Is Vedder The Only Decent Songwriter Left In PJ?

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  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Eddie's songs on Avocado are easily the weakest, lamest songs on the album. The dude does not walk on water.
  • Alessiana
    Alessiana Posts: 329
    Timmortal wrote:
    I think the next studio album should be a 7 disc box set, in thiis box theres a disc for each member to showcase there song writing and art skills with the WHOLE band playing on each of the discs and then the seventh disc be full of songs written by all the members together!!! Out of that whole box guaranteed the 7th disc will be the groundbreaking relative innovative disc of the bunch!!! then we can start a thread on here trashing each one of them as it seems to be a common trend to criticise everything they did and didnt do!! Seriously people looking through the posts on here I have to wonder how many real PEARL JAM fans are on here!!???!!! Better yet maybe they should release a blank disc you can write them an album and send it to them since you seem to know so much about whats good and whats not. Last time I checked music was a art form a type of expression if you want to be competitive and see whos better then the turn you CD player off and go watch some sports and go clog there message boards with yer negativity!!! The next album shouldnt even have credit they should have a 10 club contest guess who wrote what!!

    I'd say that's pretty warranted.

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  • SLH916
    SLH916 Posts: 132
    JWBusher wrote:
    Eddie's songs on Avocado are easily the weakest, lamest songs on the album. The dude does not walk on water.
    No one said that he walked on water. I merely said that he is the best songwriter in the band. Which song(s) on S/T did not have a contribution from Eddie Vedder?

    And WWS is the best song on the album, both musically and lyrically.
  • PJamGrunge10
    PJamGrunge10 California Posts: 596
    I think it's pretty much a proven fact that Stone is the top writer in the band when it comes to music.
    Stone Gossard...riffmeister extraordinaire!

    I am a man, I am advanced.....I am the first man to borrow Stone's leather pants!
  • Niko80
    Niko80 Posts: 1,613
    SLH916 wrote:
    No one said that he walked on water. I merely said that he is the best songwriter in the band. Which song(s) on S/T did not have a contribution from Eddie Vedder?

    And WWS is the best song on the album, both musically and lyrically.

    I like wws alot too!

    Eddie is the clearly the best songwriter of the bunch. The other guys seems to agree when someone like Stone says that the band is ready to hit the studio when Eddie calls them in... Taken from the KROCK interview if I remember correct.
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    SLH916 wrote:

    And WWS is the best song on the album, both musically and lyrically.

    Nah, joint worst with Gone.....


    This is why I love The Porch.....
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  • Mine
    Mine Posts: 556
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    I think it's pretty much a proven fact that Stone is the top writer in the band when it comes to music.
    Just.....no. Deal with it.
    I knew who I was before other people started telling me who I was. J.Joplin
  • Mine
    Mine Posts: 556
    Cropduster84 wrote:
    Nah, joint worst with Gone.....


    This is why I love The Porch.....
    Just because people on The Porch don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad song. It hurts but it's true.

    Btw Eddie is the only one who ever got high profile songwriting jobs outside PJ.
    There was a semi scandal about why Eddie didn't bring the other members on the ITW project. Do you people really believe Sean Penn (or any other musician working on the score) would let them near it?
    Just because Stone wrote a couple of big riffs doesn't mean he is a good songwriter. Everybody who ever touched a musical instrument can do it.
    Mr Ament have said himself he regrets pushing for some of his songs in the past.

    Time for a reality check people.
    I knew who I was before other people started telling me who I was. J.Joplin
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Mine wrote:
    Just because people on The Porch don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad song. It hurts but it's true.

    Lol.

    :D

    I was refering to that fact this place can have such wide ranging opinions.....

    I love some Eddie songs - I Am Mine for one.....but WWS side just does not do it for me.....
    'The more I studied religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.' - Sir Richard Francis Burton
  • firstquartermoon
    firstquartermoon Posts: 103
    Are we all forgetting that they're a band? They all contribute to all the songs, and if it works, it stays in, if not, it's out. To say one or the other is better is just plain stupid. They're a band, live with it.

    I also find it amusing all the: "I don't like the music or lyrics from Pearl Jam, but I'm a huge fan." I'll admit I don't like all the songs, but can you really say that you don't like an entire songwriter's catalogue and say you're a fan? I don't think it makes sense. Anyway, my double-pennys.
  • Niko80
    Niko80 Posts: 1,613
    firstquartermoon wrote:
    Are we all forgetting that they're a band? They all contribute to all the songs, and if it works, it stays in, if not, it's out. To say one or the other is better is just plain stupid. They're a band, live with it.

    I also find it amusing all the: "I don't like the music or lyrics from Pearl Jam, but I'm a huge fan." I'll admit I don't like all the songs, but can you really say that you don't like an entire songwriter's catalogue and say you're a fan? I don't think it makes sense. Anyway, my double-pennys.

    I find it interesting that no one is commenting on what I brought up about Stone waiting and hanging around for Eddie to call them in. What does this tell us? Eddie is the big contributer and tallest voice in pearl jam, and the one the other members seems to rely on. Wouldn't that make him the best songwriter from an objective point of view? He is constantly writing and producing great material.

    Yes, they are a band. But they are also five individuals each bringing different stuff to the table. If I was going to create a band and had every band member in pj sending me his CV, I would consider myself a fool not to hire Eddie!

    The others are awsome no doubt. I just feel Eddie has proven himself way above the others in terms of songwriting. I bet you all the guys in pearl jam will agree.
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  • SLH916
    SLH916 Posts: 132
    Niko80 wrote:
    I find it interesting that no one is commenting on what I brought up about Stone waiting and hanging around for Eddie to call them in. What does this tell us? Eddie is the big contributer and tallest voice in pearl jam, and the one the other members seems to rely on. Wouldn't that make him the best songwriter from an objective point of view? He is constantly writing and producing great material.

    Yes, they are a band. But they are also five individuals each bringing different stuff to the table. If I was going to create a band and had every band member in pj sending me his CV, I would consider myself a fool not to hire Eddie!

    The others are awsome no doubt. I just feel Eddie has proven himself way above the others in terms of songwriting. I bet you all the guys in pearl jam will agree.
    You're right about that. Stone has said it in more than one interview. And even Jeff has said that Eddie is a good enough songwriter that he would be happy with albums that had only Eddie Vedder tunes. But I think that the band is stronger for the collaborations. It gives the albums variety and texture. But most of the tunes written by the others without the collaboration of Eddie are not usually very good, or at least not very memorable. Of course, opinions differ, and some may love these tunes.

    And if I say that Eddie is the best songwriter, I'm not dissing any of the other members. They are all very talented. It is just an undeniable fact, and I don't think that any of the members would disagree with this.
  • Niko80
    Niko80 Posts: 1,613
    SLH916 wrote:
    You're right about that. Stone has said it in more than one interview. And even Jeff has said that Eddie is a good enough songwriter that he would be happy with albums that had only Eddie Vedder tunes. But I think that the band is stronger for the collaborations. It gives the albums variety and texture. But most of the tunes written by the others without the collaboration of Eddie are not usually very good, or at least not very memorable. Of course, opinions differ, and some may love these tunes.

    And if I say that Eddie is the best songwriter, I'm not dissing any of the other members. They are all very talented. It is just an undeniable fact, and I don't think that any of the members would disagree with this.

    I think many people reject to this because of fear that the band will split. Many here scream and plead that pearl jam must never break up and the slightest rumor has them on their toes. I am one of those too, but right now I find myself appreciating itw album more than S/T. This leaves me wanting more from Ed!

    I hope Eddie continues to venture out of pj from time to time to explore his side as a solo artist. I bet he has a lot to offer that is difficult for him to do with pearl jam.
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  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    Army & Navy wrote:
    I'm beginning to feel that way..

    If the next album was 80-90% words & music by Eddie Vedder. Would that be such a bad thing?


    That would be amazing if it was 80 - 90% Eddie's words and music in my opinion
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • Alessiana
    Alessiana Posts: 329
    firstquartermoon wrote:
    I'll admit I don't like all the songs, but can you really say that you don't like an entire songwriter's catalogue and say you're a fan? I don't think it makes sense. Anyway, my double-pennys.

    Wouldn't it depend on the quantity?

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  • firstquartermoon
    firstquartermoon Posts: 103
    Alessiana wrote:
    Wouldn't it depend on the quantity?

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    quantity of what?

    I see people on here who admit to liking only one or two songs. What's the point of coming here? That's what I'm asking.
  • ArtMars
    ArtMars Posts: 109
    Army & Navy wrote:
    I thought I should back up my original post..Don't get me wrong, I think as live musicians and players, the rest of PJ are top notch. No-one can catch them, but since 2000 I just think Vedder is not only writing 60% of all the material but that 60% is the best stuff...I mean take:

    Insiginicance
    Greivance
    I Am Mine
    Parting Ways
    Severed Hand
    Worldwide Suicide
    Man of The Hour
    Undone
    Can't Keep
    Green Disease
    Sad
    Education

    Can anyone deny, that list contains their best songs this decade?

    Nope...can't agree with you there. I honestly think Eddie and Stone are best when they collaborate. And Inside Job is my favorite Pearl Jam song of the past decade.....followed closely by Severed Hand. And you left Love Boat Captain off that list by the way. I've never liked the name, but there's no denying that it is a great song and the best off Riot Act!
  • ArtMars
    ArtMars Posts: 109
    Though Ed is my favorite member...there would be no Pearl Jam without Jeff and Stone.....and even Mike and Matt!
  • laurababy0105
    laurababy0105 Posts: 32
    Army & Navy wrote:
    I'm beginning to feel that way..

    If the next album was 80-90% words & music by Eddie Vedder. Would that be such a bad thing?

    Then it wouldn't be Pearl Jam, would it?
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  • Horos
    Horos Posts: 4,518
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    I think it's pretty much a proven fact that Stone is the top writer in the band when it comes to music.
    I agree!
    #FHP

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