the day that Ed is the only one contributing is the day that PJ ends IMO... it was said in SVT that the only thing that kept PJ together during the rough times was everyone coming together and adding their own to great albums like no code and yield... and quite frankly im not crazy about ITW when you compare it to what the band has done together...
If Eddie had complete control over the band he probably would dismiss them all as inferior humans and hire a supergroup. This supergroup would consist of Geddy Lee on Bass, or no Michael Anthony that van halen guy... now on guitar, Tom Morello...or that one guy from that one band.....
Shut up, if PJ were just Eddie it would not be too interesting for too long. Do people really think all of ed's songs are solely his ideas, no one in the band helps to shape them? They are a band, a great one.
I think its awesome that everyone in the band contributes, but I do think that Eddie Jeff and Stone are the best team of writers.
I would prefer if they handled the bulk of the song writing duties but also allow a couple of songs from Matt and Mike if they are up to par.
I have always dreamed of a groundbreaking studio album from Pearl Jam (like an Auchtung Baby or Ok Computer) but it WON'T happen if all of the members have there own agendas when writing songs.
IMO a truly groundbreaking studio album is the only thing this band has yet to accomplish.
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Inside Job is just ok. The intro is too pretentious and the way the song evolves doesn't justify it.
As for Jeff, i will be honest, I'd prefer if his songs were left as B-sides. Same goes for Matt. Stone is hit or miss.
Eddie is definitely the most elaborate and complete songwriter in the band everything else is just a matter of taste.
I know most people here don't agree but it is Eddie and then everybody else.
ps. writing a riff is not writing the music of a song
no,no,no,no!!! Eddie is A GREAT songwriter, i agree! but, how can you say that about Mike, Jeff, Stone and Matt? Jeff wrote Nothingman, NAIS, Jeremy...!!!Stone, most of the music on Ten, and is still creating amazing songs!!, Mike,..khm,.Yellow ledbetter, Inside Job( which is one of PJ's best songs IMHO!!)GIVEN TO FLY!!!! and Matt wrote You Are, Unemployable!!
They all are great musicians!!!!!!!!!!!
ed is the best, hands down. not just in pj but in modern music in general. however, mike seems to be getting better as time goes on. down, last soldier, inside job. he seems to be more confident in his writing skills. look out for a killer mike track on the next album
Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
I have always dreamed of a groundbreaking studio album from Pearl Jam (like an Auchtung Baby or Ok Computer) but it WON'T happen if all of the members have there own agendas when writing songs.
IMO a truly groundbreaking studio album is the only thing this band has yet to accomplish.
What about Ten? I always felt that was such a dominant well written album. plus with the way it came together it could never be duplicated. I feel this has liberated the band out of trying to do exactly what you say.
Anyways I've liked their last 4 albums the best. I think the band needs all the contributions. Vitalogy was all ed and as they all say it didn't exactly represent the best time for the band.
I have always dreamed of a groundbreaking studio album from Pearl Jam (like an Auchtung Baby or Ok Computer) but it WON'T happen if all of the members have there own agendas when writing songs.
IMO a truly groundbreaking studio album is the only thing this band has yet to accomplish.
Personally I would rather not see PJ thrown in with the Radiohead's and U2's of this world.
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I agree, no offense to ed but i just couldnt handle another world wide suicide...
Id like to see more Jeff and Stone on lyrics. maybe some mike too. Oh and LET STONE SING!!!
I agree...more Jeff and Stone lyrics!
But it's interesting how two people can listen to the same song yet draw completely different conclusions from it. Don't Give Me No Lip seems to me to validate my belief that Stone ought NOT sing! ;-)
But really, it just goes to show how important it is that PJ continues to be a collaborative effort. Just look at the difference of opinion on this thread about whose songs are the best! :-)
If the next album was 80-90% words & music by Eddie Vedder. Would that be such a bad thing?
No,it wouldn't be bad at all considering how pathetic(harsh word to use but it's true)some of the other guys' efforts have been lately.Big Wave,Get Right,Evacuation,Help,Help, etc. Inside Job was the best song on Avacado,fair play to Mike for that but I Am Mine,Love Boat Captain,Worldwide Suicide and all the best ones on the last few albums have all been Ed.Hopefully Jeff can get it together and write another one like Pilate and Stone could write something like In Hiding again but still....I dunno...as long as Matt doesn't write any.
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i think he has to be...perhaps he's forgotten about Stone and Jeff being responsible for 10...
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Personally I would rather not see PJ thrown in with the Radiohead's and U2's of this world.
I knew someone would think I meant that. I don't want them to sound like these bands, I want them to challenge themselves when they make a studio record. The closest they have come imo was Vitology or No Code. Whatever the thought process was behind those two albums would be welcomed again because those are the two most CREATIVE PJ albums.
And sorry but Ten was not groundbreaking. It's my Third favorite PJ record but it was not groundbreaking.
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Matt's songwriting and contributions to the songs are prob the best thing that could have happened to the band. Vitalogy was more or less Eddie, so they've already been down that road. It was an awesome result, something I don't think could be repeated (obviously).
Inside Job is just ok. The intro is too pretentious and the way the song evolves doesn't justify it.
In what sense is the intro pretentious???! It's music for chrissakes. Is it the length? any song past 3 mins is pretentious? or maybe it's the piano... cos that shit is so avant-garde and has no place in rock music, right? :rolleyes:
Jeez. this band does not exist to make songs the way YOU want them to. Statements like this make me despair for music listeners. Just my two cents.
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first of all, no. lowlight, you are, inside job...all incredible songs. musical contributions from every memeber is what allows this band to write full albums worth of material. arguabky ed can do it alone as seen with into the wild, but how long is that entire album?
someone said pearl jam hasnt released a groundbreaking album but thats a very questionable phrase. what does one consider groundbreaking?
i think some people on here would consider vitalogy groundbreaking with all of the experimentation. other may view no code as groundbreaking just due to the statement the band was making when they wrote it. others could argue that yield is this bands masterpiece, or say that avacado is groundbreaking just in the way it brought this band back in the eyes of the people that arent diehards like us.
they did those albums together. in no way am i taking away from ed, especially since he is the "frontman". however, if the other guys didnt put in even half of the talent they had, these albums would have made no impact at all and this band would have been gone a long time ago.
first of all, no. lowlight, you are, inside job...all incredible songs. musical contributions from every memeber is what allows this band to write full albums worth of material. arguabky ed can do it alone as seen with into the wild, but how long is that entire album?
someone said pearl jam hasnt released a groundbreaking album but thats a very questionable phrase. what does one consider groundbreaking?
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That reminds me of another phrase that drives me crazy, "relevant". I've heard people say that Pearl Jam haven't been relevant to music for years. Relevant how? Album sales? Ticket sales? Radio play? Influence on other musicians? Internet promotion? When I make them break it down to exactly HOW they aren't relevant, I always walk away making them realize that PJ are still very much relevant to the music industry. Heck, sometimes I've gone so far as to convince them they are innovators, especially with the concert bootlegs.
Not relevant my ass!
As for being on topic... I've always felt that Ed/Mike/Stone (together or in pairs) have come up with the best tunes. However, Jeff has put in some great contributions along the way. Matt's songs don't really do it for me but at least when they write it's a GROUP effort, and I truly hope it stays that way.
I want the next album to be a Pearl Jam record, not an Ed solo album with the band playing as studio musicians. They are better than that. That's why they've been around so long and I've long been a fan of the saying, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."
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I very much agree with you.
Unfortunatley when pearl jam try different stuff (Binaural, RA) people moan....
Binaural is my favourite album, and I hold Riot Act in much higher esteem than Avocado.
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Yield will always be my favourite but Binaural and RA are always fighting it out for second place.....
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Shut up, if PJ were just Eddie it would not be too interesting for too long. Do people really think all of ed's songs are solely his ideas, no one in the band helps to shape them? They are a band, a great one.
I would prefer if they handled the bulk of the song writing duties but also allow a couple of songs from Matt and Mike if they are up to par.
I have always dreamed of a groundbreaking studio album from Pearl Jam (like an Auchtung Baby or Ok Computer) but it WON'T happen if all of the members have there own agendas when writing songs.
IMO a truly groundbreaking studio album is the only thing this band has yet to accomplish.
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More Mike and Stone please.....
Really?
Man, i disagree.....
We need them all writing more.....
I agree, no offense to ed but i just couldnt handle another world wide suicide...
Id like to see more Jeff and Stone on lyrics. maybe some mike too. Oh and LET STONE SING!!!
Holy crap, ed wrote all of don't gimme no lip? Now thats pretty badass... maybe his best work
Ed's songs are easily my least favorite of the PJ catalogue. I much prefer Stone and Mike songs, with a little Jeff thrown in.
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I think you meant to say Stone.
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Lol, i laughed when I read that, not a huge fan of WWS myself.....
would love a less political record.....like you said more Stone and Jeff on the lyrics and LET MIKE WRITE MORE MUSIC AS HE IS THE FUCKIN' SHIT.....
no,no,no,no!!! Eddie is A GREAT songwriter, i agree! but, how can you say that about Mike, Jeff, Stone and Matt? Jeff wrote Nothingman, NAIS, Jeremy...!!!Stone, most of the music on Ten, and is still creating amazing songs!!, Mike,..khm,.Yellow ledbetter, Inside Job( which is one of PJ's best songs IMHO!!)GIVEN TO FLY!!!! and Matt wrote You Are, Unemployable!!
They all are great musicians!!!!!!!!!!!
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What about Ten? I always felt that was such a dominant well written album. plus with the way it came together it could never be duplicated. I feel this has liberated the band out of trying to do exactly what you say.
Anyways I've liked their last 4 albums the best. I think the band needs all the contributions. Vitalogy was all ed and as they all say it didn't exactly represent the best time for the band.
just fyi.
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What? are you serious? I agree with Mine ...
Or, that would be Vitalogy. Which I thought was excellent.
for the least they could possibly do
I agree...more Jeff and Stone lyrics!
But it's interesting how two people can listen to the same song yet draw completely different conclusions from it. Don't Give Me No Lip seems to me to validate my belief that Stone ought NOT sing! ;-)
But really, it just goes to show how important it is that PJ continues to be a collaborative effort. Just look at the difference of opinion on this thread about whose songs are the best! :-)
No,it wouldn't be bad at all considering how pathetic(harsh word to use but it's true)some of the other guys' efforts have been lately.Big Wave,Get Right,Evacuation,Help,Help, etc. Inside Job was the best song on Avacado,fair play to Mike for that but I Am Mine,Love Boat Captain,Worldwide Suicide and all the best ones on the last few albums have all been Ed.Hopefully Jeff can get it together and write another one like Pilate and Stone could write something like In Hiding again but still....I dunno...as long as Matt doesn't write any.
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i think he has to be...perhaps he's forgotten about Stone and Jeff being responsible for 10...
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I knew someone would think I meant that. I don't want them to sound like these bands, I want them to challenge themselves when they make a studio record. The closest they have come imo was Vitology or No Code. Whatever the thought process was behind those two albums would be welcomed again because those are the two most CREATIVE PJ albums.
And sorry but Ten was not groundbreaking. It's my Third favorite PJ record but it was not groundbreaking.
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Jeez. this band does not exist to make songs the way YOU want them to. Statements like this make me despair for music listeners. Just my two cents.
Give me a Pearl Jam album without Eddie. Instrumentals would even be great.
someone said pearl jam hasnt released a groundbreaking album but thats a very questionable phrase. what does one consider groundbreaking?
i think some people on here would consider vitalogy groundbreaking with all of the experimentation. other may view no code as groundbreaking just due to the statement the band was making when they wrote it. others could argue that yield is this bands masterpiece, or say that avacado is groundbreaking just in the way it brought this band back in the eyes of the people that arent diehards like us.
they did those albums together. in no way am i taking away from ed, especially since he is the "frontman". however, if the other guys didnt put in even half of the talent they had, these albums would have made no impact at all and this band would have been gone a long time ago.
That reminds me of another phrase that drives me crazy, "relevant". I've heard people say that Pearl Jam haven't been relevant to music for years. Relevant how? Album sales? Ticket sales? Radio play? Influence on other musicians? Internet promotion? When I make them break it down to exactly HOW they aren't relevant, I always walk away making them realize that PJ are still very much relevant to the music industry. Heck, sometimes I've gone so far as to convince them they are innovators, especially with the concert bootlegs.
Not relevant my ass!
As for being on topic... I've always felt that Ed/Mike/Stone (together or in pairs) have come up with the best tunes. However, Jeff has put in some great contributions along the way. Matt's songs don't really do it for me but at least when they write it's a GROUP effort, and I truly hope it stays that way.
I want the next album to be a Pearl Jam record, not an Ed solo album with the band playing as studio musicians. They are better than that. That's why they've been around so long and I've long been a fan of the saying, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."