Sec Rice pushing for Troop withdrawal deal in Iraq

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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Open wrote:
    The choice was not speaking out against sadam, its not right but better than the alternative....

    what alternative? being free to speak out against whomever u want? yea sounds horrible.
    Open wrote:
    Ok ... so lets kill a million of them and leave the remaining ones in a state of imminent death.....that's much better....i'd rethink your comprehension skills.

    again, US soliders did not kill 1 million Iraqis. I think you need to comprehend whats going on there and the possibilities for the future.
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    spyguy wrote:
    what alternative? being free to speak out against whomever u want? yea sounds horrible.



    again, US soliders did not kill 1 million Iraqis. I think you need to comprehend whats going on there and the possibilities for the future.


    OK...so all the people who have died since we invaded would have died anyways? wow..this must be karl rove im talking to.

    haha they cant even speak out against whoever they want right now....a suni goes into a shite hood and says whatever he/she wants he/she will be dead, if they live long enough to get a word out and vice versa. Go freedom!
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    US soliders didnt kill 1 million Iraqis.
    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/counterexplanation.html
    US army has been there for 5 years paying and physically rebuilding the infrastructure.
    they've been occupying the region and tormenting the Iraqi people.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/counterexplanation.html

    what about this one?
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    I think its nearly impossible to know for sure judging by the wide range of estimates.
    _outlaw wrote:
    they've been occupying the region and tormenting the Iraqi people.

    uh huh, but are we or are we not helping rebuild the country?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Troops to pull out by next June

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    what about this one?
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    I think its nearly impossible to know for sure judging by the wide range of estimates.
    From their website:
    - IBC records solely violent deaths.

    The 1.2 million figure is done by studies that show who died as a result of the U.S.' invasion and occupation of Iraq.
    uh huh, but are we or are we not helping rebuild the country?
    I guess rebuilding the country makes it ok that 1 million Iraqis died and that 3 million have been made refugees...

    and the point is that we are still occupying Iraq. once I see some actual 'withdrawals' and not false promises, I'll believe it. After all, Condolezza Rice is the one who said we'd see a Palestinian state by the end of 2008.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    its horrible that so many have died, I get that. but this is the first time the bush admin has even spoken of a time table. take it for what its worth
  • TDMize15
    TDMize15 Posts: 166
    spyguy wrote:
    what about this one?
    http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

    I think its nearly impossible to know for sure judging by the wide range of estimates.



    uh huh, but are we or are we not helping rebuild the country?

    "We don't do body counts" - Tommy Franks


    Do you even read the links you post? It says that right at the top of the website...
    All the rusted signs, we ignore throughout our lives, choosing the shiny ones instead...

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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Don't Know Myself wrote:
    "We don't do body counts" - Tommy Franks


    Do you even read the links you post? It says that right at the top of the website...

    um they are quoting tommy franks. do you know who that is?
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    We kill a bunch of people.

    Blow up all their shit

    now rebuilding, but it is waaaaaaayyy worse than it was 2002.



    mission accomplished.
    no more WMD's and imminent threat to the US
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Open wrote:
    hahahahah....thanks.... people had the basics of life and the ability to walk to the store w/o getting blown up....

    progress, american style.

    I'm not saying this justifies a WMD-less war ... but ... you act as if life in Iraq was peaches and cream before we got there. In Iraq in, say, 2000, there was still a decent chance you could get blown up, or (if you were a kurd) gassed, or made to "disappear" ... while walking to the store.

    I'm not saying this justifies the invasion ... but, given the fact the invasion happened and there is no undoing it, the situation on the ground there is better than it has been in quite some time.

    Militarily, the surge worked. It is just a fact. There is a greater level of security there, the lowest levels of monthly casualties and a greater sense of normalcy.

    If we don't begin to pull back now, then when?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Iraq has rivers of feces flowing through it everywhere, and I think Condi is a lying POS...

    They let Iraq fall into such a miserable state (I truly believe on purpose) that it's still a miserable disaster all these years later.

    Ask any Iraqi and they will tell you Saddam never and would never let it get this bad is my guess aside from the ones that I've seen respond as such when asked.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have a question... or twenty...
    Who is going to take over Command and Control? Saddam's guy that ran their military are all gone. Do they have experienced commanders in place... or willl they have them in place by 2009?
    Who is going to provide Air Support in Iraq when we leave? I mean, we completely destroyed what little they had. Is Air Support not that important? And if it isn't... why are we providing it now?
    Where are they going to get their armoured vehicles? Again, because we blew up all of their tanks and APCs and most of their military transport vehicles. They were reduced to mounting anti-aircraft batteries on donkey carts when we reached Baghdad... has that been rectified? Right now, they are suing Toyota pick-up trucks to move their military guys around. Are we going to leave our trucks and HMMWVs over there or are they going to buy their own?
    Who is going to run logistical support operations? U.S. C-17s are running almost non-stop missions to keep the supplies needed of the occupation. When we leave.. is all of that gone, too? Won't their army need supplies?
    Are Iraqi medical facilities being brought online? Are there doctors over there to take over what the American Surgical Hospitals are doing?
    The Iraqis who could afford to flee... have fleed. Doctors, Accountants, politicians, educators, wealthy... they all went to Jordan or Syria... or Saudi Arabia. Are we expecting them to come back?
    All this is going to happen by 2009?
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