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TrixieCat
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Seriously....wtf?
I am all for finding the truth and sorting through propaganda, but these folks are loco.
I would like to wrangle them all up and take them through a tour of the Holocaust Museum in DC and then tell me what happened during WWII is being exaggerated.
I am all for finding the truth and sorting through propaganda, but these folks are loco.
I would like to wrangle them all up and take them through a tour of the Holocaust Museum in DC and then tell me what happened during WWII is being exaggerated.
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And I don't feel right when you're gone away
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I just don't get it.
I am all for sorting through history and finding the truth, but these are undeniable events.
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I think we know why? That dosen't make it right, or any less of a fucking massacre.
-Greg Dulli
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'Revisionists object to the terminology, "THE Holocaust," which by implication suggests it was unique, monumental, over-arching, perhaps even the central historical event of our century if not epoch. In fact there have been many holocausts over the centuries, a good portion of them in our own Twentieth century. The Jewish Holocaust is merely one of them, and not even one of the more vicious ones.
From the point of view of the world as a whole it is far from the greatest or most terrible, Hollywood to the contrary notwithstanding. A marked improvement in both accuracy and objectivity can be achieved if the
term "Jewish Holocaust" is substituted for the term "THE Holocaust."'
But I'd never heard of this site before and I know someone that would love it!
yes because the herd gassing of around 6million people is looked upon as caring and considerate these days.
the holocaust was unique... i'm thinking back through my history education... and nope.. i cant think of a time when 6 million people were gassed or killed KNOWINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY in the last 2000 years let alone the last century.
Stalin killed millions of his own people... but they mostly died of starvation... men were not sent/ordered to kill them... Hitler did.
hey kell.. do you know David Irving
To be honest, I never take anything I hear as gospel but I've also never known anyone that died in the Holocaust. So... How do I know what I'm being taught is the truth?
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Rwanda is already a genocide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide
it already happened 14 years ago... unfortunately while the world watched... just like the world watched the genocide in Darfur
thats a fucking moronic thing to say.
you dont know anyone who died in the holocaust?
you're about 20-something.. and the holocaust was 60+ years ago.. so of course you didnt know them!
I meant Darfur.
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You know what I mean. I didn't know anyone that knew anyone. My grandparents were long gone. I didn't want to upset anyone that had a story to tell.
I'm not sideing with anyone. I just meant, I don't know anyone who has ever been effected by the holocaust... and we're taught loads of things that years down the line have also been told to be untrue. But no, I understand what you're saying...
Sorry, Trixie. I didn't mean to sound so insensitive. There's just always a part of me that questions everything and if someone says one thing, I wonder who am I to say it's wrong?
read the Diary of Anne Frank
go here:-
http://london.iwm.org.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.1454
then go here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp
you're not to say its wrong.. you educate yourself on the subject and then decide if you believe it or not... you dont instantly take a sceptical stance and assume it never happened?
seriously? i'm aghast.
you dont think it happened?
I was just saying read Night by Elie Wiesel.
It is a first hand account from someone that is alive today.
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In person if you can.
http://www.ushmm.org/
There is no way you can escape the truth here.
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i need to go there.
i've been to 3 or 4 holocaust places and found them to be utterly amazing but incredibly tragic places.
a work mate went to Krakow recently... i also need to go there
Okay, don't make me state the bloody obvious but what I'm saying is, I'm sure there's a lot untold.
...Where did you get the impression I said it never happened!?! Do you mean that as a kind of figure of speech?
explain?
We had Holden with us so we couldn't really 'see' everything. You could probably spend a week in there.
There is an exhibit that shows you life in the ghettos through a child's eyes.
I hope you experience it one day.
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this is right up his alley :rolleyes:
Obviously millions of people were killed but how do I know there weren't and are more horrific stories to be told happening right now? I know what you mean, it's not happening on such a large scale, people aren't being 'herded' off in drones to gas chambers but people mention Anne Frank and now Elie Weisel but other people have just as horrific stories to tell. Again, I know Anne Frank's book was more about the timing, the way it was written and is a good book in it's own right but still... you must surely understand what I'm saying even if you don't agree with my sitting on the fence all the time.
ok.. you've officially lost me?
i'm not talking about right now.
'but other people have just as horrific stories to tell'
what does that mean?
i cant understand what you're saying.. are you saying the Nazis have a story to tell? one of many millions being slaughtered which justified their retaliation against their hook nosed neighbours?
so what are you saying?
What everyone must remember (mckb in particular) is that at the time the world didn't know that the holocaust was happening, when the Nazis were defeated and the countries were liberated, the holocaust and it's horrors became revealed like nothing the modern world had ever known. To see the actual footage shot by allied soldiers that liberated these camps, and the complete and absolute shock on their faces is to realise just how hard this hit the world when it came out...and this was after six long years of a graphic world war.
There was a terrific docudrama about 5/6 years ago called Nurenburg, starring Alec Baldwin I think, and they mixed real footage with actors and it was harrowing how it came across. They depicted the court room in Nuremburg when the footage was shown first...it just really got across what a complete horrific shock this was to the world.
Sure there's lots of terrible stories to tell, this is just one.
No, of course not! I'm meaning any war civilian. But nevermind. I agree that what I wrote was pretty stupid, I was just playing devils advocate because that's the way I think. But like I said, nevermind. We're just going round in circles here.
I don't understand why it is wrong to investigate what happened. I don't believe we know everything or that all the information we have is correct. After WWII Europe was in ruins, the cold war began and people were so shocked about what happened inside those camps that they said it could never happen again. It's not entirely stupid or foolish to think that some things were exaggerated (especially by the people), parts of information were missing...
I know there was been a lot of research since then as well, but in some countries it's illegal to even question the holocaust.
Anyway, what I'm saying is... these people have every right to investigate the holocaust. There's really nothing wrong with it, imo.
In fact, I'd be more than happy if more revisionist decided to look into my own country's past, namely our little affair in the Belgian Congo. Luckily, some already have... but it's highly controversial here and the people would rather ignore what happened than admit it.
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actually they did know
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/churchill_holocaust_01.shtml
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=109
http://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/dl/holocaust/holocaustpage.html
on the last page you'll find actual letters from Churchill from 1942 where he has sent Eisenhower pics of a concentration camp.