*Official* Final Solution *Thread*

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  • bovy_j
    bovy_j Posts: 1,008
    Wow, what a prick thing to even come up with. Sorry that I wasn't born when you were, but I'm not a complaining fuck either. I pay my $25 per year, and I love being in the 10club. How fucking rude.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    bovy_j wrote:
    Wow, what a prick thing to even come up with. Sorry that I wasn't born when you were, but I'm not a complaining fuck either. I pay my $25 per year, and I love being in the 10club. How fucking rude.

    See.
    I was gonna split my membership with you,
    but then you had to get all beligerent.

    ;)
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  • SENROCK
    SENROCK Posts: 10,736
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    Given that so many people here clearly don't remember what the fuck it was like to be a humble fucking fan when the fucking 10 Club didn't offer the fucking privelage of receiving premium fucking seats to the best show on the fucking planet ...
    this part is the ONLY part of your post that is great!!! :D
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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,937
    Now thats final!
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  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    benjs wrote:
    4) I assume this post is a response to the responses regarding the Eddie Solo Tour Ticketing Fiasco... Well, try and imagine you don't have money for groceries because the Ten Club is holding your money. Don't you think you'd be a bit upset? Now, what's the difference between Ten Club holding your money and not telling you what's going on when you're broke, and when you're not? Either way, it seems a bit irresponsible.
    If you don't have money for groceries what the hell are you spending your money on tickets for???????? Maybe you had enough money for a pair and groceries, but were "charged" twice or more you say? Well you shouldn't be submitting your info multiple times then, regardless of an error message. If money is that tight you should be saving it anyway.

    Yes 10 Club is not handling this good in the least as far as I can tell, but come on, people need to be responsible with their money!

    EDIT: The you I'm referring to is a general you, not someone specific.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    and get rid of seniority!

    the old timers are spoiled and jaded
  • duggro
    duggro Posts: 1,343
    Im still here wrote:
    only one question, what is so OFFICIAL about your opinion?

    and an elitist opinion at that...........

    ps: get some sleep, you are delirious
    man, every one of your posts is so aggressive and single minded

    you have issues
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    Given that so many people here clearly don't remember what the fuck it was like to be a humble fucking fan when the fucking 10 Club didn't offer the fucking privelage of receiving premium fucking seats to the best show on the fucking planet ...

    I don't really buy into the idea that 10club are offering these services purely out of the goodness of their heart. I mean yes they are very generous to the members (and I am very appreciative) but at the same time they are getting something very valuable out of the club as well, namely the members list. I mean can you imagine if McDonalds had a list with the names and contact numbers of the 200,000 or so people who go to McDonald’s the most? The information would be crazy valuable from a promotions and marketing stand point. That is pretty much what the tenclub is, I mean look at how much free buzz they generate each year from the Christmas single.

    In exchange for our information we are rewarded with things like seats and merchandise. It is pretty much the same thing as a frequent flyer or store rewards program. But to think that 10club and Pearl Jam are doing this for entirely our benefit is kind of silly.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I don't really buy into the idea that 10club are offering these services purely out of the goodness of their heart. I mean yes they are very generous to the members (and I am very appreciative) but at the same time they are getting something very valuable out of the club as well, namely the members list. I mean can you imagine if McDonalds had a list with the names and contact numbers of the 200,000 or so people who go to McDonald’s the most? The information would be crazy valuable from a promotions and marketing stand point. That is pretty much what the tenclub is, I mean look at how much free buzz they generate each year from the Christmas single.

    In exchange for our information we are rewarded with things like seats and merchandise. It is pretty much the same thing as a frequent flyer or store rewards program. But to think that 10club and Pearl Jam are doing this for entirely our benefit is kind of silly.

    Wow. I thought you were going to say 10C motive was to secure your $$$ directly through tickets ...

    ... but you warped it (and lost me) with the selling the member list for profit.

    I highly doubt they would EVER do this.
    I could be way in the wrong on that,
    but i've known tenclub to do stupid things,
    and i've seen a little of placating the elitistis sure,
    but never anything that scumbag corporate.
    Seriously.

    I think you are off on that call.

    ;)


    Also i want to let the people who may not understand this know it for sure ...
    i FULLY believe in my heart, that when 10C was set up, their SOLE aim was to provide THE FAN with a BETTER FAN EXPERIENCE. ... PERIOD.

    10C was a COST CENTER ... a MONEY LOSER for A LONG LONG TIME ...
    and that was before they started selling tickets.

    To say that the fanclub was in it for the money is BS.
    I and probably anyone else whose been around here long enough can give you STORY AFTER STORY of how the 10C came through like a night in shining fucking armor to right some wrong ... to help transfer tickets ... to fix a mistake ... to GET A MEMBER NUMBER BACK after expiration ... they BENT OVER BACKWARDS to please!

    They still do. Best they can.
    But so many have piled on the goddamn "bitch" bandwagon, that now they try to transfer tickets, and the masses either complain about it, or abuse it ...they offer tickets and more of the same ...

    Sure, Pearl Jam, as the music industry as a whole has lost $$$ steam and had to reorganize its profit methods, has become a bit more "corporate" ... they are 5\6 guys and a WHOLE STAFF that needs to eat ...

    ... and with that change, 10C itself has got a bit more Suit & Tie ...

    but i know in my heart of fucking hearts that the main goal of 10C is to PLEASE UNPLEASEABLE BASTARDS and DO IT REPEATEDLY TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY!

    Anyone here who has met Tim or Kerensa can probably give you a kind story.
    I know i can. (okay, please lets not start the bitch about Kerensa thread. She tries. She tries. She tries.)
    Kerensa personaly got me a fanclub single that went out before i joined, got me some that went out when my membership had lapsed (mine expires over christmas. it sucks!) saved my member number once!, got me transfers in '03, fixed a ticketing snafu in '01 ... pretty sure she was responsible for addressing the envelope for the first show i ever attended in '95 ... answered a slew of emails regarding tickets ... corrected a double billing (just like this one you guys are bitching about) and did it humbly and as quickly as she possibly could.

    Likewise, from what i know of Tim he is a laid back honest man of virtue, and they are running this ship as well as they can ... and yes the backend server needs some work ... but goddamnit its the fucking Tenclub people. Either get on their side or get off the fucking field already.

    I'm just sick of people bitching about it.
    It makes me really sad.
    Its pathetic.

    Coming from someone who knows where this club came from, and what it became.
    And how much shit they've gotten for such a good thing over so many years
    :(
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Wow. I thought you were going to say 10C motive was to secure you $$$ directly through tickets ...

    ... but you warped it (and lost me) with the selling the member list for profit.

    I highly doubt they would EVER do this.
    I could be way in the wrong on that,
    but i've known tenclub to do stupid things,
    and i've seen a little of placating the elitistis sure,
    but never anything that scumbag corporate.
    Seriously.

    I think you are off on that call.

    ;)

    I never said they would sell the list to any 3rd party and I don't think that they would do that. But keeping it for themselves and using the list as a promotional tool for the band is highly valuable. I already mentioned that the Christmas single creates a ton of free buzz (both word of mouth and in the media).

    And if they were planning a tour, the fan club list instantly gives them information on where the largest groups of hard core fans live.

    I mean even with the poster book, the fan club list gave them thousands of email address that they could send messages too to let people know the book was coming out, without that list I am sure they wouldn't have sold as many as they did.

    Seriously think of it like a frequent flyer program. The airline isn't just giving you free tickets because they like you. They are giving them to you in exchange for information on when and how often you fly, which there marketing department can use to make money.
  • McJuicy
    McJuicy Posts: 759
    i don't think he was implying that ten club would sell the members list, rather just making the point that being able to identify who your customer is an valuable aspect of strategic business management
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    McJuicy wrote:
    i don't think he was implying that ten club would sell the members list, rather just making the point that being able to identify who your customer is an valuable aspect of strategic business management

    Right.
    I get that from the clarification. :D

    And i have no problems with that.
    Sounds like neither do either of the two of you.

    But again, knowing where the fanclub came from, and reading things like the TFT interview with Tim, it is very apparent that the 10C was LOSING MONEY FOR A LONG LONG TIME ... and at some point the band stepped in directly and said, "Look we love the fans, and we want the best for them, but PLEASE try to make this operation SELF SUFFICIENT!"

    And there is NOTHING wrong with that!

    The 10C is still, IMHO, the best fanclub fucking money can buy ... and if you've had there back from the word "jump", they've had yours right back!

    :D
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Right.
    I get that from the clarification. :D

    And i have no problems with that.
    Sounds like neither do either of the two of you.

    But again, knowing where the fanclub came from, and reading things like the TFT interview with Tim, it is very apparent that the 10C was LOSING MONEY FOR A LONG LONG TIME ... and at some point the band stepped in directly and said, "Look we love the fans, and we want the best for them, but PLEASE try to make this operation SELF SUFFICIENT!"

    And there is NOTHING wrong with that!

    The 10C is still, IMHO, the best fanclub fucking money can buy ... and if you've had there back from the word "jump", they've had yours right back!

    :D

    I have no problem at all with the 10club using the fan club list as a marketing tool. I think it would be stupid not to. It just bugs me when people think that the 10club is only being run to benefit the fans and has no benefit to the band.

    Although I am not sure if you can measure the success of the fan club by looking at it as a totally independent self sufficient operation. I mean to use an exaggerated example, the fan club might lose 1-million dollars over a year but because of the work of the fan club Pearl Jam the band might make an extra 5-million dollars off of increased ticket and CD sales. If that was the case as, 10club as an independent operation wouldn’t be very successful, but as part of the band’s operation as a whole it would be very successful. The problem is I don’t know enough about marketing to know how you would measure that, but I am sure that 10club has an effect on the bands profits that you can’t measure by looking just at the 10club books.
  • ECM
    ECM Posts: 1,687
    so many assumptions around here.....

    Anyway, I need a final solution to what I'm having for lunch today
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Evil Closet Monkey wrote:
    so many assumptions around here.....

    Anyway, I need a final solution to what I'm having for lunch today

    i could realy go for a GOOD chimichanga!
    And a strong margarita, rocks, salt and a sidecar of Don Julio!

    :D:D:D
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    I have no problem at all with the 10club using the fan club list as a marketing tool. I think it would be stupid not to. It just bugs me when people think that the 10club is only being run to benefit the fans and has no benefit to the band.

    Although I am not sure if you can measure the success of the fan club by looking at it as a totally independent self sufficient operation. I mean to use an exaggerated example, the fan club might lose 1-million dollars over a year but because of the work of the fan club Pearl Jam the band might make an extra 5-million dollars off of increased ticket and CD sales. If that was the case as, 10club as an independent operation wouldn’t be very successful, but as part of the band’s operation as a whole it would be very successful. The problem is I don’t know enough about marketing to know how you would measure that, but I am sure that 10club has an effect on the bands profits that you can’t measure by looking just at the 10club books.

    Right.

    What i am saying is up until VERY recently (like 2003 or later) i don't think the 10C was run with a BUSINESS strategy at ALL ... i think it was a PURE cost center ... run with 1 real goal ... pleasing the fanclub, and keeping a loyal fanbase ... particularly in times where PJ was increasingly NOT a public image ... they were so far from the mainstream of music for most of the No Code - Avocado era ... sure you can argue they got airplay in Philly ... but come on ...

    The tenclub kept fans happy (or most of them at least) ... and that was good enough ... for a LONG time ...

    at SOME point, the band realized that it needed its fanclub to carry some weight.
    And wether that resulted in a true profit center or just an augmented cost center that provided enough real value to the other major profit center (the band proper) to offset its liability to Pearl Jam Inc., i think is irrelevant ...

    the point I was making is that I truly believe in my heart, given what i personaly experienced with 10C over the years, is that it was a BORN A THING OF LOVE ...
    the band was truly using it to give back to the fans.

    Of course where there is money to be made, money will eventualy be made, and whose to fault them for that ...

    but i'm TELLIN YA ... you guys are barking up the wrong tree if you think they are heartless assholes just trying to get your $$$ ...

    if anything, they may have become heartless because "you" made 'em that way by relentless bitching ...

    hence the "baby bird" logo ... never fucking happy, always fucking whines for more, oh boo hoo ... feed me feed me ...
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  • EquallyWorthless
    EquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    Im still here wrote:
    only one question, what is so OFFICIAL about your opinion?

    and an elitist opinion at that...........

    ps: get some sleep, you are delirious


    agreed , so youre saying becuase i only joined in 05 and my number is higher than 250X that im not WORTHY of being in the 10c ???
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  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    i didnt get the gist of your post because i couldnt get past the intelligent use of the work "fuck" 50 billion times...haha

    just messin

    only complaint i have about the 10C is their server sucks, which in the big picture of life is small, but getting tickets is a headache and this is coming from someone who actually got to go to the Vic :)
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:


    Of course where there is money to be made, money will eventualy be made, and whose to fault them for that ...

    but i'm TELLIN YA ... you guys are barking up the wrong tree if you think they are heartless assholes just trying to get your $$$ ...

    I see what you are saying and I think if the fan club can make some cash without alienating too many fans they should totally go for it. I don't think they are heartless assholes at all. But at the same time I recognize that they are a company, where as I get the feeling that some people on the board have 10club confused with UNICEF or the Red Cross.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    pjalive21 wrote:
    and this is coming from someone who actually got to go to the Vic :)

    Yeah.
    Well fuck YOU!
    ;)

    I was shut out on that shit!
    :(

    Oh well.
    How it goes.

    Honestly i can't believe that 5 years after 2003 we're still having these server problems, but just keep dealing with it and bitching about it, maybe they'll get it right.

    I hope everyone understands that the original post was intended to be illustrative of the hypocricy inherent about bitching about a system you are quite possibly to new to realy understand. About how bitching about it in front of a whole bunch of people who have known life without even having such a great thing to be bitching about can be pretty offensive. And also, how a "solution" to one person is a total slap in the face to 20 other people.

    Oh. And i fully get that its not just the "newer" members that are bitching like fuck-all ... the ones under 250K that are bitching? They are the elitists. ;D ;D ;D

    Anyhow.
    Just stop ragging on our poor little club. Its the only club we got.
    And they could be realy spiteful and make it a lot worse if so many continue to be such ungrateful fucks.
    Thats all i'm saying.
    :D:D
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