California, you disappoint me.

EvilMerlin
EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
edited November 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
Over five million assholes. You all suck. :(

Edit: In case you don't make it to chiqui's post below me, here's an online petition that's been started if you're a CA resident and of legal age to vote, you can sign if you're opposed to prop 8. Thank you chiqui. :)

http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html
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  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    Yep the scare tactics worked wonders there. Misinformation. :(
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • pearljamjen
    pearljamjen Posts: 13,578
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    Over five million assholes. You all suck. :(
    No YOU suck for not posting in my thread about this a couple weeks ago. I wonder if you even voted?
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

    i'm ashamed prop 8 passed, discrimination needs to be ended for everybody!

    sign the above! :)
  • CHANGEinWAVES
    CHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

    i'm ashamed prop 8 passed, discrimination needs to be ended for everybody!

    sign the above! :)
    do you have to be a californian to sign?
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • EvilMerlin
    EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    pearljamjen wrote:
    No YOU suck for not posting in my thread about this a couple weeks ago. I wonder if you even voted?

    Strange reason to hold a grudge... :)

    Yes.
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    do you have to be a californian to sign?
    i don't know, a friend just sent this to me. doesn't say otherwise as far as i can see? if it lets you, hell go for it :)
  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 NEW YORK Posts: 11,189
    they should let those poor bastards be as miserable as most married couples


    Michigan is gettin a head start on going green


    All kidding aside..this is AMERICA, people deserve better
  • EvilMerlin
    EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    do you have to be a californian to sign?

    It's meant for California residents.
  • CHANGEinWAVES
    CHANGEinWAVES Posts: 10,169
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    i don't know, a friend just sent this to me. doesn't say otherwise as far as i can see? if it lets you, hell go for it :)
    DAMN...California residents 18 and older:(
    "I'm not present, I'm a drug that makes you dream"
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    DAMN...California residents 18 and older:(
    aw boo, well that was cool that you tried! :)

    it's just messed up, it's something that is going to have to get pushed on a national level eventually...i read in the chronicle that some people are filing lawsuits and SF is still gonna fight it. right on!
  • Drop The Leash 10
    Drop The Leash 10 Posts: 7,011
    i still after months and months of thinking about it, dont know where i stand on it. i was brought catholic, got confirmed last april. i just really want the church and state to be seperate.
    I will be what i could be
    Once I get out of this town


    9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    http://www.petitiononline.com/seg5130/petition.html

    i'm ashamed prop 8 passed, discrimination needs to be ended for everybody!

    sign the above! :)
    I wish I could. :)
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    Drop The Leash 10 wrote:
    i still after months and months of thinking about it, dont know where i stand on it. i was brought catholic, got confirmed last april. i just really want the church and state to be seperate.
    i was raised catholic too. the way i figure, church and state *should* be separate! this has nothing to do with religion though, it's about honoring a union between two people who love each other, and their civil rights. i tihnk it's just a reaction to want to apply religion to the equation (not saying you, just in general :) )
  • walkunafraid
    walkunafraid Posts: 2,655
    I can't emphasize enough how ashamed I am that my state passed prop 8. What a complete load of shit. The scare tactics and outright lies worked...and myself and other opponents of prop 8 didn't do enough to fight back. I feel sick and depressed right now.

    Here's a blog I wrote on myspace the day before the election...I only wish I could have argued to a larger audience...


    Although I don't like to put my politics on others, I can't emphasize enough how strongly I feel about this issue.

    To be honest, I am simply insulted that this measure is even on the ballot.
    How dare we, as Californians -- as Americans -- as HUMANS, allow a proposition that would TAKE AWAY basic rights from human beings to be put on a ballot in the 21st century?

    Supporters of the initiative claim that the Bible says that marriage should be between a man and a woman. However, the Bible has been used in the past to justify slavery, the killing of Native Americans, and the superiority of men over women. I suppose that if these supporters of proposition 8 had been alive when these other atrocities had been taking place they would have been standing on a street corner supporting slavery, killing, and hatred then, too -- but that doesn't make it any more right.

    In the Bible -- in Leviticus, to be precise -- it states that if a man lies with another man, he should be put to death. So are we to take the Bible as law and start killing everyone who is homosexual? If we are to listen to the supporters of proposition 8, who claim that the Bible's word should be followed to the utmost, then I suppose we should.

    The simple truth is, we live in a democracy, not a theocracy -- and we can't allow the opinion of the Church to supersede that of our state.

    In recent weeks, the supporters of proposition 8 have been spreading vile lies and using misleading propaganda to try to persuade voters to support the proposition. Among the worst of these has a flier that was distributed to African American households implying that Barack Obama supports proposition 8 -- a claim that Obama has outright denied. In fact, Obama has strongly stated his opposition to prop 8.

    In addition, the campaign for prop 8 despicably tried to tie gay marriage to the Nazis and the Holocaust. Not only did the Anti-Defamation league strongly denounce the campaign for doing so, they also noted their opposition to the proposition.

    Worst, the campaign for prop 8 has been spreading lies, telling potential voters that if the proposition fails schools will be required to teach gay marriage to children. This is an outright lie. As a teacher myself, I can guarantee anyone that schools do not, and will not be required to, "teach" gay marriage to children. These lies are simply a desperate attempt by supporters of the proposition to gain as many votes as they can from confused and misled voters.

    My point is simple -- there is no reason to discriminate against a group of human beings just because you don't share their lifestyle. If proposition 8 passes, we will be taking a big step backward as a tolerant, equal society. Future generations will look upon us as bigots the same way we look upon the generations who enslaved, segregated, discriminated against, or killed others on the basis of their skin color or gender. That is not the California that I want to live in, and it should not be the California that you want to live in.
    Everything has chains...Absolutely nothing's changed. - PJ

    “The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.” - Albert Camus
  • pearljamjen
    pearljamjen Posts: 13,578
    EvilMerlin wrote:
    Strange reason to hold a grudge... :)

    Yes.

    Well you just called me an asshole.

    Thanks for posting that Chiqui. :)

    I've been so depressed about this. I want to be so happy that Obama won but I haven't even been able to muster a smile about anything. I'm just so saddened and so sickened.
  • wolfbear
    wolfbear Posts: 3,965
    CHANGEinWAVES wrote:
    do you have to be a californian to sign?
    Yes.
    "I'd rather be with an animal." "Those that can be trusted can change their mind." "The in between is mine." "If I don't lose control, explore and not explode, a preternatural other plane with the power to maintain." "Yeh this is living." "Life is what you make it."
  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    I don't see why govt. needs to be involved in marriage at all. Marriage is meant to be religious - it should stay in church. Why does the govt. have any say who we do or do not marry?
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • Drop The Leash 10
    Drop The Leash 10 Posts: 7,011
    chiquimonkey wrote:
    i was raised catholic too. the way i figure, church and state *should* be separate! this has nothing to do with religion though, it's about honoring a union between two people who love each other, and their civil rights. i tihnk it's just a reaction to want to apply religion to the equation (not saying you, just in general :) )
    youre right :p thanks haha
    I will be what i could be
    Once I get out of this town


    9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
  • EvilMerlin
    EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    Drop The Leash 10 wrote:
    i still after months and months of thinking about it, dont know where i stand on it. i was brought catholic, got confirmed last april. i just really want the church and state to be seperate.

    What if I opened the church of being gay? Shouldn't I have the same rights as you? And then we should be allowed to practice?

    Marraige isn't just a church foundation, it's legally recognized. Any church should have no say in the legal standing of a 2 person foundation. Do what you will within your church. When it comes to a legal matter for personal freedom, I don't really give a fuck what the book of whatever church says.

    Not to mention, a main foundation for marraige is based on property, not religion.


    Regardless of how anyone stands on it, the way to look at it is we're putting another law to take away freedom into our constitution. You're making it illegal for two people to partake in something that hurts absolutely nobody, and makes those two people and the supporters around them happy. It's really nobody's business. It's really a shame that we even have to vote on it!



    Oops...I think I just got this thread tossed into the MT. :p

    Oh, and I don't think any differently about you DTL, I respect your stance, it was just my general frustration rant. :D
  • EvilMerlin
    EvilMerlin Posts: 1,865
    pearljamjen wrote:
    Well you just called me an asshole.

    Thanks for posting that Chiqui. :)

    I've been so depressed about this. I want to be so happy that Obama won but I haven't even been able to muster a smile about anything. I'm just so saddened and so sickened.

    I think you missed the point of who I was calling an asshole. :)

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