sin and forgiveness

angelica · November 2008

Sweet Emotion wrote:

I'm not confusing anything. And I can tell you that I have read more Nietzsche than anyone you know. I am not only well aware of my ego and ego based thinking- which, by the way is where people reside. Beyond the id and on this plane far beneath the super ego. But I am also keenly aware of my surroundings and of the fact that one day some asshole is going to try to steal my savings from me because I'll be an old fucker. They won't get it though, you know why? Because I've got my feet firmly planted here on planet earth where there are shitty people everywhere doing their shitty people stuff. And when they roll the end credits on your life you'll see this hasn't been a Disney production.

You're right, it's not a Disney production. I'm speaking in the context of this thread, and in the context of forgiveness, and it's purpose. Humans seek connection with their Truth beyond the ugliness, sometimes/often through the vehicle of forgiveness.

Sweet Emotion · November 2008

angelica wrote:

You're right, it's not a Disney production. I'm speaking in the context of this thread, and in the context of forgiveness, and it's purpose. Humans seek connection with their Truth beyond the ugliness, sometimes/often through the vehicle of forgiveness.

You had been speaking of sin and repentance, not of forgiveness.
But that's ok. I won't hold it against you..

angelica · November 2008

Sweet Emotion wrote:

You had been speaking of sin and repentance, not of forgiveness.
But that's ok. I won't hold it against you..

You may have overlooked the original context I spoke of in this thread, that Abu responded to, and that I responded back to him...whereupon you challenged what I said. It's all part of one context. You may have removed it from that context, and yet it doesn't change what I've said, and intended.

Sweet Emotion · November 2008

angelica wrote:

You may have overlooked the original context I spoke of in this thread, that Abu responded to, and that I responded back to him...whereupon you challenged what I said. It's all part of one context. You may have removed it from that context, and yet it doesn't change what I've said, and intended.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abuskedti
No. What I mean is, whenever someone chooses to do something, they believe, all things considered, that it is the right thing to do.

Noone ever does anything they know is wrong. Now all things are surely completed.. and they may know there is some wrong, but in sum - all the good and bad totalled in every action - adds up on the good side, or they would not have done it.

in hindsight, they may realize they were looking at it wrong... but nobody ever does anything they think is wrong in sum.. or they wouldn't do it.

that is what I believe.
I totally agree with you about this.

Even when people do what they "know" is wrong...they don't yet fully know it, imo, and are still involved in the learning process (by experience)... When they know better, they do better."

This is the exact context of the posting. There is nothing about forgiveness here. It is a very naive train of thought to believe that people, knowingly, will act only out of good. You agreed with that idea and I tell you it isn't so.
That has been very simply stated through out.
I wish you well.

angelica · November 2008

Sweet Emotion wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abuskedti
No. What I mean is, whenever someone chooses to do something, they believe, all things considered, that it is the right thing to do.

Noone ever does anything they know is wrong. Now all things are surely completed.. and they may know there is some wrong, but in sum - all the good and bad totalled in every action - adds up on the good side, or they would not have done it.

in hindsight, they may realize they were looking at it wrong... but nobody ever does anything they think is wrong in sum.. or they wouldn't do it.

that is what I believe.
I totally agree with you about this.

Even when people do what they "know" is wrong...they don't yet fully know it, imo, and are still involved in the learning process (by experience)... When they know better, they do better."

This is the exact context of the posting. There is nothing about forgiveness here. It is a very naive train of thought to believe that people, knowingly, will act only out of good. You agreed with that idea and I tell you it isn't so.
That has been very simply stated through out.
I wish you well.

Okay...thanks for telling me my context and intent............................:)

When you're willing to hear me, you will, and not a moment sooner.

Sweet Emotion · November 2008

angelica wrote:

Okay...thanks for telling me my context and intent............................:)

When you're willing to hear me, you will, and not a moment sooner.

I'm not telling you anything. I'm quoting you, and pointing out for you, with exactitude, the conversation. We did not deviate from that line of conversation until you said you had been talking about something that you were not talking about.
If you want to continue, I'm all ears. If not, I'm all smiles. Cheers.

angelica · November 2008

Sweet Emotion wrote:

I'm not telling you anything. I'm quoting you, and pointing out for you, with exactitude, the conversation. We did not deviate from that line of conversation until you said you had been talking about something that you were not talking about.
If you want to continue, I'm all ears. If not, I'm all smiles. Cheers.

When you're pointing out with "exactitude", you continue to overlook my first post in this thread, which abu responded to, which came prior in the whole sequence, to where you decided to make my "exact" context start.

Regardless of what I tell you of my intent and what it's about.

catefrances · November 2008

angelica wrote:

And they do these things because they have justified them somehow. They have given themselves entitlement. That is very different from realizing they are wrong. When people understand the error of their ways...they are seriously remorseful, and changed.

i agree angelica. people who do do bad things justify it to themselves. however i dont believe for a second that once theyve understood the error of their ways they are remorseful, seriously or otherwise. sure some will be, but not all.

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