on the last page you'll find actual letters from Churchill from 1942 where he has sent Eisenhower pics of a concentration camp.
thank you dunk. my head just about exploded when i read those first couple of sentences of jamie's. i was unaware that people still think europe and friends didnt know what hitler was doing. this excuse of ignorance still goes on today. when saddam was 'relocating' the kurds, the 'west' thought nothing of it apparently. they chose to believe what saddam was telling them despite knwoing what kind of man he was and despite having the weight of history leaning against them. it is always a cause for concern when a governemnt says they are 'only' relocating people from areas they 'dont belong in' and thats it for their own good and protection.
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a lot untold? what do you mean? about what? and from whose perspective do you mean?
From any battle. The link that was at the top of the page didn't say much but another site I went to said that the revisionists study all matter of historical events. I was just using my first paragraph as an example and to try and be on topic.
From any battle. The link that was at the top of the page didn't say much but another site I went to said that the revisionists study all matter of historical events. I was just using my first paragraph as an example and to try and be on topic.
you were speaking only of battles? you understand why people were taking isssue with your posts, right? they were speaking of the holocaust and from your posts it appeared you were questioning the validity of what were told of the genocide of the jews during WWII.
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you were speaking only of battles? you understand why people were taking isssue with your posts, right? they were speaking of the holocaust and from your posts it appeared you were questioning the validity of what were told of the genocide of the jews during WWII.
No, I was also talking about the many governments that let their people starve and keep money for themselves and their families. And governments that won't give their people a national health service but spend it on...
If you actually look at my posts, I DID say it probably seemed insensitive and that I was originally playing devils advocate. But no matter how ridiculous something might seem, it is possible to try and see it from both sides. That's all I was saying but I think dunk's first post was the most sensible and to the point out of the pair of us.
Here it is in black and white....what the revisionists say about the holocaust:
"What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews?
The linch-pin in this argument is simply that there were no gas chambers. None. Zero. Nada. There is NO evidence of gas chambers that an objective person can find credible. There is growing credible evidence that what purport to be the remains of gas chambers at Auschwitz, and elsewhere, are frauds - less believable than Potemkin villages. There are NO documents, NO orders, NO planning, NO blueprints, NO photographs, NO autopsies - NOTHING that is definitively or even reasonably credible to support gas chambers. It is not believable that an enterprise as massive as the extermination through gassing of six million people in two or three years in a chaotic environment would not leave behind some physical evidence, some documentary remains. And yet there isn't any. As Professor Arno Mayer, the Princeton historian (who is Jewish), has said, "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." He wouldn't make such an admission if any credible evidence existed. And he was writing in the late 1980's.
What does exist - as Revisionists are as aware as anyone - are, by the tens or even hundreds of thousands, testimonies and confessions. Many, if not most, of the testimonies are preposterous, preternatural, not in keeping with the laws of the physical world. The confessions (were) typically made by persons seeking desperately to curry favor with their captors or their jailers, to save their lives and the lives of their families in the prostrate world of utterly defeated Nazi Germany. Most are "coerced" confessions, as in "sign this or we'll pull some more of your fingernails out. Or we'll turn your wife and children over to the Russians."
Also existing are testimonies of survivors of the concentration camps, of camp personnel, of nearby civilians who had some connection or other with the camps, testimonies which completely contradict the notion that massive extermination programs were ongoing. All of these testimonies are of course discounted and denigrated because they do not further Holocaustery. And then there are the aerial photographs made during the war by allied fly-overs of Auschwitz and other camps which lend no support whatever to the Holocaust story.
Why would so many people lie? is the question invariably put to Revisionists. Some lie because it is quite profitable. There is no business like Shoah Business, said one Jewish observer some years ago in a candid moment. Others lie because it is helpful to Israel, or for any of thousands of other perfectly understandable reasons. Lying, or mythologizing, is a common human trait according to Joseph Campbell. Many others among the testifiers are not lying. They believe sincerely in what they proclaim about the gas chambers, about having seen them, about having seen the victims, about having seen the smoke rise from the stacks, etc. etc. They are "honest and true believers" (as Elizabeth Loftus would put it) in the myth because it is important to them and to the Jewish people that the myth survive. The Holocaust has become the unifying myth of modern Jewry, as we all know. Even Jews who believe in the Holocaust will admit this if they are honest. Some people believe in Jesus, some in Mohammed, some in the efficacy of crystals, some in the Jewish Holocaust Myth. Revisionists for the most part are non-believers in mythology.
There were no gas chambers but there were many Jews who died or were killed. They were executed by the thousands for opposing German advances toward the east, for partisan activities connected with that opposition, for numerous other reasons. Jews by the tens of thousands died in the concentration camps of deadly epidemics of disease, they died in the latter stages of the war of starvation when Germany was collapsing. (Professor Mayer, a rare historian, has admitted many more Jews died this way than were executed.) How many died during the war? A lot. Most Revisionists would probably say half a million, perhaps as many as a million. But not six million. Too many survived the war for that number to be anything but part of the Jewish Holocaust Myth. If a million did die it was but two per cent of the total slaughter of World War II. That's the reality of the Jewish Holocaust. Two per cent. 98% of the blood bath of World War II involved other than Jews. Why, Revisionists ask, is almost the sole concentration today on Jewish deaths? Why has the Jewish Holocaust become "the" event of the 1930'S and 1940's around which all others revolve including even World War II itself?"
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Sorry to butt in.
What everyone must remember (mckb in particular) is that at the time the world didn't know that the holocaust was happening, when the Nazis were defeated and the countries were liberated, the holocaust and it's horrors became revealed like nothing the modern world had ever known.
Sadly I think we did know, just like we know what's happening in Zimbabwe but do fuck all about it.
Have to take you to task over 6 million gassed though. They were gassed, shot, starved, worked to death, tortured and beaten to death.
well take me to task all you want baby.. i said this
"i cant think of a time when 6 million people were gassed or killed KNOWINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY in the last 2000 years let alone the last century."
the 'or killed' bit encompasses all methods i feel
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Sadly I think we did know, just like we know what's happening in Zimbabwe but do fuck all about it.
we did know... see post #31
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Here it is in black and white....what the revisionists say about the holocaust:
"What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews?
...
So?
I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.
I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.
So?
Seriously?
These people are claiming there were no crematoriums, no torture and that life was pretty cool at the old Birkenau. Why those crazy Jews had variety shows, were smiling while they did their chores and even went to the swimming pool afterwards for a quick cool down.
And there certainly were not Nazis throwing babies in the air and shooting them down like Elie tells us he saw. He is just a lying sack of deluded garbage.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
these revisionists seem to be so hell bent on anti-semitism in regards to downplaying the holocaust that they seemed to have forgotten...that it wasn't just jews that were decimated, but catholics, protestants, gypsies, the handicapped, and gays. certainly the jews were the main target, but the rest seem to be nothing more than a postscript to them.
and as for no blueprints or paperwork, didn't the nazis burn all that up towards the end? like they'd leave evidence? c'mon now.
it's disturbing to see people tout their ivy league education in an effort to further and validate their racism. takes all kinds i guess....people are capable of anything, history has proven that, not just with the holocaust but throughout the centuries. ignorance and cruelty is a recurrent theme, sadly.
People are aware that the human skin lampshade propaganda and tattoo skinning and collecting in was scientifically tested in the holocaust museum and and proven to be fake.
One example of an exaggeration. Also the floor plan of the gas chamber at Auschwitz was not originally a gas chamber, so it wasn't originally built as one (for those wondering) as well no (none) zyklon B was found on the walls of said gas chamber, but the delousing chambers indicated very high and easily distinguishable levels of zyklon. Gas chamber? zip....no gas traces detected...
For those wondering...that is what modern science has to say about Auschwitz.
not me.....but modern scientific testing.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.
It's refreshing to see some logic on this.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People are aware that the human skin lampshade propaganda and tattoo skinning and collecting in was scientifically tested in the holocaust museum and and proven to be fake.
One example of an exaggeration. Also the floor plan of the gas chamber at Auschwitz was not originally a gas chamber, so it wasn't originally built as one (for those wondering) as well no (none) zyklon B was found on the walls of said gas chamber, but the delousing chambers indicated very high and easily distinguishable levels of zyklon. Gas chamber? zip....no gas traces detected...
For those wondering...that is what modern science has to say about Auschwitz.
not me.....but modern scientific testing.
Sources?
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According the information presented in the documentary by David Cole.
I have seen documentaries on TV
(discovery channel or TLC) where they test the walls for gas as well.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People are aware that the human skin lampshade propaganda and tattoo skinning and collecting in was scientifically tested in the holocaust museum and and proven to be fake.
One example of an exaggeration. Also the floor plan of the gas chamber at Auschwitz was not originally a gas chamber, so it wasn't originally built as one (for those wondering) as well no (none) zyklon B was found on the walls of said gas chamber, but the delousing chambers indicated very high and easily distinguishable levels of zyklon. Gas chamber? zip....no gas traces detected...
For those wondering...that is what modern science has to say about Auschwitz.
not me.....but modern scientific testing.
Are you talking about Koch's wife's lampshade? Yes, we know it was goatskin.
It wasn't originally built to be a gas chamber? Maybe so, because this was not the original intent of the camps. They were work camps. Until Himmler decided just shooting the Jews wasn't quick enough or easy enough.
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And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Are you talking about Koch's wife's lampshade? Yes, we know it was goatskin.
It wasn't originally built to be a gas chamber? Maybe so, because this was not the original intent of the camps. They were work camps. Until Himmler decided just shooting the Jews wasn't quick enough or easy enough.
Seems odd they couldn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber.
Why incinerate people in ovens? You know how much time, raw energy, and labor it would take to cremate everyone? Mass graves seem to be the way every other genocide has been carried out...mainly because it's the easiest, cheapest, and fastest way. If they were looking to make it faster...cremating people individually is a ridiculous notion.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
People are aware that the human skin lampshade propaganda and tattoo skinning and collecting in was scientifically tested in the holocaust museum and and proven to be fake.
One example of an exaggeration. Also the floor plan of the gas chamber at Auschwitz was not originally a gas chamber, so it wasn't originally built as one (for those wondering) as well no (none) zyklon B was found on the walls of said gas chamber, but the delousing chambers indicated very high and easily distinguishable levels of zyklon. Gas chamber? zip....no gas traces detected...
For those wondering...that is what modern science has to say about Auschwitz.
not me.....but modern scientific testing.
Also, the delousing chambers were originally used to prevent typhus from spreading but soon turned to being used to exterminate. It is cyanide for crying out loud.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Also, the delousing chambers were originally used to prevent typhus from spreading but soon turned to being used to exterminate. It is cyanide for crying out loud.
Yes that's why it's called a "delousing" chamber...for sanitation Still it's odd they didn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber itself.
One would think it would be pretty easy to determine with all the marvels of science the exact composition of what the walls were exposed to. Mass spectrometer on a chip from the wall would end the debate on how much gas was released in that room. Pretty infallible test one would think.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yes that's why it's called a "delousing" chamber...for sanitation Still it's odd they didn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber itself.
One would think it would be pretty easy to determine with all the marvels of science the exact composition of what the walls were exposed to. Mass spectrometer on a chip from the wall would end the debate on how much gas was released in that room. Pretty infallible test one would think.
Do some more research. Those claims were debunked. There were trace amounts of the gas found in the chambers. And the walls being made the way they were could not fully record the history of what occured in there. They were too thick and the chambers were ventilated.
I think you are reading too much David Irving.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Do some more research. Those claims were debunked. There were trace amounts of the gas found in the chambers. And the walls being made the way they were could not fully record the history of what occured in there. They were too thick and the chambers were ventilated.
I think you are reading too much David Irving.
thank you dunk. my head just about exploded when i read those first couple of sentences of jamie's. i was unaware that people still think europe and friends didnt know what hitler was doing. this excuse of ignorance still goes on today. when saddam was 'relocating' the kurds, the 'west' thought nothing of it apparently. they chose to believe what saddam was telling them despite knwoing what kind of man he was and despite having the weight of history leaning against them. it is always a cause for concern when a governemnt says they are 'only' relocating people from areas they 'dont belong in' and thats it for their own good and protection.
Well, I never claimed to be an expert I only know what I've been told and led to believe, a bit like you lot actually....maybe your books and documentaries were superior to the ones I saw
Do some more research. Those claims were debunked. There were trace amounts of the gas found in the chambers. And the walls being made the way they were could not fully record the history of what occured in there. They were too thick and the chambers were ventilated.
I think you are reading too much David Irving.
Walls made the way they were? what does that mean? (Sources pls)
So what's your take on the logic of cremating everyone v.s. open pit
also why make it against the law to merely question it?
that's a bit of a red flag right there to say the least.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Do some more research. Those claims were debunked. There were trace amounts of the gas found in the chambers. And the walls being made the way they were could not fully record the history of what occured in there. They were too thick and the chambers were ventilated.
I think you are reading too much David Irving.
But you're all arguing different points, 'facts' that none of us really know the answer to because we've not dealt with it first hand. It doesn't make you a neo nazi just because you question something!
"I'd like to say something about this last, about this last point of this terrible, terrible business. I mean Treblinka. I was given orders. I went to see Globocnik in Treblinka. That was the second time. The installations were now in operation, and I had to report to Müller. I expected to see a wooden house on the right side of the road and a few more wooden houses on the left; that's what I remembered. Instead, again with the same SturmbannFührer Höfle, I came to a railroad station with a sign saying Treblinka, looking exactly like a German railroad station — anywhere in Germany — a replica, with signboards, etc. There I hung back as far as I could. I didn't push closer to see it all. I saw a footbridge enclosed in barbed wire and over that footbridge a file of naked Jews was being driven into a house, a big... no, not a house, a big, one-room structure, to be gassed. As I was told, they were gassed with ...what's it called? ... Potassium cyanide... or cyanic acid. In acid form it's called cyanic acid. I didn't look to see what happened." - Adolf Eichmann
Also, one of Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, specified Aushwitz-Birkenau as an extermination camp during the Nuremburg trials. He separated it from regular concentration camps like Dachau, and Buchenwald.
The people who committed the Holocaust have some very startling admissions about the extermination camps in the book, "Interrogations: The Nazi Elite in Allied Hands," by Richard Overy. Overy is a very well respected British historian who has written extensively on the subject. He compiled 30 or so interrogations into this book and it is worth reading if you (RolandTD20Kdrummer) are interested in an opposing viewpoint on the subject.
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But you're all arguing different points, 'facts' that none of us really know the answer to because we've not dealt with it first hand. It doesn't make you a neo nazi just because you question something!
The facts are that trace amounts of zyklon were found in the bricks of the walls that made up the chambers. Zyklon was the gas used to delouse or disinfect the Jews. Zyklon can also be used to poison people. The bricks in the chambers were too thick and non porous to really capture large amounts of zyklon therefore people like David Irving concluded that no one was gassed.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
"I'd like to say something about this last, about this last point of this terrible, terrible business. I mean Treblinka. I was given orders. I went to see Globocnik in Treblinka. That was the second time. The installations were now in operation, and I had to report to Müller. I expected to see a wooden house on the right side of the road and a few more wooden houses on the left; that's what I remembered. Instead, again with the same SturmbannFührer Höfle, I came to a railroad station with a sign saying Treblinka, looking exactly like a German railroad station — anywhere in Germany — a replica, with signboards, etc. There I hung back as far as I could. I didn't push closer to see it all. I saw a footbridge enclosed in barbed wire and over that footbridge a file of naked Jews was being driven into a house, a big... no, not a house, a big, one-room structure, to be gassed. As I was told, they were gassed with ...what's it called? ... Potassium cyanide... or cyanic acid. In acid form it's called cyanic acid. I didn't look to see what happened." - Adolf Eichmann
Also, one of Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, specified Aushwitz-Birkenau as an extermination camp during the Nuremburg trials. He separated it from regular concentration camps like Dachau, and Buchenwald.
The people who committed the Holocaust have some very startling admissions about the extermination camps in the book, "Interrogations: The Nazi Elite in Allied Hands," by Richard Overy. Overy is a very well respected British historian who has written extensively on the subject. He compiled 30 or so interrogations into this book and it is worth reading if you (RolandTD20Kdrummer) are interested in an opposing viewpoint on the subject.
I'll take a look at it.
I don't deny that it happened, just that certain aspects seem to have been exaggerated beyond what actually did happen. That;s all
Unfortunately asking a question still seems to be illegal for some people though. Many small minded people on this forum have launched racist attacks towards me for it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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thank you dunk. my head just about exploded when i read those first couple of sentences of jamie's. i was unaware that people still think europe and friends didnt know what hitler was doing. this excuse of ignorance still goes on today. when saddam was 'relocating' the kurds, the 'west' thought nothing of it apparently. they chose to believe what saddam was telling them despite knwoing what kind of man he was and despite having the weight of history leaning against them. it is always a cause for concern when a governemnt says they are 'only' relocating people from areas they 'dont belong in' and thats it for their own good and protection.
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a lot untold? what do you mean? about what? and from whose perspective do you mean?
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From any battle. The link that was at the top of the page didn't say much but another site I went to said that the revisionists study all matter of historical events. I was just using my first paragraph as an example and to try and be on topic.
you were speaking only of battles? you understand why people were taking isssue with your posts, right? they were speaking of the holocaust and from your posts it appeared you were questioning the validity of what were told of the genocide of the jews during WWII.
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No, I was also talking about the many governments that let their people starve and keep money for themselves and their families. And governments that won't give their people a national health service but spend it on...
If you actually look at my posts, I DID say it probably seemed insensitive and that I was originally playing devils advocate. But no matter how ridiculous something might seem, it is possible to try and see it from both sides. That's all I was saying but I think dunk's first post was the most sensible and to the point out of the pair of us.
"What is the basis for Revisionists asserting there was no attempted genocide of the Jews?
The linch-pin in this argument is simply that there were no gas chambers. None. Zero. Nada. There is NO evidence of gas chambers that an objective person can find credible. There is growing credible evidence that what purport to be the remains of gas chambers at Auschwitz, and elsewhere, are frauds - less believable than Potemkin villages. There are NO documents, NO orders, NO planning, NO blueprints, NO photographs, NO autopsies - NOTHING that is definitively or even reasonably credible to support gas chambers. It is not believable that an enterprise as massive as the extermination through gassing of six million people in two or three years in a chaotic environment would not leave behind some physical evidence, some documentary remains. And yet there isn't any. As Professor Arno Mayer, the Princeton historian (who is Jewish), has said, "Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable." He wouldn't make such an admission if any credible evidence existed. And he was writing in the late 1980's.
What does exist - as Revisionists are as aware as anyone - are, by the tens or even hundreds of thousands, testimonies and confessions. Many, if not most, of the testimonies are preposterous, preternatural, not in keeping with the laws of the physical world. The confessions (were) typically made by persons seeking desperately to curry favor with their captors or their jailers, to save their lives and the lives of their families in the prostrate world of utterly defeated Nazi Germany. Most are "coerced" confessions, as in "sign this or we'll pull some more of your fingernails out. Or we'll turn your wife and children over to the Russians."
Also existing are testimonies of survivors of the concentration camps, of camp personnel, of nearby civilians who had some connection or other with the camps, testimonies which completely contradict the notion that massive extermination programs were ongoing. All of these testimonies are of course discounted and denigrated because they do not further Holocaustery. And then there are the aerial photographs made during the war by allied fly-overs of Auschwitz and other camps which lend no support whatever to the Holocaust story.
Why would so many people lie? is the question invariably put to Revisionists. Some lie because it is quite profitable. There is no business like Shoah Business, said one Jewish observer some years ago in a candid moment. Others lie because it is helpful to Israel, or for any of thousands of other perfectly understandable reasons. Lying, or mythologizing, is a common human trait according to Joseph Campbell. Many others among the testifiers are not lying. They believe sincerely in what they proclaim about the gas chambers, about having seen them, about having seen the victims, about having seen the smoke rise from the stacks, etc. etc. They are "honest and true believers" (as Elizabeth Loftus would put it) in the myth because it is important to them and to the Jewish people that the myth survive. The Holocaust has become the unifying myth of modern Jewry, as we all know. Even Jews who believe in the Holocaust will admit this if they are honest. Some people believe in Jesus, some in Mohammed, some in the efficacy of crystals, some in the Jewish Holocaust Myth. Revisionists for the most part are non-believers in mythology.
There were no gas chambers but there were many Jews who died or were killed. They were executed by the thousands for opposing German advances toward the east, for partisan activities connected with that opposition, for numerous other reasons. Jews by the tens of thousands died in the concentration camps of deadly epidemics of disease, they died in the latter stages of the war of starvation when Germany was collapsing. (Professor Mayer, a rare historian, has admitted many more Jews died this way than were executed.) How many died during the war? A lot. Most Revisionists would probably say half a million, perhaps as many as a million. But not six million. Too many survived the war for that number to be anything but part of the Jewish Holocaust Myth. If a million did die it was but two per cent of the total slaughter of World War II. That's the reality of the Jewish Holocaust. Two per cent. 98% of the blood bath of World War II involved other than Jews. Why, Revisionists ask, is almost the sole concentration today on Jewish deaths? Why has the Jewish Holocaust become "the" event of the 1930'S and 1940's around which all others revolve including even World War II itself?"
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
I've been to Belson and Sachsenhausen outside Berlin. Reading the accounts and seeing the pictures make you realise what people are capable of.
Have to take you to task over 6 million gassed though. They were gassed, shot, starved, worked to death, tortured and beaten to death.
I'm visiting Crakow next month but don't think I can face Aushwitz after visiting the others.
well take me to task all you want baby.. i said this
"i cant think of a time when 6 million people were gassed or killed KNOWINGLY and PURPOSEFULLY in the last 2000 years let alone the last century."
the 'or killed' bit encompasses all methods i feel
we did know... see post #31
smartarse!!
So?
I really don't see the problem here. Right now I accept the official story, what main stream history tells us. If these revisionists can prove their claims, and main stream historians cannot produce the evidence to support their claims, I will have to take that into consideration. If these guys don't have proof, can't support their claims and main stream historian can, these revisionists remain a fringe group that most people will ignore.
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Seriously?
These people are claiming there were no crematoriums, no torture and that life was pretty cool at the old Birkenau. Why those crazy Jews had variety shows, were smiling while they did their chores and even went to the swimming pool afterwards for a quick cool down.
And there certainly were not Nazis throwing babies in the air and shooting them down like Elie tells us he saw. He is just a lying sack of deluded garbage.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
and as for no blueprints or paperwork, didn't the nazis burn all that up towards the end? like they'd leave evidence? c'mon now.
it's disturbing to see people tout their ivy league education in an effort to further and validate their racism. takes all kinds i guess....people are capable of anything, history has proven that, not just with the holocaust but throughout the centuries. ignorance and cruelty is a recurrent theme, sadly.
One example of an exaggeration. Also the floor plan of the gas chamber at Auschwitz was not originally a gas chamber, so it wasn't originally built as one (for those wondering) as well no (none) zyklon B was found on the walls of said gas chamber, but the delousing chambers indicated very high and easily distinguishable levels of zyklon. Gas chamber? zip....no gas traces detected...
For those wondering...that is what modern science has to say about Auschwitz.
not me.....but modern scientific testing.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It's refreshing to see some logic on this.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Sources?
According the information presented in the documentary by David Cole.
I have seen documentaries on TV
(discovery channel or TLC) where they test the walls for gas as well.
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It wasn't originally built to be a gas chamber? Maybe so, because this was not the original intent of the camps. They were work camps. Until Himmler decided just shooting the Jews wasn't quick enough or easy enough.
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Seems odd they couldn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber.
Why incinerate people in ovens? You know how much time, raw energy, and labor it would take to cremate everyone? Mass graves seem to be the way every other genocide has been carried out...mainly because it's the easiest, cheapest, and fastest way. If they were looking to make it faster...cremating people individually is a ridiculous notion.
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Yes that's why it's called a "delousing" chamber...for sanitation Still it's odd they didn't find traces of gas on the walls of the gas chamber itself.
One would think it would be pretty easy to determine with all the marvels of science the exact composition of what the walls were exposed to. Mass spectrometer on a chip from the wall would end the debate on how much gas was released in that room. Pretty infallible test one would think.
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I think you are reading too much David Irving.
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Well, I never claimed to be an expert
Walls made the way they were? what does that mean? (Sources pls)
So what's your take on the logic of cremating everyone v.s. open pit
also why make it against the law to merely question it?
that's a bit of a red flag right there to say the least.
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But you're all arguing different points, 'facts' that none of us really know the answer to because we've not dealt with it first hand. It doesn't make you a neo nazi just because you question something!
Also, one of Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, specified Aushwitz-Birkenau as an extermination camp during the Nuremburg trials. He separated it from regular concentration camps like Dachau, and Buchenwald.
The people who committed the Holocaust have some very startling admissions about the extermination camps in the book, "Interrogations: The Nazi Elite in Allied Hands," by Richard Overy. Overy is a very well respected British historian who has written extensively on the subject. He compiled 30 or so interrogations into this book and it is worth reading if you (RolandTD20Kdrummer) are interested in an opposing viewpoint on the subject.
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I'll take a look at it.
I don't deny that it happened, just that certain aspects seem to have been exaggerated beyond what actually did happen. That;s all
Unfortunately asking a question still seems to be illegal for some people though. Many small minded people on this forum have launched racist attacks towards me for it.
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