time to respond. When others fail in a so-called "debate" is when they are pitted against him on his show. In that format, he asks his guest a loaded question, then before they can respond, he disrespectfully talks over them and makes his point. That is NOT a debate.

I was greatly saddened by Russert's passing. It was a huge loss for objective journalism and I have yet to see a replacement for him emerge. He was a class act. O'Reilly has moments when he actually sounds like a real journalist, but they are quickly cut short by his unyielding, unobjective partisan slant - the axe he feels he has to grind on every show.

The closest we have to another Russert today is Jon Stewart, host of the 30 minute comedic talk show, "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart". While Stewart says he would rather be cracking fart jokes, it shows you how poorly our news media is serving the public when Comedy Central does a better job of investigative reporting than do the news media. Watch his recent interview with Jim Cramer as well as others, including O'Reilly.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

you say that fox news lies but yet you cant give one example can you? all you can do is bitch and moan wah wah wah

:roll: A few recent examples of lies from Fox News:

Discussing what he claimed was evidence of "the biggest power grab," Hannity falsely asserted, "They have asked for, in just the last week, the Obama administration, the right to limit executive pay even for companies that are not getting a bailout." In fact, in his March 24 written testimony before the House Financial Services Committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner made clear that in referring to restrictions on employee compensation, he was talking only about "financial institutions that are receiving government assistance." Indeed, during the March 24 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs explicitly rejected the claim that the administration sought to "put a cap" on executive salaries at firms not receiving bailout funds, stating: "There are not plans to do something broad like that."

**why dont you post where you got your info from Im sure it's from a far left web site

Neil Cavuto and Bret Baier falsely claimed that the Employee Free Choice Act would, in Baier's words, "do away with the secret ballot in votes to unionize." In fact, as The Christian Science Monitor noted, EFCA would give "workers a choice of forming a union through majority sign-up ... or an election by secret ballot."

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Recently, they aired a clip of Joe Biden saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong". You might remember those words that, essentially, ended McCain's hopes for the presidency... Fox used it to point out that the Obama administration was now using those exact words and to underscore that McCain had, apparently, been correct when he made that assertion last September. However, the footage they were showing that featured Joe Biden saying those words was from a campaign event, during which Joe Biden was quoting John McCain. Oops! They got caught and had to apologize on air. I'm sure it was an honest mistake. :roll:

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Not sure if you've been following the bullshit about thinkprogress.org that O'Rielly is pushing, but he is clearly in the wrong.

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Fox News aired a promotion for a broadcast of Hannity that falsely claimed: "Obama pushes a plan that could force vets to pay through the roof for health coverage." In fact, the White House has stated it does not support a provision previously under consideration that would have billed military veterans' private insurance companies for treatment of their combat-related injuries performed at Veterans Administration hospitals.

There are many more examples, but I'm bored.

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

you say that fox news lies but yet you cant give one example can you? all you can do is bitch and moan wah wah wah

:roll: A few recent examples of lies from Fox News:

Discussing what he claimed was evidence of "the biggest power grab," Hannity falsely asserted, "They have asked for, in just the last week, the Obama administration, the right to limit executive pay even for companies that are not getting a bailout." In fact, in his March 24 written testimony before the House Financial Services Committee, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner made clear that in referring to restrictions on employee compensation, he was talking only about "financial institutions that are receiving government assistance." Indeed, during the March 24 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs explicitly rejected the claim that the administration sought to "put a cap" on executive salaries at firms not receiving bailout funds, stating: "There are not plans to do something broad like that."

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Neil Cavuto and Bret Baier falsely claimed that the Employee Free Choice Act would, in Baier's words, "do away with the secret ballot in votes to unionize." In fact, as The Christian Science Monitor noted, EFCA would give "workers a choice of forming a union through majority sign-up ... or an election by secret ballot."

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Recently, they aired a clip of Joe Biden saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong". You might remember those words that, essentially, ended McCain's hopes for the presidency... Fox used it to point out that the Obama administration was now using those exact words and to underscore that McCain had, apparently, been correct when he made that assertion last September. However, the footage they were showing that featured Joe Biden saying those words was from a campaign event, during which Joe Biden was quoting John McCain. Oops! They got caught and had to apologize on air. I'm sure it was an honest mistake. :roll:

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Not sure if you've been following the bullshit about thinkprogress.org that O'Rielly is pushing, but he is clearly in the wrong.

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Fox News aired a promotion for a broadcast of Hannity that falsely claimed: "Obama pushes a plan that could force vets to pay through the roof for health coverage." In fact, the White House has stated it does not support a provision previously under consideration that would have billed military veterans' private insurance companies for treatment of their combat-related injuries performed at Veterans Administration hospitals.

There are many more examples, but I'm bored.

prfctlefts wrote:

It sure is funny how so many people mostly under 30 bash fox news all the time ,but never give any thing specific. If fox news is so bad why do they trump every other cable news network when it comes to ratings? Why did more Americans watch fox including Democrats during all the campaign coverage ? Is because maybe they are fair and balanced.Is it becuase they don't traffic in hate all the time like some of the other networks?

ledvedderman wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

No I wont bash thee BBC because I dont watch it nor will I.1. reason is I live in the states. there fore Im not going to say that they are biased because I have no proof. and I could really care less where you get your info from,but when you accuse fox of spewing hate you are so wrong. you probably cant even get fox where you live or if you can you probley have never even watched it. So here's my point I dont criticise you for where you get your news from so dot criticise me and when you post links to far left web sites to prove your theroy it does nothing but disprove it.

I have watched Fox. Call me glutten for punishment but I enjoy catching the views of the opposing side. That's why I turn on Fox News, which yes...I get where I live, whatever that means. That's why I turn on 1120 KMOX on my lunch hour and listen to Rush. They do spew hate. MSNBC spews hate. People like you only watch Fox because they tell you what you want to hear. I agree with a lot of what is said on MSNBC, but I don't watch it. Even though I would like what I hear, I want the news some some blabber mouth like Matthews, Olbermann, O'Reilly, or Hannity giving me their opinion dressed as actual news.

ChasingDogma wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

It sure is funny how so many people mostly under 30 bash fox news all the time ,but never give any thing specific. If fox news is so bad why do they trump every other cable news network when it comes to ratings? Why did more Americans watch fox including Democrats during all the campaign coverage ? Is because maybe they are fair and balanced.Is it becuase they don't traffic in hate all the time like some of the other networks?

I think they call it pack mentality. Just because something is popular doesn't make it reputable, or fair and balanced. American Idol is highly popular but most sane people with decent taste will agree that it's tripe.
The problem with Fox News is that the majority of the "news" is opinion...and the majority of those opinions are right wing. Sure they will have some lefty on there every now and then... like Alan Colmes...but all of their prime timers are right wingers.
And, yeah..MSNBC is just as crappy in it's slant to the left.
I still cannot see where CNN is slanted one way or the other.

prfctlefts wrote:

ChasingDogma wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

It sure is funny how so many people mostly under 30 bash fox news all the time ,but never give any thing specific. If fox news is so bad why do they trump every other cable news network when it comes to ratings? Why did more Americans watch fox including Democrats during all the campaign coverage ? Is because maybe they are fair and balanced.Is it becuase they don't traffic in hate all the time like some of the other networks?

I think they call it pack mentality. Just because something is popular doesn't make it reputable, or fair and balanced. American Idol is highly popular but most sane people with decent taste will agree that it's tripe.
The problem with Fox News is that the majority of the "news" is opinion...and the majority of those opinions are right wing. Sure they will have some lefty on there every now and then... like Alan Colmes...but all of their prime timers are right wingers.
And, yeah..MSNBC is just as crappy in it's slant to the left.
I still cannot see where CNN is slanted one way or the other.

I think you are comparing apples to oranges. People watch American Idol for entertainment .People watch the news to get information ,ratings mean everything when it comes down to it in the world of broadcasting.If a networks ratings are down it means people aren't watching and that means sponsors are not going to waste their money on a network or show that nobody is watching. Fox's ratings have gone up 30% every year for the past 8 years.
I do agree with you some as far as opinions being right leaning, but if you look at there prime time line up you will see that it's not all right wing. Starting with Glenn beck(libertarian) Special report has a panel of 4 that always divided with 2 from both sides, studio B is usually hosted by Shepard Smith and he doesn't give his opinion he just reports the days top stories.Next you have the one everyone seems to love Mr. Bill,He has said many times he is a traditionalist, his show is based on facts BACKED UP BY HIS OPINION.If more people took the time to do their own research sometimes you would see that he is more liberal on some issues.Like gay marriage,marijuana (thinks it should be decriminalized) he doesn't believe in the death penalty. and most people that dont like him usually have never even watched his show or they get info from far left web sites that take stories out of context. like Media Matters,Huffington Post,Daily KOs, which are all funded by the likes of George Soros.
Sean Hannity Is a conservative and there's no denying that, but yet again He always has guest from both sides weigh in on whatever the topic may be.He also has a segment called the great American panel which has guest from all walks of life.
I do agree with you some about CNN.However they do seem to lean to the left but that's fine at least they dont traffic in hate like some of the other netnetworks.

prfctlefts wrote:

well what I consider hate is like all the personal attacks towards republicans or anyone that disagrees with someone like Mathews, Olbermann, Norah O'Donnell, Morris Reid. Especially leading up to the election. some of the things they said about Sarah Palin IMO just wasn't necessary. Its fine if you want to disagree with a candidates policies but all the personal attacks to me is pointless.