in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
and have the memory of a champ to remember it all
the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain
in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot
in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool,
who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos
nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony
have
a sit down....
heres where the genius comes in....
When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it
switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes
gonna
sit at...
then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches
to
his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the
people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound.......
Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel
parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......
Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in
the
diner....
the doors about to open, Tony looks up....
and No Chimes......................
No Music............
Everything just goes black...............
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about
what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just
goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last
seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything
everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded
but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed
tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shit when he died.... it was from
his
perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled
PJ - 36
EV - 5
(**Letterman'02, Irving Plaza, Storytellers, Beacon, ACL, Spectrum 3&4, Bridge School '10**)
"Constant recoil,..sometimes life don't leave you alone."
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in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
and have the memory of a champ to remember it all
the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain
in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot
in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool,
who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos
nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony
have
a sit down....
heres where the genius comes in....
When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it
switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes
gonna
sit at...
then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches
to
his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the
people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound.......
Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel
parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......
Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in
the
diner....
the doors about to open, Tony looks up....
and No Chimes......................
No Music............
Everything just goes black...............
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about
what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just
goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last
seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything
everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded
but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed
tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shit when he died.... it was from
his
perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled
These cuts are leaving creases. Trace the scars to fit the pieces, to tell the story, you don't need to say a word.
Everytime someone walked in the door it seemed like Tony reached for something in his lap...
But there are some holes in your theory. The "trucker" as you say is not sitting on the bar stool, he's sitting in the corner and you cant make out his face because of his hat. The “plain looking” guy sitting at the dinner stool looks over at Tony at least once... you're telling me Tony isn’t going to recognize him? And the black dudes? If the viewer is supposed to recognize them why didn’t Tony? The whole thing is stupid... he’s just going to sit there with his family as all these “threats” are in the dinner.
And BTW how did they all know he was going to be there. If you remember the scene with AJ and Camila it was a last minute change in the dinner plans. If you are going to kill him, kill him... if not then don’t. This whole "lights out" theory is a weak way to end a series... end a season, maybe but this was just weak writing like most of the last season and the short one before it.
I heard a TV critic on the radio today saying that the theories about Phil's nephew and the two black guys were not right. Supposedly HBO was saying they weren't the same characters. I can't verify any of that. Its just what this guy was saying on the radio.
I like the touch of them eating onion rings as opposed to some Italian food. The original family came from Italy. The generation that runs things now may keep some of the customs of The Old Country, but they really were "made in America" and Chase has tried to show this throughout the show's life. He has tried to show that basically they are the average American family that goes through some of the same old shit just with the mafia angle attached.
there's a little more to it than him simply dying as the result of an auto accident.
No shit. Did you even read my post? I was replying to what I heard previously regarding spoilers. You don't think hearing he dies in a car accident a couple months back is a spoiler? Oooooh, sorry I didn't say he was in an accident AND Tony chokes him. You know, I did hear that too, but didn't feel the need to post it. Sorry I didn't pass the tests of Captain Obvious over here. :rolleyes:
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
and have the memory of a champ to remember it all
the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain
in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot
in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool,
who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos
nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony
have
a sit down....
heres where the genius comes in....
When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it
switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes
gonna
sit at...
then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches
to
his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the
people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound.......
Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel
parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......
Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in
the
diner....
the doors about to open, Tony looks up....
and No Chimes......................
No Music............
Everything just goes black...............
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about
what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just
goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last
seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything
everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded
but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed
tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shit when he died.... it was from
his
perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled
So many holes....
first, prove to me those actors are the same people. I've read this too, but have yet to see PROOF. Just imaginative speculation.
Second, there WERE chimes when Meadow enters the restaurant, that is why Tony looks up before the end. Actually, just read this again, and whoever created this contradicted themself about the chimes.
Third, Phil and Tony never had a 'sit down' in the earlier season. Phil didn't come on the show until season 5, and him and Tony didn't really start going at it until 6A.
Fourth, what does his conversation with Bobby in the 1st episode of this season have to do with it? It was brought up in the Blue Comet again to reference Bobby's death, and the irony of it all!
Lastly, all of the points brought up are a complete stretch to conclude that Tony was shot at the end. The most logical meaning to it all was showing the tension that this life brings, the uncertainty of it all, the ever present threat of death (or imprisonment), etc. Tony can go out in any number of ways, all equally valid and that is the point. This life he has chosen has consequences, one of which is that neither you nor your family is safe. Tony was at peace with his family in this scene, but it was WE who were paranoid. For once more than Tony, and that is the genius of the show. WE were sucked into the world one final amazing and complete time. When the screen went black, WE were whacked from their life through the tv, and we didn't see it coming. Pure genius.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
Every time the door opened Tony kept reaching for something under the table... he seemed stressed and not at "peace" so to say... and brilliance? If you want to call cop -out writing brilliance go ahead, I call it sloppy and lazy just like the rest of the season... and the audience got “whacked”? That is so cheesy, where did you hear that? Entertainment Tonight? :rolleyes:
No shit. Did you even read my post? I was replying to what I heard previously regarding spoilers. You don't think hearing he dies in a car accident a couple months back is a spoiler? Oooooh, sorry I didn't say he was in an accident AND Tony chokes him. You know, I did hear that too, but didn't feel the need to post it. Sorry I didn't pass the tests of Captain Obvious over here. :rolleyes:
take it easy and fuckin relax. i didn't realize you were referring to previous spoilers. sorry i made such a grave and fatal error. i should be shot.
he seemed stressed and not at "peace" so to say...
Again bullshit. He didn't act out of the ordinary with Carm, made idle chit chat, browses the menu, smiled at AJ, touched his hand for Christ's sake. The ONLY stress he showed with the 5 or so seconds he mentioned the federal indictments. Other than that...come on! Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a normal family outing, finally all being together, AJ happy and Meadow talking marriage.
and brilliance? If you want to call cop -out writing brilliance go ahead, I call it sloppy and lazy just like the rest of the season...
Bullshit. I'll give it to you that it's your opinion, but you obviously haven't been watching the same show as I if you think this is 'crap'. Maybe you just get a hard on whenever there's blood or a pair of tits and you don't realize the underlying significance and symbolism put into much of the show.
and the audience got “whacked”? That is so cheesy, where did you hear that? Entertainment Tonight? :rolleyes:
Maybe cheesy to you, but a very good analogy. I think Chase was giving that scene to the audience more so than any other. I've read this explanation elsewhere, so I give it to you that it's not my original thought, but I found it compelling enough to repeat. If anything, the Entertainment Tonight's of the world would cater to YOU 'lowest common denominator' thirst for the simple ending, i.e. killed, arrested, heart attack. People nowadays want instant gratification, they don't want to think and they revel in simplicity and lazy thought.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
don't misinterpret my tone and you won't have to act like such a tough guy.
If you can't take being talked to, you need to relax. Easy on the roids and the tough-guy bs talk. No I don't want to fight you, no I don't give a shit if you're offended and no I'm not going to read your posts the way you want me to. lol :rolleyes: No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
If you can't take being talked to, you need to relax. Easy on the roids and the tough-guy bs talk. No I don't want to fight you, no I don't give a shit if you're offended and no I'm not going to read your posts the way you want me to. lol :rolleyes: No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.
Can you believe this fucking guy? Making opinions about a TV show personal? Nice... what a waste of time.
Of course...typical. I rip your 'theory' (cough..hack) apart and you've got nothin'. Case closed.
You didnt rip anything but your ass open and a bunch of shit fell on the floor and you tried to make sense of it... still doesnt change the fact that you're swinging from his nuts...
Can you believe this fucking guy? Making opinions about a TV show personal? Nice... what a waste of time.
Hmmm, I remember you jumping on my theory, keeping to myself MIND YOU, and calling it ridiculous, what did you say? Where did you hear that...Entertainment Tonite? :rolleyes:
Exactly.
You're the waste of time, jumping on me for my opinion on the show, first of all, and then jumping on me for the way this other jagoff acts.
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
You didnt rip anything but your ass open and a bunch of shit fell on the floor and you tried to make sense of it... still doesnt change the fact that you're swinging from his nuts...
*moment I realize I'm talking to a 14 year old. End discussion*
24 years old, mid-life crisis
nowadays hits you when you're young
first, prove to me those actors are the same people. I've read this too, but have yet to see PROOF. Just imaginative speculation.
Second, there WERE chimes when Meadow enters the restaurant, that is why Tony looks up before the end. Actually, just read this again, and whoever created this contradicted themself about the chimes.
Third, Phil and Tony never had a 'sit down' in the earlier season. Phil didn't come on the show until season 5, and him and Tony didn't really start going at it until 6A.
Fourth, what does his conversation with Bobby in the 1st episode of this season have to do with it? It was brought up in the Blue Comet again to reference Bobby's death, and the irony of it all!
Lastly, all of the points brought up are a complete stretch to conclude that Tony was shot at the end. The most logical meaning to it all was showing the tension that this life brings, the uncertainty of it all, the ever present threat of death (or imprisonment), etc. Tony can go out in any number of ways, all equally valid and that is the point. This life he has chosen has consequences, one of which is that neither you nor your family is safe. Tony was at peace with his family in this scene, but it was WE who were paranoid. For once more than Tony, and that is the genius of the show. WE were sucked into the world one final amazing and complete time. When the screen went black, WE were whacked from their life through the tv, and we didn't see it coming. Pure genius.
Worst. Episode. Ever.
I like the "We were whacked" angle that you propose though. It was the only way the show could end. Tony getting killed was way too predictable and a jail finale has been done before. I never really cared for this show too much but I still tuned in last night for some reason.
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there's a little more to it than him simply dying as the result of an auto accident.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
Tony was killed....
in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or
are
just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie
together
and have the memory of a champ to remember it all
the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and
explain
in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to
kill
tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only
shot
in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar
stool,
who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos
nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony
have
a sit down....
heres where the genius comes in....
When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it
switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes
gonna
sit at...
then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches
to
his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the
people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound.......
Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel
parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the
bathroom......
Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in
the
diner....
the doors about to open, Tony looks up....
and No Chimes......................
No Music............
Everything just goes black...............
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby
about
what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just
goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last
seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to
the
memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything
everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door
sounded
but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed
tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shit when he died.... it was from
his
perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled
EV - 5
(**Letterman'02, Irving Plaza, Storytellers, Beacon, ACL, Spectrum 3&4, Bridge School '10**)
"Constant recoil,..sometimes life don't leave you alone."
Let's connect on twitter - @Jeffgorra
But there are some holes in your theory. The "trucker" as you say is not sitting on the bar stool, he's sitting in the corner and you cant make out his face because of his hat. The “plain looking” guy sitting at the dinner stool looks over at Tony at least once... you're telling me Tony isn’t going to recognize him? And the black dudes? If the viewer is supposed to recognize them why didn’t Tony? The whole thing is stupid... he’s just going to sit there with his family as all these “threats” are in the dinner.
And BTW how did they all know he was going to be there. If you remember the scene with AJ and Camila it was a last minute change in the dinner plans. If you are going to kill him, kill him... if not then don’t. This whole "lights out" theory is a weak way to end a series... end a season, maybe but this was just weak writing like most of the last season and the short one before it.
No its not... its got holes like swiss cheese
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I like the touch of them eating onion rings as opposed to some Italian food. The original family came from Italy. The generation that runs things now may keep some of the customs of The Old Country, but they really were "made in America" and Chase has tried to show this throughout the show's life. He has tried to show that basically they are the average American family that goes through some of the same old shit just with the mafia angle attached.
Fucking Journey man.
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"Constant recoil,..sometimes life don't leave you alone."
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it was season one and wasn't one of those black guys killed during the botched hit on tony?
edit: just watched that episode and one of them does get killed.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
No shit. Did you even read my post? I was replying to what I heard previously regarding spoilers. You don't think hearing he dies in a car accident a couple months back is a spoiler? Oooooh, sorry I didn't say he was in an accident AND Tony chokes him. You know, I did hear that too, but didn't feel the need to post it. Sorry I didn't pass the tests of Captain Obvious over here. :rolleyes:
nowadays hits you when you're young
So many holes....
first, prove to me those actors are the same people. I've read this too, but have yet to see PROOF. Just imaginative speculation.
Second, there WERE chimes when Meadow enters the restaurant, that is why Tony looks up before the end. Actually, just read this again, and whoever created this contradicted themself about the chimes.
Third, Phil and Tony never had a 'sit down' in the earlier season. Phil didn't come on the show until season 5, and him and Tony didn't really start going at it until 6A.
Fourth, what does his conversation with Bobby in the 1st episode of this season have to do with it? It was brought up in the Blue Comet again to reference Bobby's death, and the irony of it all!
Lastly, all of the points brought up are a complete stretch to conclude that Tony was shot at the end. The most logical meaning to it all was showing the tension that this life brings, the uncertainty of it all, the ever present threat of death (or imprisonment), etc. Tony can go out in any number of ways, all equally valid and that is the point. This life he has chosen has consequences, one of which is that neither you nor your family is safe. Tony was at peace with his family in this scene, but it was WE who were paranoid. For once more than Tony, and that is the genius of the show. WE were sucked into the world one final amazing and complete time. When the screen went black, WE were whacked from their life through the tv, and we didn't see it coming. Pure genius.
nowadays hits you when you're young
take it easy and fuckin relax. i didn't realize you were referring to previous spoilers. sorry i made such a grave and fatal error. i should be shot.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
No David Chase should be shot for being a coward
i just wonder if that guy talks such a tough game in real life or just on message boards.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
you know the answer to that question...
Bullshit. I just watched it again, he's not 'reaching' for anything. The only reaching is you with your excuses to why it sucked.
Again bullshit. He didn't act out of the ordinary with Carm, made idle chit chat, browses the menu, smiled at AJ, touched his hand for Christ's sake. The ONLY stress he showed with the 5 or so seconds he mentioned the federal indictments. Other than that...come on! Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a normal family outing, finally all being together, AJ happy and Meadow talking marriage.
Bullshit. I'll give it to you that it's your opinion, but you obviously haven't been watching the same show as I if you think this is 'crap'. Maybe you just get a hard on whenever there's blood or a pair of tits and you don't realize the underlying significance and symbolism put into much of the show.
Maybe cheesy to you, but a very good analogy. I think Chase was giving that scene to the audience more so than any other. I've read this explanation elsewhere, so I give it to you that it's not my original thought, but I found it compelling enough to repeat. If anything, the Entertainment Tonight's of the world would cater to YOU 'lowest common denominator' thirst for the simple ending, i.e. killed, arrested, heart attack. People nowadays want instant gratification, they don't want to think and they revel in simplicity and lazy thought.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Don't be so smug next time and you won't catch flack for it.
nowadays hits you when you're young
don't misinterpret my tone and you won't have to act like such a tough guy.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
I haven't seen this much man love since Vito and Johnny Cakes. :rolleyes:
nowadays hits you when you're young
Ok tough guy! How's the view swinging from Chase's nut sack?
If you can't take being talked to, you need to relax. Easy on the roids and the tough-guy bs talk. No I don't want to fight you, no I don't give a shit if you're offended and no I'm not going to read your posts the way you want me to. lol :rolleyes: No wonder people like you don't get this show. Bunch of meat heads.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Can you believe this fucking guy? Making opinions about a TV show personal? Nice... what a waste of time.
Of course...typical. I rip your 'theory' (cough..hack) apart and you've got nothin'. Case closed.
nowadays hits you when you're young
where do you get that i don't get the show? you really are a presumptuous ass.
"and onward goes this thing of ours."
You didnt rip anything but your ass open and a bunch of shit fell on the floor and you tried to make sense of it... still doesnt change the fact that you're swinging from his nuts...
Hmmm, I remember you jumping on my theory, keeping to myself MIND YOU, and calling it ridiculous, what did you say? Where did you hear that...Entertainment Tonite? :rolleyes:
Exactly.
You're the waste of time, jumping on me for my opinion on the show, first of all, and then jumping on me for the way this other jagoff acts.
nowadays hits you when you're young
*moment I realize I'm talking to a 14 year old. End discussion*
nowadays hits you when you're young
Relax, it's a show.
nowadays hits you when you're young
Worst. Episode. Ever.
I like the "We were whacked" angle that you propose though. It was the only way the show could end. Tony getting killed was way too predictable and a jail finale has been done before. I never really cared for this show too much but I still tuned in last night for some reason.