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edited November 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
So I haven't watch F1 since two years and than this first round in Sepang...What an amazing start from Hamilton and Alonzo...and what a great race from Hamilton this guy could become the reason why I'll watch some races again...Second F1 race and Massa had absolutely no Chance...Lewis Hamilton you're great...

and I'm very happy that M.Schumacher isn't there anymore even if he was really good I didn't like him...
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Kimi should've kept hamilton back but instead tried to take on massa and alonso which in turn gave hamilton room in the inside to pass.

    Kimi is a selfish driver, massa got too excited and started to lose out on those corners and alonso of course is great.

    But yeah, Hamilton is good, he had a good race. Not easy keeping two Ferraris behind you.
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    You did'nt watch last season at all? not even highlights? it was one of the best, Schumi was stunning and all class. even when he lost. he showed what class is. perhaps his stunt in monaco was not the best thing but watching him make that comeback was great. It's strange not seeing his name on the grid.
  • Housing Jim
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    Hamilton effectively won that for Alonso yesterday. I'm not taking anything away from Alonso, he is a great driver but without Hamilton, it would not have been the walk in the park it was for him in Sepang. On the podium I half expected them to start playing out the last scene from Top Gun - "bullshit....you can be mine"

    Hamilton is becoming by far the most interesting thing to watch in this early stage of the season. I am a Kimi fan, and I would loved to have seen him get past Hamilton to be on a par with Alonso in the points, but it was absolutely thrilling to see Lewis hold him off in those last few laps. Hamilton is displaying that fine balance of cool aggression that a great F1 driver needs.....he knows when to play it safe but he's not afraid to go for those gamble moves....which so far have paid off for him.

    It's interesting that the race was almost a replica of Melbourne at the front, just swapping the red car for a silver and orange one. I get the feeling we're going to see it swing back and forth between McClaren and Ferrari all year, though it would be nice if a few other teams could find a bit more speed so we have more than a 2 horse race. Early days though of course, last year Ferrari were abysmal at this time and they turned it around in spectacular fashion.

    One week till Bahrain :)

    p.s. I'm very glad someone started this thread :):)
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  • MrBrian
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    Hamilton effectively won that for Alonso yesterday. I'm not taking anything away from Alonso, he is a great driver but without Hamilton, it would not have been the walk in the park it was for him in Sepang. On the podium I half expected them to start playing out the last scene from Top Gun - "bullshit....you can be mine"

    Hamilton is becoming by far the most interesting thing to watch in this early stage of the season. I am a Kimi fan, and I would loved to have seen him get past Hamilton to be on a par with Alonso in the points, but it was absolutely thrilling to see Lewis hold him off in those last few laps. Hamilton is displaying that fine balance of cool aggression that a great F1 driver needs.....he knows when to play it safe but he's not afraid to go for those gamble moves....which so far have paid off for him.

    It's interesting that the race was almost a replica of Melbourne at the front, just swapping the red car for a silver and orange one. I get the feeling we're going to see it swing back and forth between McClaren and Ferrari all year, though it would be nice if a few other teams could find a bit more speed so we have more than a 2 horse race. Early days though of course, last year Ferrari were abysmal at this time and they turned it around in spectacular fashion.

    One week till Bahrain :)

    p.s. I'm very glad someone started this thread :):)

    Even without Hamilton, kimi would not of gotten past alonso easily. Even if the Ferrari is a faster car (which it is by a couple clicks)

    I dunno, I'm just not impressed with kimi, I mean he's a good driver, he's got skills, but he has some major issues. Oh yeah, kubica is another driver to look out for. also that BMW is quick. but one thing that I can't figure out is why the hell are Renaults so slow? I mean they had some good speed last season.

    yep. Bahrain is gonna be a classic.
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    and yes, thanks for starting this thread!
  • Housing Jim
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    MrBrian wrote:
    Even without Hamilton, kimi would not of gotten past alonso easily. Even if the Ferrari is a faster car (which it is by a couple clicks)

    I dunno, I'm just not impressed with kimi, I mean he's a good driver, he's got skills, but he has some major issues. Oh yeah, kubica is another driver to look out for. also that BMW is quick. but one thing that I can't figure out is why the hell are Renaults so slow? I mean they had some good speed last season.

    yep. Bahrain is gonna be a classic.
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    and yes, thanks for starting this thread!

    It certainly wouldn't have been easy for Kimi to take Alonso, but Kimi would have it in him I think. Remember his last lap overtaking of Fisichella in Shanghai two years ago....that was a classic manoevure.

    The BMW is indeed very impressive this year, as is Heidfeld at the wheel of it too. I'm not so sure about Kubica though. Apart from his debut race, he's not been a very consistent runner. I think he deserves the time to grow though. I understand why they are, but I sometimes think the teams are a bit ruthless on their new drivers. I'd have loved the see Christian Klein racing again this year. Only when they develop Montoya syndrome should they really be shown the door.

    Renault were dropping off at the end of last season when they took out the mass dampner on the car. I think the Renault above any others really benefits from all these extra bits they keep banning on the cars, like the uplifting floor. They've still got that awesome launch control which helped them in the first lap yesterday immensely but they just don't have the speed right now to back it up.
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  • luxpjamer
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    MrBrian wrote:
    You did'nt watch last season at all? not even highlights? it was one of the best, Schumi was stunning and all class. even when he lost. he showed what class is. perhaps his stunt in monaco was not the best thing but watching him make that comeback was great. It's strange not seeing his name on the grid.

    I saw some highlights but didn't watch one entire race. A few years ago I waswatching every race, I liked drivers like Damon HILL. He was one of the racers who always drove at the limit, remember those races against Schumacher. I lost interest when they started to change every rule like to pass in a curve, just one wheel set and all this bullshit and because of Schumacher's domination. I didn't like him because of his person, he's very boring and didn't have a sense of humor ( Not like eddie Irvine ;)). But now there's a new generation of young drivers who seem to be very talentous like Kimi, Alonso, Heidfeld,Massa, Button...
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  • MrBrian
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    Ferrari run riot in opening practice


    13 April 2007

    Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen stamped his authority on the first practice session this morning, in the style of Michael Schumacher. Without preamble the Finn banged in a flying lap of 1m 33.670s to eradicate Jarno Trulli’s hold on fastest time, and followed it up with 1m 33.162s. Later team mate Felipe Massa, likewise using the same hard Bridgestone tyres, worked down to 1m 33.679s to go second, half a second adrift.

    At the time the best McLaren could do in response was Fernando Alonso’s 1m 34.634s on the hard tyres, which displaced Lewis Hamilton by four-thousandths of a second. If the sands of Formula One racing have shifted since Malaysia, they appear to have done so in favour of the Prancing Horse.

    http://www.formula1.com/race/news/5941/772.html
  • Housing Jim
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    MrBrian wrote:
    Ferrari run riot in opening practice


    13 April 2007

    Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen stamped his authority on the first practice session this morning, in the style of Michael Schumacher. Without preamble the Finn banged in a flying lap of 1m 33.670s to eradicate Jarno Trulli’s hold on fastest time, and followed it up with 1m 33.162s. Later team mate Felipe Massa, likewise using the same hard Bridgestone tyres, worked down to 1m 33.679s to go second, half a second adrift.

    At the time the best McLaren could do in response was Fernando Alonso’s 1m 34.634s on the hard tyres, which displaced Lewis Hamilton by four-thousandths of a second. If the sands of Formula One racing have shifted since Malaysia, they appear to have done so in favour of the Prancing Horse.

    http://www.formula1.com/race/news/5941/772.html

    Very interesting. I wonder if Ferrari have rather uncharacteristically shown their hand very early in this practice session......it would be unusual if they had.

    I'd expect McClaren to improve on those times but this kind of duelling is great fun :)
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  • MrBrian
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    Well Massa is in pole and hamilton is in second! pretty impressive.

    http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/14042007/2/photo/ferrari-s-massa-takes-pole-position-bahrain.html
  • norm
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    good qualifying session.........that hamilton looks really good.......:)
  • Housing Jim
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    Best race of the season so far today....pretty much a nailbiter from start to finish :)

    Not really sure what was up with Alonso....he was acting as if he just couldn't be bothered today and it was quite unsporting that he didn't have a single good word to say about his teammate post race.

    Most drivers seemed to be well on it today though. Coulthard was driving his best race in years until the driveshaft gave up, Heidfeld was very, very impressive today.....he's definitely making that BMW work for him. Davidson looked solid too until the engine failure and Kimi was as good as usual....it's shame Alonslow held him up in the early stint.

    Hamilton vs Massa is turning into a great rivalry which will hopefully run all season.

    What's most exciting at this point though is that this championship is wide open. I can't remember a time when after 3 rounds the champtionship was held in a 3 way tie. They kept saying that Massa is in there too, only 5 points behind and I think in that case you can't discount Heidfeld either as he's only 2 points short of Massa.

    Awesome stuff....can't believe we have to wait a month for round 4!
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  • MrBrian
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    Best race of the season so far today....pretty much a nailbiter from start to finish :)

    Not really sure what was up with Alonso....he was acting as if he just couldn't be bothered today and it was quite unsporting that he didn't have a single good word to say about his teammate post race.

    Most drivers seemed to be well on it today though. Coulthard was driving his best race in years until the driveshaft gave up, Heidfeld was very, very impressive today.....he's definitely making that BMW work for him. Davidson looked solid too until the engine failure and Kimi was as good as usual....it's shame Alonslow held him up in the early stint.

    Hamilton vs Massa is turning into a great rivalry which will hopefully run all season.

    What's most exciting at this point though is that this championship is wide open. I can't remember a time when after 3 rounds the champtionship was held in a 3 way tie. They kept saying that Massa is in there too, only 5 points behind and I think in that case you can't discount Heidfeld either as he's only 2 points short of Massa.

    Awesome stuff....can't believe we have to wait a month for round 4!

    I taped it so i'll check it out when I get home but I saw the results. I'm happy massa won and I gotta say, Hamilton is starting to bother me! haha, But what a driver he is. He loves to attack. yep it's gonna be great watching Massa try and keep him behind. I hear Alonso said something about not getting much grip from the McLaren. I think he (alonso) is gonna be under a lot of pressure not to be outdriven by Hamilton this season.

    boooo! 27 days till spain!

    so how does it feel to be back watching F1?
  • norm
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    another parade.........congrats massa.........hamilton is someone to be reckoned with........:)
  • Housing Jim
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    cutback wrote:
    another parade.....

    definitely not a parade yesterday! Coulthard must have made about ten passes, Heidfeld's amazing move on Alonso....yesterday had plenty of action

    MrBrian wrote:
    so how does it feel to be back watching F1?

    Awesome. When it finishes I'm always gutted but then you live without it for 5 months and then when it starts again you wonder how! lol
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  • norm
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    definitely not a parade yesterday! Coulthard must have made about ten passes, Heidfeld's amazing move on Alonso....yesterday had plenty of action

    transfer all that fun to the leaders and then i'll get excited...:)
  • Housing Jim
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    cutback wrote:
    transfer all that fun to the leaders and then i'll get excited...:)

    well, that's a fair point. Because the car at the front generally has a good run of clear air you don't see too much overtaking for the lead.....we might have seen it yesterday has McClaren put those hard tyres on Hamilton's car a few laps earlier!
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  • MrBrian
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    cutback wrote:
    another parade.........congrats massa.........hamilton is someone to be reckoned with........:)

    The Ferrari parade! Yeah I'd love to see more action in the front. I'm sure it'll heat up as the season goes on, it often does. It'll be nice if Mclaren can match the Ferrari for straight line speed.
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  • Housing Jim
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    MrBrian wrote:

    Hell yeah....its been way too long.

    Wonder if any of the teams have made any significant development steps in the last month
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  • MrBrian
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    Hell yeah....its been way too long.

    Wonder if any of the teams have made any significant development steps in the last month

    Well Alonso set fastest practice lap today, I know that McLaren were working on a front wing or some sorts. so was Ferrari.

    You know how F1 is, even small tiny changes can make that extra bit of speed or balance.
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    I'd put my money on Alonso. But I won't count Massa out for this race.
  • Housing Jim
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    MrBrian wrote:
    Well Alonso set fastest practice lap today, I know that McLaren were working on a front wing or some sorts. so was Ferrari.

    You know how F1 is, even small tiny changes can make that extra bit of speed or balance.
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    I'd put my money on Alonso. But I won't count Massa out for this race.

    Indeed.

    I'm never sure how much to believe with regards to practice laps times, especially when it comes to teams like Ferrari. They don't like to show their full hand until qualifying usually.

    Be nice to see Massa do well this weekend so it can become a fatal four way rather than a triple threat for the championship.

    I'm not holding out too much hope but if theres one team I'd like to see a huge improvement from it's Honda......it's getting heart breaking having to watch those Jensen Button interviews
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