Terrorism, seriously..

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Mutiny! he cried wrote:
    My god, I played right into their hands! I've been reduced to a mere patsy in this vile scheme

    NO MORE! I love you, PJ_Gurl!!


    thank goodness youve seen the error of your ways. ;):D
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    It would be great to get rid of terrorism, that way Muslims can go back to what they are good at, limiting rights for women, limiting free speech, limiting religion, etc....

    The good ole days, right? You act like America is the cause of everything that is wrong in the Middle East, when in fact, Islamic fundamentalism plays the largest role.
    Social problems in the Middle East have nothing to do with America, no. That is definitely due to religious fundamentalism. But terrorism and fundamentalism don't have a causal relationship. There's fundamentalism everywhere...it's in America too. We see terrorist attacks on abortion clinics and federal buildings by religious fundamentalists and other sorts of activity like that. But nobody blames Christian fundamentalism for it, and rightly so. A lot of people do a lot of bad things in the name of religion, and they're all full of crap when they talk about "I'm doing because God/Allah/whoever wants me to"....they do it because they're pissed off about something and they don't know how to deal with it in any other way except through violence. They're totally wrong and nuts for doing what they're doing, but I think a lot of violent acts like that could've been prevented if the person wasn't so pissed off in the first place. And these nuts in the Middle East are definitely pissed off about Israel, about America's unconditional support for Israel, about America's support of some of the brutal regimes that rule them, etc.
  • Mutiny! he cried
    Mutiny! he cried Posts: 162
    catefrances wrote:
    thank goodness youve seen the error of your ways. ;):D

    Where would men be without intelligent women keeping them in line? ;)
    'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'

    'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
    and you swear it's not a trend
    it doesn't matter anyway
    there's no need to talk as friends
    nothing news everyday
    all the kids will eat it up
    if it's packaged properly'
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Mutiny! he cried wrote:
    Where would men be without intelligent women keeping them in line? ;)

    starting wars... oh wait...
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Human was the first time, I think everyone jumped aboard.

    Not me.
    As soon as they began beating the war drums I thought "What does bombing the shit out of a country have to do with defeating terrorism"?
    The English didn't drop bombs on Northern Ireland, so why drop bombs on Afghanistan?
  • Mutiny! he cried
    Mutiny! he cried Posts: 162
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not me.
    As soon as they began beating the war drums I thought "What does bombing the shit out of a country have to do with defeating terrorism"?
    The English didn't drop bombs on Northern Ireland, so why drop bombs on Afghanistan?


    I didn't jump on board, either. Not that I believe the official story but less than 3,000 died, we kill or help kill more than that every year for decades.

    You can't use aggression as an answer to aggression
    'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'

    'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
    and you swear it's not a trend
    it doesn't matter anyway
    there's no need to talk as friends
    nothing news everyday
    all the kids will eat it up
    if it's packaged properly'
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Mutiny! he cried wrote:
    How have you done this for months and months, it says you just joined like 2 weeks ago??

    The election was going on long before I joined here, and I am able to have conversations with people that don't involve the internet... it's a social skill I suspect many here lack. Nobody is more condescending and arrogant and self-righteous than a left-winger. I know, I used to be one. I campaigned for Nader in 2000. My firsthand experience with these attitudes goes back a long way, but it's gotten worse recently as people like some of the folks in this thread insist that nobody with a brain would ever consider voting for Obama... that every vote cast for the man was cast by a deluded sheep who will never be willing to admit he's done anything wrong. It's become tiresome.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not me.
    As soon as they began beating the war drums I thought "What does bombing the shit out of a country have to do with defeating terrorism"?
    The English didn't drop bombs on Northern Ireland, so why drop bombs on Afghanistan?
    Exactly. I think it's bullshit that people try to use the excuse of "9/11 scared me so I had to support the war." While it's too late to change anything, people should realize they ARE indeed responsible for all those deaths, and they need to learn not to be so foolish next time.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    unifiedscene wrote:
    Nobody is more condescending and arrogant and self-righteous than a left-winger. I know, I used to be one.

    Ah, a born again republican. That explains a lot.
    So what changed your mind? Did you start earning a lot of money?
  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Ah, a born again republican. That explains a lot.

    More of a born-again democrat, or maybe libertarian. Or you could call me a former hippy that's now in recovery.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • Mutiny! he cried
    Mutiny! he cried Posts: 162
    unifiedscene wrote:
    The election was going on long before I joined here, and I am able to have conversations with people that don't involve the internet... it's a social skill I suspect many here lack. Nobody is more condescending and arrogant and self-righteous than a left-winger. I know, I used to be one. I campaigned for Nader in 2000. My firsthand experience with these attitudes goes back a long way, but it's gotten worse recently as people like some of the folks in this thread insist that nobody with a brain would ever consider voting for Obama... that every vote cast for the man was cast by a deluded sheep who will never be willing to admit he's done anything wrong. It's become tiresome.


    I found it amusing you started your post being condescending then proceeded to complain about others doing it.

    I didn't notice anyone being so absolute towards Obama supporters in this thread as you claim.
    'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'

    'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
    and you swear it's not a trend
    it doesn't matter anyway
    there's no need to talk as friends
    nothing news everyday
    all the kids will eat it up
    if it's packaged properly'
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Mutiny! he cried wrote:
    I found it amusing you started your post being condescending then proceeded to complain about others doing it.
    :D
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    Mutiny! he cried wrote:
    I found it amusing you started your post being condescending then proceeded to complain about others doing it.

    I didn't notice anyone being so absolute towards Obama supporters in this thread as you claim.

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=6028414&postcount=3

    I intended to come off annoyed, not condescending. The above is one of about 9 posts I've seen by this guy in just 2 weeks that say essentially the same thing, and he's not the only one.

    All I'm saying is the guy's been elected for not even 30 days, he's not signed any laws or issued any executive orders, and I'm still just riding a little high on the fact that we're getting rid of Dubya and having a shot at maybe turning this country around a bit. It's one thing to piss on my parade, I could live with that. But people like the above poster, on and offline, have spent past 3 weeks claiming to know who I am and why I voted for him and what I expect from him and it's getting very, very old. It's like they are hoping for a massive, catastrophic failure just because it would give them a chance to gloat, without regard to how bad it would be for us as a country.
    she was underwhelmed, if that's a word
  • inhiding 1976
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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    It would be great to get rid of terrorism, that way Muslims can go back to what they are good at, limiting rights for women, limiting free speech, limiting religion, etc....

    The good ole days, right? You act like America is the cause of everything that is wrong in the Middle East, when in fact, Islamic fundamentalism plays the largest role.

    That is just not true. Fundamentalism does not play the largest role and yes America is the cause for many problems in the mid east. All? No, but many, Mainly in the last 60 or so years.

    btw, before America existed, in many Muslim countries, free speech, Math, science, art...Womens rights, = rights! were what Muslim were good at.
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    MrBrian wrote:
    That is just not true. Fundamentalism does not play the largest role and yes America is the cause for many problems in the mid east. All? No, but many, Mainly in the last 60 or so years.

    btw, before America existed, in many Muslim countries, free speech, Math, science, art...Womens rights, = rights! were what Muslim were good at.

    So when did they take away women's rights? Or is getting stoned to death to save her family's honor because three dudes ganged raped her a part of it?
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    So when did they take away women's rights? Or is getting stoned to death to save her family's honor because three dudes ganged raped her a part of it?

    You speak as if people in the middle east are going around stoning women all day. These kind of things happen in very rural areas in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia who haven't really opened up to the world yet. Since you will mention Iran, well they happen to treat men to the same aggressive laws in that country.

    If you take away law enforcement from some states in America I'd be willing to bet some white supremacists will go on a brutal killing rampage of African-Americans. Evil lurks in all places.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    So when did they take away women's rights? Or is getting stoned to death to save her family's honor because three dudes ganged raped her a part of it?

    What...in the US backed Saudi Arabia? Nothing religious about them. They are hypocrites, kings in palaces. Protected by America.

    Or do you mean Iran? You know they were doing well until the CIA coup of Mossedeq, the democratically elected leader of Iran. Who the US took down and gave the people of Iran the corrupt Shah.

    Maybe Afghanistan, another country will fountains and peace, until the soviets invaded them and America used them and left them to rot under so called religous people.

    Maybe Pakistan? Shit, they have already had a female president.
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    MrBrian wrote:
    What...in the US backed Saudi Arabia? Nothing religious about them. They are hypocrites, kings in palaces. Protected by America.

    Or do you mean Iran? You know they were doing well until the CIA coup of Mossedeq, the democratically elected leader of Iran. Who the US took down and gave the people of Iran the corrupt Shah.

    Maybe Afghanistan, another country will fountains and peace, until the soviets invaded them and America used them and left them to rot under so called religous people.

    Maybe Pakistan? Shit, they have already had a female president.
    Oh come on. America's foreign policy tends to suck badly but human beings didn't wait for the CIA to exist to become prejudiced, stupid, intolerant, violent and extremist. People in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and rural parts of most countries in the world do that very well on there own. It has more to do with a lack of education/contact with a wide world than a massive worlwide scheme by the CIA to make the muslims look bad.
    The law in saudi arabia is backwards and shitty, that's a fact. The oppression and lack of freedom in ex-Taliban-controlled afghanistan and Iran is high, that's also true. This doesn't have much to do with muslim faith but it's still true.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Kann wrote:
    Oh come on. America's foreign policy tends to suck badly but human beings didn't wait for the CIA to exist to become prejudiced, stupid, intolerant, violent and extremist. People in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and rural parts of most countries in the world do that very well on there own. It has more to do with a lack of education/contact with a wide world than a massive worlwide scheme by the CIA to make the muslims look bad.
    The law in saudi arabia is backwards and shitty, that's a fact. The oppression and lack of freedom in ex-Taliban-controlled afghanistan and Iran is high, that's also true. This doesn't have much to do with muslim faith but it's still true.

    Sure! But my reply was to this


    -So when did they take away women's rights? Or is getting stoned to death to save her family's honor because three dudes ganged raped her a part of it?
    ----

    I was pointing out how those 3 main countries on focus have been heavily hurt by US policy and in the case Of saudi arabia, it's protected by the Americans.

    Of course intolerant and ignorant people can be found in any corner of the world.

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