yesterday a timeline was "surrender', "retreat", "cut and run"... "choosing to lose the war"..... now we won the war? I am thrilled that we are pulling out, when do you think McCain will admit that Obama was right to support this withdrawl? I guess he will have to retire the line about how Obama wants to lose the war to win the election. looks like the war is won. right? or are we surrendering? oh, and I guess this means terrorism has been defeated, because arent we fighting them there so we dont have to fight them here? or do we want to fight them here now? I thought "if we leave, they will follow us home".... is it ok for them to follow us home now? I am so confused.... is it possible they were just lying to us and trying to scare us? or did we defeat terrorism?
Wait, are we talking about the same thing? I thought you defended the opinion that humanitarian conditions (water, food, security, healthcare) were better now than under saddam? Because it's obviously not the case. Now is the situation getting better in Iraq compared to last year? Probably.
Wait, are we talking about the same thing? I thought you defended the opinion that humanitarian conditions (water, food, security, healthcare) were better now than under saddam?
those conditions u speak of were only good for some
you really dont think people feared for their lives under saddam? really?
when did saddam kill 1 million people? when did saddam displace millions of Iraqis and force them to seek refuge in other countries? when did saddam obliterate infrastructure as did the U.S. army?
when did saddam displace millions of Iraqis and force them to seek refuge in other countries? when did saddam obliterate infrastructure as did the U.S. army?
US army has been there for 5 years paying and physically rebuilding the infrastructure.
what choice did they have? I have excellent comprehension skills. thanks
again, just because they learned to avoid being tortured and killed doesnt mean it was ok
The choice was not speaking out against sadam, its not right but better than the alternative....
Ok ... so lets kill a million of them and leave the remaining ones in a state of imminent death.....that's much better....i'd rethink your comprehension skills.
Ok ... so lets kill a million of them and leave the remaining ones in a state of imminent death.....that's much better....i'd rethink your comprehension skills.
again, US soliders did not kill 1 million Iraqis. I think you need to comprehend whats going on there and the possibilities for the future.
what alternative? being free to speak out against whomever u want? yea sounds horrible.
again, US soliders did not kill 1 million Iraqis. I think you need to comprehend whats going on there and the possibilities for the future.
OK...so all the people who have died since we invaded would have died anyways? wow..this must be karl rove im talking to.
haha they cant even speak out against whoever they want right now....a suni goes into a shite hood and says whatever he/she wants he/she will be dead, if they live long enough to get a word out and vice versa. Go freedom!
I think its nearly impossible to know for sure judging by the wide range of estimates.
From their website:
- IBC records solely violent deaths.
The 1.2 million figure is done by studies that show who died as a result of the U.S.' invasion and occupation of Iraq.
uh huh, but are we or are we not helping rebuild the country?
I guess rebuilding the country makes it ok that 1 million Iraqis died and that 3 million have been made refugees...
and the point is that we are still occupying Iraq. once I see some actual 'withdrawals' and not false promises, I'll believe it. After all, Condolezza Rice is the one who said we'd see a Palestinian state by the end of 2008.
hahahahah....thanks.... people had the basics of life and the ability to walk to the store w/o getting blown up....
progress, american style.
I'm not saying this justifies a WMD-less war ... but ... you act as if life in Iraq was peaches and cream before we got there. In Iraq in, say, 2000, there was still a decent chance you could get blown up, or (if you were a kurd) gassed, or made to "disappear" ... while walking to the store.
I'm not saying this justifies the invasion ... but, given the fact the invasion happened and there is no undoing it, the situation on the ground there is better than it has been in quite some time.
Militarily, the surge worked. It is just a fact. There is a greater level of security there, the lowest levels of monthly casualties and a greater sense of normalcy.
If we don't begin to pull back now, then when?
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Iraq has rivers of feces flowing through it everywhere, and I think Condi is a lying POS...
They let Iraq fall into such a miserable state (I truly believe on purpose) that it's still a miserable disaster all these years later.
Ask any Iraqi and they will tell you Saddam never and would never let it get this bad is my guess aside from the ones that I've seen respond as such when asked.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I have a question... or twenty...
Who is going to take over Command and Control? Saddam's guy that ran their military are all gone. Do they have experienced commanders in place... or willl they have them in place by 2009?
Who is going to provide Air Support in Iraq when we leave? I mean, we completely destroyed what little they had. Is Air Support not that important? And if it isn't... why are we providing it now?
Where are they going to get their armoured vehicles? Again, because we blew up all of their tanks and APCs and most of their military transport vehicles. They were reduced to mounting anti-aircraft batteries on donkey carts when we reached Baghdad... has that been rectified? Right now, they are suing Toyota pick-up trucks to move their military guys around. Are we going to leave our trucks and HMMWVs over there or are they going to buy their own?
Who is going to run logistical support operations? U.S. C-17s are running almost non-stop missions to keep the supplies needed of the occupation. When we leave.. is all of that gone, too? Won't their army need supplies?
Are Iraqi medical facilities being brought online? Are there doctors over there to take over what the American Surgical Hospitals are doing?
The Iraqis who could afford to flee... have fleed. Doctors, Accountants, politicians, educators, wealthy... they all went to Jordan or Syria... or Saudi Arabia. Are we expecting them to come back?
All this is going to happen by 2009?
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Did bill oreilly tel you that? Prove it. You just keep digging that hole.
you really dont think people feared for their lives under saddam? really?
well said...
those conditions u speak of were only good for some
not probably. yes
http://www.brookesnews.com/062407iraqgraves.html
http://www.kdp.se/old/chemical.html
US army has been there for 5 years paying and physically rebuilding the infrastructure.
They had a choice, is that hard to comprehend?
They knew what they had to fear then...and how to avoid it.
what choice did they have? I have excellent comprehension skills. thanks
again, just because they learned to avoid being tortured and killed doesnt mean it was ok
The choice was not speaking out against sadam, its not right but better than the alternative....
Ok ... so lets kill a million of them and leave the remaining ones in a state of imminent death.....that's much better....i'd rethink your comprehension skills.
what alternative? being free to speak out against whomever u want? yea sounds horrible.
again, US soliders did not kill 1 million Iraqis. I think you need to comprehend whats going on there and the possibilities for the future.
OK...so all the people who have died since we invaded would have died anyways? wow..this must be karl rove im talking to.
haha they cant even speak out against whoever they want right now....a suni goes into a shite hood and says whatever he/she wants he/she will be dead, if they live long enough to get a word out and vice versa. Go freedom!
what about this one?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
I think its nearly impossible to know for sure judging by the wide range of estimates.
uh huh, but are we or are we not helping rebuild the country?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq
- IBC records solely violent deaths.
The 1.2 million figure is done by studies that show who died as a result of the U.S.' invasion and occupation of Iraq.
I guess rebuilding the country makes it ok that 1 million Iraqis died and that 3 million have been made refugees...
and the point is that we are still occupying Iraq. once I see some actual 'withdrawals' and not false promises, I'll believe it. After all, Condolezza Rice is the one who said we'd see a Palestinian state by the end of 2008.
"We don't do body counts" - Tommy Franks
Do you even read the links you post? It says that right at the top of the website...
And he who forgets, will be destined to remember...
um they are quoting tommy franks. do you know who that is?
Blow up all their shit
now rebuilding, but it is waaaaaaayyy worse than it was 2002.
mission accomplished.
no more WMD's and imminent threat to the US
I'm not saying this justifies a WMD-less war ... but ... you act as if life in Iraq was peaches and cream before we got there. In Iraq in, say, 2000, there was still a decent chance you could get blown up, or (if you were a kurd) gassed, or made to "disappear" ... while walking to the store.
I'm not saying this justifies the invasion ... but, given the fact the invasion happened and there is no undoing it, the situation on the ground there is better than it has been in quite some time.
Militarily, the surge worked. It is just a fact. There is a greater level of security there, the lowest levels of monthly casualties and a greater sense of normalcy.
If we don't begin to pull back now, then when?
for the least they could possibly do
They let Iraq fall into such a miserable state (I truly believe on purpose) that it's still a miserable disaster all these years later.
Ask any Iraqi and they will tell you Saddam never and would never let it get this bad is my guess aside from the ones that I've seen respond as such when asked.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Who is going to take over Command and Control? Saddam's guy that ran their military are all gone. Do they have experienced commanders in place... or willl they have them in place by 2009?
Who is going to provide Air Support in Iraq when we leave? I mean, we completely destroyed what little they had. Is Air Support not that important? And if it isn't... why are we providing it now?
Where are they going to get their armoured vehicles? Again, because we blew up all of their tanks and APCs and most of their military transport vehicles. They were reduced to mounting anti-aircraft batteries on donkey carts when we reached Baghdad... has that been rectified? Right now, they are suing Toyota pick-up trucks to move their military guys around. Are we going to leave our trucks and HMMWVs over there or are they going to buy their own?
Who is going to run logistical support operations? U.S. C-17s are running almost non-stop missions to keep the supplies needed of the occupation. When we leave.. is all of that gone, too? Won't their army need supplies?
Are Iraqi medical facilities being brought online? Are there doctors over there to take over what the American Surgical Hospitals are doing?
The Iraqis who could afford to flee... have fleed. Doctors, Accountants, politicians, educators, wealthy... they all went to Jordan or Syria... or Saudi Arabia. Are we expecting them to come back?
All this is going to happen by 2009?
Hail, Hail!!!