Sec Rice pushing for Troop withdrawal deal in Iraq

spyguy
spyguy Posts: 613
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
I thought Rice did nothing? I wish people had more open minds around here.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26324599/

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/08/21/rice.iraq/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407663,00.html


edit: deal apparently reached on TIMELINE


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,407804,00.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    what happened to "stay the course" ???

    Must be an election year with an unpopular war.
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    what happened to "stay the course" ???

    Must be an election year with an unpopular war.

    looks like the course has run its course. "stay the course" did not mean the war would last forever.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    I'll believe it when I see it... I'm not holding my breath that this won't be another bullshit list of "optional" benchmarks and goals. It looks like against the bush administration's wishes, the Iraqi government really does want us out.

    If it happens then that's great... It will just be funny to see all of the video clips of republicans in the past calling timelines and withdrawl "cut and run policy", "defeatists", "aiding terrorists", etc., etc., playing side by side with them praising this plan.
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  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    spyguy wrote:
    looks like the course has run its course. "stay the course" did not mean the war would last forever.

    Oh yeah... That's true and I'm not complaining about it.
    I just find the timing of all this withdrawl too convinient.

    What do you think?
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Oh yeah... That's true and I'm not complaining about it.
    I just find the timing of all this withdrawl too convinient.

    What do you think?

    maybe, maybe not. I kinda dont care as long as movement starts to happen
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    blackredyellow wrote:

    If it happens then that's great... It will just be funny to see all of the video clips of republicans in the past calling timelines and withdrawl "cut and run policy", "defeatists", "aiding terrorists", etc., etc., playing side by side with them praising this plan.

    sigh. even republicans understand that our combat troops would come home at some point. maybe its time for you leftys to admit progress has been made and conditions are well enough to begin bringing them home. such partisanship really bugs me
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    spyguy wrote:
    sigh. even republicans understand that our combat troops would come home at some point. maybe its time for you leftys to admit progress has been made and conditions are well enough to begin bringing them home. such partisanship really bugs me


    Progress made from shit? What kind of progress is that? You take a country and turn it into shit then you put a cherry on top of it and call it progress? Who's the partisan one here?
  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    yesterday a timeline was "surrender', "retreat", "cut and run"... "choosing to lose the war"..... now we won the war? I am thrilled that we are pulling out, when do you think McCain will admit that Obama was right to support this withdrawl? I guess he will have to retire the line about how Obama wants to lose the war to win the election. looks like the war is won. right? or are we surrendering? oh, and I guess this means terrorism has been defeated, because arent we fighting them there so we dont have to fight them here? or do we want to fight them here now? I thought "if we leave, they will follow us home".... is it ok for them to follow us home now? I am so confused.... is it possible they were just lying to us and trying to scare us? or did we defeat terrorism?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Open wrote:
    Progress made from shit? What kind of progress is that? You take a country and turn it into shit then you put a cherry on top of it and call it progress? Who's the partisan one here?

    country was shit before we got there. by progress I mean....better security, infrastructure improvements, functioning government, internal peace progress..etc.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    robbie wrote:
    yesterday a timeline was "surrender', "retreat", "cut and run"... "choosing to lose the war"..... now we won the war? I am thrilled that we are pulling out, when do you think McCain will admit that Obama was right to support this withdrawl? I guess he will have to retire the line about how Obama wants to lose the war to win the election. looks like the war is won. right? or are we surrendering? oh, and I guess this means terrorism has been defeated, because arent we fighting them there so we dont have to fight them here? or do we want to fight them here now? I thought "if we leave, they will follow us home".... is it ok for them to follow us home now? I am so confused.... is it possible they were just lying to us and trying to scare us? or did we defeat terrorism?

    people like you, who are so filled with hatred, will never be happy. why do you bother?
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    spyguy wrote:
    sigh. even republicans understand that our combat troops would come home at some point. maybe its time for you leftys to admit progress has been made and conditions are well enough to begin bringing them home. such partisanship really bugs me

    Well, after the last 8 years you have to see why people would be suspicious of anything the Republicans do. Even if they have best intentions their credibility is lost on a lot of people, not just the left wingers.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    spyguy wrote:
    country was shit before we got there. by progress I mean....better security, infrastructure improvements, functioning government, internal peace progress..etc.

    hahahahah....thanks.... people had the basics of life and the ability to walk to the store w/o getting blown up....

    progress, american style.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    Well, after the last 8 years you have to see why people would be suspicious of anything the Republicans do. Even if they have best intentions their credibility is lost on a lot of people, not just the left wingers.

    absolutely. but hell I'll take it
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Open wrote:
    hahahahah....thanks.... people had the basics of life and the ability to walk to the store w/o getting blown up....

    progress, american style.

    people has the basics of life? come on you cant be serious. your saying were just peachy under saddam? i'm not saying the US invasion was justified or the right thing to do but put aside your biases for a second. conditions have improved.
  • Strangest Tribe
    Strangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    spyguy wrote:
    country was shit before we got there. by progress I mean....better security, infrastructure improvements, functioning government, internal peace progress..etc.

    Don't forget we gave them democracy also. We gave democracy to a country whose underlying religious belief is women's sole purpose is to make babies and not have an opinion...we'll see how well that works after we're gone.
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    spyguy wrote:
    people has the basics of life? come on you cant be serious. your saying were just peachy under saddam? i'm not saying the US invasion was justified or the right thing to do but put aside your biases for a second. conditions have improved.


    Dude...not peachy, but if you didnt speak out against the goverment, you could walk to the grocery store w/o worrying about getting blown up..

    Now....you have no idea when you will get blown up, even if you dont speak up.

    Dont speak for me or talk about my biases, b/c you know nothing about me. Just b/c i dont agree w/ you im biased? How can you possibly say life has improved.

    It's this stupid arrogance that allowed this administration to take us their in the first place...You're like walking speaking point.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    FINALLY!

    Iraq will be officially liberated!

    And all it took was 1 million dead Iraqis and a couple million refugees!

    democracy wins again!
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    spyguy wrote:
    sigh. even republicans understand that our combat troops would come home at some point. maybe its time for you leftys to admit progress has been made and conditions are well enough to begin bringing them home. such partisanship really bugs me

    My motives are not really partisan, I just enjoy watching politicians have their words thrown back at them. And I'm not talking about politicians who supported the war and made sensible arguments to support their side. I'm talking about the assholes who have have repeatedly called into questions the patriotism of people who wanted to end the war, and basically called them traitors.
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Open wrote:
    Dude...not peachy, but if you didnt speak out against the goverment, you could walk to the grocery store w/o worrying about getting blown up..

    and you think thats acceptable?
    Open wrote:
    Now....you have no idea when you will get blown up, even if you dont speak up.

    actually thats not so much the case anymore.
    Open wrote:
    Dont speak for me or talk about my biases, b/c you know nothing about me. Just b/c i dont agree w/ you im biased? How can you possibly say life has improved.

    well for one, you are allowed to speak out against the government without being tortured and killed. an entire section of the population (shiites) are much better off now. is everything perfect? fuck no. thats not what I'm saying. and by bais I'm saying you are sooooo against what is going on there, you refuse to acknowledge any positive things that happen in Iraq.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    blackredyellow wrote:
    My motives are not really partisan, I just enjoy watching politicians have their words thrown back at them. And I'm not talking about politicians who supported the war and made sensible arguments to support their side. I'm talking about the assholes who have have repeatedly called into questions the patriotism of people who wanted to end the war, and basically called them traitors.

    ok cool

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