http://www.revisionists.com/

TrixieCat wrote:

Here it is in black and white....what the revisionists say about the holocaust:

"What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews?
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So?

I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.

these revisionists seem to be so hell bent on anti-semitism in regards to downplaying the holocaust that they seemed to have forgotten...that it wasn't just jews that were decimated, but catholics, protestants, gypsies, the handicapped, and gays. certainly the jews were the main target, but the rest seem to be nothing more than a postscript to them.

and as for no blueprints or paperwork, didn't the nazis burn all that up towards the end? like they'd leave evidence? c'mon now.

it's disturbing to see people tout their ivy league education in an effort to further and validate their racism. takes all kinds i guess....people are capable of anything, history has proven that, not just with the holocaust but throughout the centuries. ignorance and cruelty is a recurrent theme, sadly.

Collin wrote:

So?

I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.

It's refreshing to see some logic on this.

gleemonex wrote:

Sources?

According the information presented in the documentary by David Cole.

I have seen documentaries on TV
(discovery channel or TLC) where they test the walls for gas as well.

TrixieCat wrote:

Are you talking about Koch's wife's lampshade? Yes, we know it was goatskin.
It wasn't originally built to be a gas chamber? Maybe so, because this was not the original intent of the camps. They were work camps. Until Himmler decided just shooting the Jews wasn't quick enough or easy enough.

Seems odd they couldn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber.

Why incinerate people in ovens? You know how much time, raw energy, and labor it would take to cremate everyone? Mass graves seem to be the way every other genocide has been carried out...mainly because it's the easiest, cheapest, and fastest way. If they were looking to make it faster...cremating people individually is a ridiculous notion.

TrixieCat wrote:

Also, the delousing chambers were originally used to prevent typhus from spreading but soon turned to being used to exterminate. It is cyanide for crying out loud.

Yes that's why it's called a "delousing" chamber...for sanitation Still it's odd they didn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber itself.

One would think it would be pretty easy to determine with all the marvels of science the exact composition of what the walls were exposed to. Mass spectrometer on a chip from the wall would end the debate on how much gas was released in that room. Pretty infallible test one would think.

TrixieCat wrote:

Do some more research. Those claims were debunked. There were trace amounts of the gas found in the chambers. And the walls being made the way they were could not fully record the history of what occured in there. They were too thick and the chambers were ventilated.
I think you are reading too much David Irving.

Walls made the way they were? what does that mean? (Sources pls)

So what's your take on the logic of cremating everyone v.s. open pit

also why make it against the law to merely question it?

that's a bit of a red flag right there to say the least.

"I'd like to say something about this last, about this last point of this terrible, terrible business. I mean Treblinka. I was given orders. I went to see Globocnik in Treblinka. That was the second time. The installations were now in operation, and I had to report to Müller. I expected to see a wooden house on the right side of the road and a few more wooden houses on the left; that's what I remembered. Instead, again with the same SturmbannFührer Höfle, I came to a railroad station with a sign saying Treblinka, looking exactly like a German railroad station — anywhere in Germany — a replica, with signboards, etc. There I hung back as far as I could. I didn't push closer to see it all. I saw a footbridge enclosed in barbed wire and over that footbridge a file of naked Jews was being driven into a house, a big... no, not a house, a big, one-room structure, to be gassed. As I was told, they were gassed with ...what's it called? ... Potassium cyanide... or cyanic acid. In acid form it's called cyanic acid. I didn't look to see what happened." - Adolf Eichmann

Also, one of Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, specified Aushwitz-Birkenau as an extermination camp during the Nuremburg trials. He separated it from regular concentration camps like Dachau, and Buchenwald.

The people who committed the Holocaust have some very startling admissions about the extermination camps in the book, "Interrogations: The Nazi Elite in Allied Hands," by Richard Overy. Overy is a very well respected British historian who has written extensively on the subject. He compiled 30 or so interrogations into this book and it is worth reading if you (RolandTD20Kdrummer) are interested in an opposing viewpoint on the subject.

gleemonex wrote:

"I'd like to say something about this last, about this last point of this terrible, terrible business. I mean Treblinka. I was given orders. I went to see Globocnik in Treblinka. That was the second time. The installations were now in operation, and I had to report to Müller. I expected to see a wooden house on the right side of the road and a few more wooden houses on the left; that's what I remembered. Instead, again with the same SturmbannFührer Höfle, I came to a railroad station with a sign saying Treblinka, looking exactly like a German railroad station — anywhere in Germany — a replica, with signboards, etc. There I hung back as far as I could. I didn't push closer to see it all. I saw a footbridge enclosed in barbed wire and over that footbridge a file of naked Jews was being driven into a house, a big... no, not a house, a big, one-room structure, to be gassed. As I was told, they were gassed with ...what's it called? ... Potassium cyanide... or cyanic acid. In acid form it's called cyanic acid. I didn't look to see what happened." - Adolf Eichmann

Also, one of Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, specified Aushwitz-Birkenau as an extermination camp during the Nuremburg trials. He separated it from regular concentration camps like Dachau, and Buchenwald.

The people who committed the Holocaust have some very startling admissions about the extermination camps in the book, "Interrogations: The Nazi Elite in Allied Hands," by Richard Overy. Overy is a very well respected British historian who has written extensively on the subject. He compiled 30 or so interrogations into this book and it is worth reading if you (RolandTD20Kdrummer) are interested in an opposing viewpoint on the subject.

I'll take a look at it.

I don't deny that it happened, just that certain aspects seem to have been exaggerated beyond what actually did happen. That;s all

Unfortunately asking a question still seems to be illegal for some people though. Many small minded people on this forum have launched racist attacks towards me for it.