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  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    Poncier wrote:
    Yeah I had the thought that maybe Liar killed HarperValleyPTA.

    As far as Locke interacting with Walt...lots of Losties have interacted with "ghosts"...Eko with his brother for example..but its the introduction of a second person (in this case Jack) interacting with a possible "ghost" intended for another person that makes me wonder...usually I think only the person that Jacob/Benry/Smokemonster/Island (whoever is responsible for these visions) wants to see the "ghost" sees it.
    That is a very good point about the Second person seeing the "ghost", never thought of that.....I justed sounded like a member of the Brady Bunch!!
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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    hi kids! so i think last nights epi sealed the deal. i adore ben. because he is the opposite of juliet. he will manipulate you and lie to you and twist things to what he wants.. and he will clearly tell you he is doing it.. no apologies.

    but liar is just a wolf in sheeps clothing. i dont like women who can't just find their own men.

    so here's the thing. and i wonder about this. and im sure its just a guess. ben made mention last night that goodwin thought ana lucia would be a good "other".. im sure this was just a ploy to get juliet jealous. and then goodwin ends up dying by ana lucia's hands. and she acts really shady about it but we thought it was cause she was a crazy cop. but what if she was working for ben. now i know michael shot her.. but again he was told by ben to shoot her.. so i think it would be awesome if she were the "man on the boat"... and before everyone has to go run off to do research to tell me why im wrong.. yes i know she was in jail and her contract probably was not renewed this year.. im jus sayin.

    otherwise it was an ok epi. nothing new. juliet's a whore, ben is caaaraaaazy and hurley is good at weird sports. the end. oh and the crazy redhead.. is a crazy redhead.
  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AllIAm wrote:
    hi kids! so i think last nights epi sealed the deal. i adore ben. because he is the opposite of juliet. he will manipulate you and lie to you and twist things to what he wants.. and he will clearly tell you he is doing it.. no apologies.

    but liar is just a wolf in sheeps clothing. i dont like women who can't just find their own men.

    so here's the thing. and i wonder about this. and im sure its just a guess. ben made mention last night that goodwin thought ana lucia would be a good "other".. im sure this was just a ploy to get juliet jealous. and then goodwin ends up dying by ana lucia's hands. and she acts really shady about it but we thought it was cause she was a crazy cop. but what if she was working for ben. now i know michael shot her.. but again he was told by ben to shoot her.. so i think it would be awesome if she were the "man on the boat"... and before everyone has to go run off to do research to tell me why im wrong.. yes i know she was in jail and her contract probably was not renewed this year.. im jus sayin.

    otherwise it was an ok epi. nothing new. juliet's a whore, ben is caaaraaaazy and hurley is good at weird sports. the end. oh and the crazy redhead.. is a crazy redhead.
    That is not a bad thought. think it is weird how they all came out and told us it Michael was returning to the show. It takes away the surprise. Maybe they had it planned to make it appear she was dead and really not. Who knows. It is odd that Ana Lucia's name has been mentioned twice this season thus far. I think they would to explain things very, very good for it to be her, but it is not impossible.

    Did we see them bury her?
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I like the liar and the crazy red head. ;)

    But if anything we learned for the first time that Ben really does have a weakness and its Juliet. And I think Jack is going to use this knowledge in the future.

    Ben recruited Juliet personally to get her there, treated her special, fawned over her like a puppy, and got jealous when she fell for someone else and killed her lover. Ben seems to be totally rational except around Juliet. And he was really hurt in last year's finale when he found out Juliet betrayed him. My question is who is the her that Juliet looks just like - Ben's mom or Annie?

    And before we go calling about Juliet the liar, I think Ben is just using Locke as a pawn again.

    Check out one of Harper's diplomas:

    http://bp3.blogger.com/_Hxnvg45zlCw/R9CzR9CKxBI/AAAAAAAAAPo/5pYygiRLx7c/s1600-h/pict+2008-03-06+09-09-519.jpg

    The one on the right is from the Hanso Foundation. I'm not totally up to all the connections but I'm pretty sure Widmore Industries is tight with the Hanso Foundation. So if Ben is so paranoid about Widmore, why would his therapist be someone who got some sort of degree from the Hanso Foundation.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    AllIAm wrote:
    nothing new. juliet's a whore, ben is caaaraaaazy and hurley is good at weird sports. the end. oh and the crazy redhead.. is a crazy redhead.

    I love you even more...for the above statement!! LOL :D Cracked me up!!
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,864
    AllIAm wrote:
    oh and the crazy redhead.. is a crazy redhead.
    Usually "crazy" is implied with "redhead" from my experience.
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,864
    Solat13 wrote:
    So if Ben is so paranoid about Widmore, why would his therapist be someone who got some sort of degree from the Hanso Foundation.
    Perhaps Benry is lying to Locke about Widmore being the enemy...nah. ;)
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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    AmentsChick wrote:
    I love you even more...for the above statement!! LOL :D Cracked me up!!


    well its true no? (i love you too)

    the thing about ben is.. he's protecting his island. he makes no apologies or wimpers about who gets in the way. widmore wants to exploit his island and ben is gonna do everything he can to stop that.. he's not lying about that.. and i think he was pretty honest about that. i think this is the truth coming out for ben. he needs all the help he can get.

    all im sayin is that he doesnt hide what he feels about anything... like some others do...
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    Poncier wrote:
    Usually "crazy" is implied with "redhead" from my experience.

    oh my god you too? whats up with those crazy bitches? crazy in the head.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    oh my god you too? whats up with those crazy bitches? crazy in the head.

    I guess I'm alone again on this one too. I've had good experiences with red heads. :)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
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    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    so the whispers... obviously many have died on this island. do you think that if you die on the island and you are buried that somehow you become part of the island and alive somehow. could those whispers be the dead people that now make a sort of "council" for the island. maybe thats what smokey is??

    im really liking my whacked out theories this morning
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    AllIAm wrote:
    so the whispers... obviously many have died on this island. do you think that if you die on the island and you are buried that somehow you become part of the island and alive somehow. could those whispers be the dead people that now make a sort of "council" for the island. maybe thats what smokey is??

    im really liking my whacked out theories this morning

    I like your theory. Does that make Jacob like the one who oversees all the other voices?

    I think part of the reason that most people found this episode a little slower than the rest is that the writer was different this week. She also wrote everyone's alltime fav episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" aka the story of Jack's tattoos. Hopefully she won't be back again until next season. ;)
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    I guess I'm alone again on this one too. I've had good experiences with red heads. :)

    You're not the only one :D
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  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    Solat13 wrote:
    I think part of the reason that most people found this episode a little slower than the rest is that the writer was different this week. She also wrote everyone's alltime fav episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" aka the story of Jack's tattoos. Hopefully she won't be back again until next season. ;)
    that could be it. because i honestly don't hate juliet and i think some of her back stories were some of the best episodes....i just didn't like this one.

    also agree that the jack/juliet kiss was one of the most awkward things i have ever watched.
  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    Solat13 wrote:
    I like your theory. Does that make Jacob like the one who oversees all the other voices?

    I think part of the reason that most people found this episode a little slower than the rest is that the writer was different this week. She also wrote everyone's alltime fav episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" aka the story of Jack's tattoos. Hopefully she won't be back again until next season. ;)
    I think that Jacob is the voices. Maybe he can take on different identities and that is what they are. I love the fact that all the voices are still a factor. They have been since season 1.
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  • AllIAm
    AllIAm Posts: 1,309
    Solat13 wrote:
    I like your theory. Does that make Jacob like the one who oversees all the other voices?

    I think part of the reason that most people found this episode a little slower than the rest is that the writer was different this week. She also wrote everyone's alltime fav episode "Stranger in a Strange Land" aka the story of Jack's tattoos. Hopefully she won't be back again until next season. ;)


    maybe jacob is the orginal hanso pirate... the one who wrote the manifest
  • dirtyT
    dirtyT Posts: 3,620
    AllIAm wrote:
    maybe jacob is the orginal hanso pirate... the one who wrote the manifest
    maybe Jacob is the one who hired Penny's dad!
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,864
    Maybe Jacob is the head tall ghost
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Poncier wrote:
    Usually "crazy" is implied with "redhead" from my experience.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    Disclaimer: My immediate apologies to all redheads I have offended. I didn't mean YOU.
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    Poncier wrote:
    Maybe Jacob is the head tall ghost

    Poncier, I don't know if I've said it before...but Marry me??? ;):D
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