Not this girl, and from what i have read over time here amongst a lot of the other obama supporters, and obama supporters that i know personally, i strongly disagree with what you are saying and i think you are wrong. You have nothing to base this on. Absolutely nothing. You really can be quite insulting at times.
Like I said, not everyone.
But you see, I do have something to base what I say on...it's called 'History'
is that not a good guide to base things on?
I also look at the lack of demands people made on Obama now, the excuces they make up for his blind support of Israel, his words on Iran and Russia.
Even now that he is picking the most hawkish of hawks, he's given a pass. That is not right and it's indeed a very good picture of what is to come.
But you see, I do have something to base what I say on...it's called 'History'
is that not a good guide to base things on?
I also look at the lack of demands people made on Obama now, the excuces they make up for his blind support of Israel, his words on Iran and Russia.
Even now that he is picking the most hawkish of hawks, he's given a pass. That is not right and it's indeed a very good picture of what is to come.
Again I agree with you. I'm basing my view on the way Obama supporters on this board excuse his choices, apparently no matter what he does or what he's affiliated with. And Obama is known for his charisma...he has the ability to get the masses to go along with just about anything... he's wayyy more subtle and savvy than George Bush, and then, depending on his choices and intent, has the potential to be amazing or horrific. To overlook the fact that this 'charisma' can unite people for almost anything is a mistake...
Granted there are some people on this board I am not seeing a free pass from.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
How does assembling a rehash of pro war hawks, and corrupt throwbacks from the Clinton era, and beyond, i.e. gates and his little Iran/contra affair equate to progress?
These guys are fermented shit on a stick. They should be tossed in jail, not given additional opportunity to screw everyone over with renewed fervor and zeal.
It would appear rather insane. Barack is just doing what his already complicit advisers (architects rather) are telling him to do.
I think Obama is quite simply shitting his pants, and in over his head....and that's giving him credit to his character. If he isn't scared shitless, then he's complicit, which ironically makes a lot more sense.
Has he looked into any sort of history of these people at all.
It seems his pastor sure did and was pretty vocal about it. Did any rub off on him, or did he kick up his Ipod during all the (many many) sermons and simply nod off?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and right now hes a lame duck pardoning thanksgiving turkeys.
Don't be too sure. What did Clinton do in the last days of his 2nd term?
He signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which allowed credit derivatives, default swaps and futures contracts to be sold and traded w/ no regulation
Which coupled w/ the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act in 99 helped set the stage for this financial mess we're in.
'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
How have you done this for months and months, it says you just joined like 2 weeks ago??
:rolleyes:
this place has gone to the shitter. seriously. what's with the trying to call people out? that's the fourth time i've seen it here in the last few days. People who join 3 days ago, and have 34 posts should shut their mouths, unless of course you are going to proclaim you have never been here before.
I'm with you there. The whining and condescension from the left are starting to make me appreciate those right-wing Christian nutters. At least they're honest about believing themselves to be superior, these left-wingers are so disingenuously insulting. For 8 years, we heard about how Bush was an idiot and anyone who supported him was an idiot. Now it's Obama and he's a war-mongering idiot and anyone who voted for him is a brain-dead sheep. If Nader had won, these people would switch camps and start whining about how he's arming Palestine and complaining that his supporters are sheep.
These people have no real solutions to offer, they just like to complain and feel superior and martyred by spotting all the flaws in everyone else's ideas while being very careful to never advance any of their own. Why? Because that's actually really hard and they have no ideas other than that everyone else is wrong and probably secretly a fascist sheep. And even if they had any ideas, they wouldn't put them out for public debate because it would expose the fact that their ideas also have plenty of flaws and that their opium dreams of some utopian world peace orgy are absurd. This is an imperfect world where imperfect leaders make imperfect decisions in reaction to the irrational decisions of other leaders.
If Obama starts beating a war drum, I'll be first in line to be pissed off and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. I gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt until he started spouting his Axis of Evil bullshit. But just because I supported Obama and think he stands to do a much better job than the last administration does not mean he gets a blank check from me, or anyone else I know that supported him. Yes, we think he's good and yes we're hopeful that he'll be great. But that does not mean we're all blind and haven't learned anything over the last 8 years. Nor does it mean we're all brain dead sheep who had no idea what his stances were. They act like all we need is for them to grace us with a little bit of their blessed intellect and we will all see the light and realize Obama is actually Satan. :rolleyes:
How have you done this for months and months, it says you just joined like 2 weeks ago??
I, on the other hand, think this is a very astute observation you have made. Someone could read only this post (the one you quoted) and tie the criteria together and come up with this question. It's entirely valid....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Don't be too sure. What did Clinton do in the last days of his 2nd term?
He signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which allowed credit derivatives, default swaps and futures contracts to be sold and traded w/ no regulation
Which coupled w/ the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act in 99 helped set the stage for this financial mess we're in.
well for me that is lameness. ingratiating moves in order to gain some 'good grace' from certain sections of the community. also known as the suck up.
they do shit and then run away and someone else has to deal with the fall out somewhere along the line.
p.s. cant wait to see bushs presidential library.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
this place has gone to the shitter. seriously. what's with the trying to call people out? that's the fourth time i've seen it here in the last few days. People who join 3 days ago, and have 34 posts should shut their mouths, unless of course you are going to proclaim you have never been here before.
I should shut my mouth b/c I averaged like 11 posts a day and asked a question?? Maybe you should kiss my ass.
How many posts would be acceptable for me to have in your eyes? I must have missed the stated limit.
It,s pretty telling how you react to my simple question compared w/ your reaction, or lack of, elsewhere.
You do realize part of democracy is dealing w/ disagreements, don't you?
'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
I should shut my mouth b/c I averaged like 11 posts a day and asked a question?? Maybe you should kiss my ass.
How many posts would be acceptable for me to have in your eyes? I must have missed the stated limit.
It,s pretty telling how you react to my simple question compared w/ your reaction, or lack of, elsewhere.
You do realize part of democracy is dealing w/ disagreements, don't you?
Why call someone out? I don't give a fuck how many posts you do or don't have. I just thinks it's lame you call someone out when you have clearly been here before under another member name.
I, on the other hand, think this is a very astute observation you have made. Someone could read only this post (the one you quoted) and tie the criteria together and come up with this question. It's entirely valid....
That's your opinion and you are clearly entitled to it.
Why call someone out? I don't give a fuck how many posts you do or don't have. I just thinks it's lame you call someone out when you have clearly been here before under another member name.
Have you?
I asked a question b/c what was said didn't make sense.
Why does me having 34 posts in 3 or 4 days 'clearly mean' i've posted here before? Obviously you care enough about my post count to have brought it up.
'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
I asked a question b/c what was said didn't make sense.
Why does me having 34 posts in 3 or 4 days 'clearly mean' i've posted here before? Obviously you care enough about my post count to have brought it up.
For the second time... Listening ears on? I don't give a rats ass about your post count. Are we clear? Good. Now how about you answer the question? Have you been here before under another name?
oh i get it now. all pjgurl asked was if mutiny! had been here before under another username. and if he/she has then what are they doing calling out unifiedscene for basically the same thing. have i got that straight?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
oh i get it now. all pjgurl asked was if mutiny! had been here before under another username. and if he/she has then what are they doing calling out unifiedscene for basically the same thing. have i got that straight?
Yes there was. Someone told unifiedscene of better ways of dealing w/ people who they disagree w/ to which unifiedscene replied they did try that for months yet they haven't even been a member for 2 weeks and if they got banned it 'clearly means' they weren't speaking very respectfully or following any of the other ideas.
And no, I am not a member banned or suspended under another name.
'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
Yes there was. Someone told unifiedscene of better ways of dealing w/ people who they disagree w/ to which unifiedscene replied they did try that for months yet they haven't even been a member for 2 weeks and if they got banned it 'clearly means' they weren't speaking very respectfully or following any of the other ideas.
And no, I am not a member banned or suspended under another name.
I see. So you just felt like getting a new name then
I apologize if i am incorrect. As stated previously, it seems to be rather common over the last few days that people are calling others out. I think that's lame. Personally, i have never been banned, and i only have one user account. There's been a couple of times where i have been disrespectful and maybe should have received a ban, but i was lucky. There's many times here where a lot of people do lose their cool and i know that's not acceptable and outside the rules. Some of you are just more clever at being assholes with your use of smilies and sarcasm. Me, i wear my heart on my sleeve and call it as it is.
"Jeremiah (Wright) was a bull frog...
he was a good friend of mine...
I never understood a fuckin sin-gle
word he said because my Ipod just
blew my mind.
He said CHANGE... to the the world ,
all the boys and girls, CHANGE to the fishies
in the deep blue sea , CHANGE to you and me."
honey....wake up...
huh? wha?
you fell asleep during the sermon with your Ipod on again.
Oh I did? heh...good sermon honey....The lord spoke to me through my Ipod...he sang me some CCR this time. I freaking love this little Ipod thing...it's so tiny and freakin cool...anyhow...let's bust this shit hole...I'll go get the car...watch the kids will ya?
See ya next Sunday Reverend... (tosses spare change in the collection plate)
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
this is exactly what they want. they want to divide us so they can sneak in the back door and blow our arses up. unite people unite!!!
My god, I played right into their hands! I've been reduced to a mere patsy in this vile scheme
NO MORE! I love you, PJ_Gurl!!
'and I can't imagine why you wouldn't welcome any change, my brother'
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
Comments
it's ultimately the thing that divides us all ...
And yet, I guess it's okay to be resigned to knowing what works and what does not...
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Like I said, not everyone.
But you see, I do have something to base what I say on...it's called 'History'
is that not a good guide to base things on?
I also look at the lack of demands people made on Obama now, the excuces they make up for his blind support of Israel, his words on Iran and Russia.
Even now that he is picking the most hawkish of hawks, he's given a pass. That is not right and it's indeed a very good picture of what is to come.
Granted there are some people on this board I am not seeing a free pass from.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
These guys are fermented shit on a stick. They should be tossed in jail, not given additional opportunity to screw everyone over with renewed fervor and zeal.
It would appear rather insane. Barack is just doing what his already complicit advisers (architects rather) are telling him to do.
I think Obama is quite simply shitting his pants, and in over his head....and that's giving him credit to his character. If he isn't scared shitless, then he's complicit, which ironically makes a lot more sense.
Has he looked into any sort of history of these people at all.
It seems his pastor sure did and was pretty vocal about it. Did any rub off on him, or did he kick up his Ipod during all the (many many) sermons and simply nod off?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Don't be too sure. What did Clinton do in the last days of his 2nd term?
He signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which allowed credit derivatives, default swaps and futures contracts to be sold and traded w/ no regulation
Which coupled w/ the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act in 99 helped set the stage for this financial mess we're in.
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
this place has gone to the shitter. seriously. what's with the trying to call people out? that's the fourth time i've seen it here in the last few days. People who join 3 days ago, and have 34 posts should shut their mouths, unless of course you are going to proclaim you have never been here before.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
well for me that is lameness. ingratiating moves in order to gain some 'good grace' from certain sections of the community. also known as the suck up.
they do shit and then run away and someone else has to deal with the fall out somewhere along the line.
p.s. cant wait to see bushs presidential library.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I should shut my mouth b/c I averaged like 11 posts a day and asked a question?? Maybe you should kiss my ass.
How many posts would be acceptable for me to have in your eyes? I must have missed the stated limit.
It,s pretty telling how you react to my simple question compared w/ your reaction, or lack of, elsewhere.
You do realize part of democracy is dealing w/ disagreements, don't you?
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
Have you?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I asked a question b/c what was said didn't make sense.
Why does me having 34 posts in 3 or 4 days 'clearly mean' i've posted here before? Obviously you care enough about my post count to have brought it up.
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
indeed.
wow im starting to feel like im in the south korean parliament. just waiting for the first punch.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
For the second time... Listening ears on? I don't give a rats ass about your post count. Are we clear? Good. Now how about you answer the question? Have you been here before under another name?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yes there was. Someone told unifiedscene of better ways of dealing w/ people who they disagree w/ to which unifiedscene replied they did try that for months yet they haven't even been a member for 2 weeks and if they got banned it 'clearly means' they weren't speaking very respectfully or following any of the other ideas.
And no, I am not a member banned or suspended under another name.
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'
yeah... im a fucking sage these days.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
some call it debating. some call it dickwaving. me? i just sit and watch and interject with stupid comments when the feeling overwhelms me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I apologize if i am incorrect. As stated previously, it seems to be rather common over the last few days that people are calling others out. I think that's lame. Personally, i have never been banned, and i only have one user account. There's been a couple of times where i have been disrespectful and maybe should have received a ban, but i was lucky. There's many times here where a lot of people do lose their cool and i know that's not acceptable and outside the rules. Some of you are just more clever at being assholes with your use of smilies and sarcasm. Me, i wear my heart on my sleeve and call it as it is.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
he was a good friend of mine...
I never understood a fuckin sin-gle
word he said because my Ipod just
blew my mind.
He said CHANGE... to the the world ,
all the boys and girls, CHANGE to the fishies
in the deep blue sea , CHANGE to you and me."
honey....wake up...
huh? wha?
you fell asleep during the sermon with your Ipod on again.
Oh I did? heh...good sermon honey....The lord spoke to me through my Ipod...he sang me some CCR this time. I freaking love this little Ipod thing...it's so tiny and freakin cool...anyhow...let's bust this shit hole...I'll go get the car...watch the kids will ya?
See ya next Sunday Reverend... (tosses spare change in the collection plate)
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
My god, I played right into their hands! I've been reduced to a mere patsy in this vile scheme
NO MORE! I love you, PJ_Gurl!!
'How a culture can forget its plan of yesterday
and you swear it's not a trend
it doesn't matter anyway
there's no need to talk as friends
nothing news everyday
all the kids will eat it up
if it's packaged properly'