Obama starting to show true colors
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mammasan wrote:Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.
What do you mean?
Currently, offshore drilling in this area is disallowed.
Obama would consider changing that to allow drilling here.
So ... it fits in with his campaign for "change" very nicely.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do0 -
MrBrian wrote:As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.
Nader will never be president no matter what happens.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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slightofjeff wrote:What do you mean?
Currently, offshore drilling in this area is disallowed.
Obama would consider changing that to allow drilling here.
So ... it fits in with his campaign for "change" very nicely.
Nice. I guess he is an agent for change."When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul0 -
+1 for some points made in this thread, and to the OP.Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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mammasan wrote:Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html
when did changing one's mind become a bad thing...?
sadly, I think we're suffering from a bush hangover, whereas it's been pounded in our brains that changing ones position is a bad thing...you know, bushy had this way about him, where when he made a decision, he wouldn't change that decision regardless of anything...
now we have someone who actually thinks things through, who is willing to change their position, and suddenly that's bad...
oh well...I guess he shouldn't compromise with anyone for anything...0 -
inmytree wrote:when did changing one's mind become a bad thing...?
sadly, I think we're suffering from a bush hangover, whereas it's been pounded in our brains that changing ones position is a bad thing...you know, bushy had this way about him, where when he made a decision, he wouldn't change that decision regardless of anything...
now we have someone who actually thinks thing through, who is willing to change there position, and suddenly that's bad...
oh well...I guess he shouldn't compromise with anyone for anything...
Besides the fact that it isn't really a complete change of position. He makes it very clear that it would only be considered as part of a comprehensive plan for REAL energy reform that includes a deliberate push for alternative, renewable energy sources and conservation."When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."0 -
cornnifer wrote:Besides the fact that it isn't really a complete change of position. He makes it very clear that it would only be considered as part of a comprehensive plan for REAL energy reform that includes a deliberate push for alternative, renewable energy sources and conservation.
Thank you! Why is it that nobody seems to get this? You would think people on this board, you know the folks who think they've got it all figured out, would calm down long enough to let this sink in....
If it were up to Obama alone there would be no drilling, but that's not how our government operates. There are a lot of competing ideas on what to do, and Obama understands that he has to work with people he disagrees with - not just bash them because they don't see eye to eye.
So he will compromise in order to move forward, it's so refreshing. This is the politics of change he is speaking about.0 -
cornnifer wrote:Besides the fact that it isn't really a complete change of position. He makes it very clear that it would only be considered as part of a comprehensive plan for REAL energy reform that includes a deliberate push for alternative, renewable energy sources and conservation.
And I think it HAS to be a part of energy reform.
It's good ot have a plan for the short-term AND the long-term...not sure why it's become ok to do neither and just argue about it.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Changing your mind is natural and OK, even for politicians. Generally, when someone changes their mind, especially on something they were emphatically against a week before - I look to WHY they changed their mind.
Obama changed his for purely political reasons, in reason to opinion polls that said McCain gained on him in swing states like Florida and Virginia on this issue.
Then, to make it even worse, he has tried to PRETEND like his position hasn't changed AT ALL.
This is what he said all along.0 -
McCain is an idiot."Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
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McCain is a war-loving psychopath.
Is that better?"Ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States, Barack Obama."
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
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NCfan wrote:Thank you! Why is it that nobody seems to get this? You would think people on this board, you know the folks who think they've got it all figured out, would calm down long enough to let this sink in....
If it were up to Obama alone there would be no drilling, but that's not how our government operates. There are a lot of competing ideas on what to do, and Obama understands that he has to work with people he disagrees with - not just bash them because they don't see eye to eye.
So he will compromise in order to move forward, it's so refreshing. This is the politics of change he is speaking about.
me and the ncfan are seeing eye to eye on this one...0 -
sweetpotato wrote:McCain is a war-loving psychopath.
Is that better?
dont forget "completely out of touch with everyone, and the 21st century, senator worth $100 million dollars"0 -
my2hands wrote:dont forget "completely out of touch with everyone, and the 21st century, senator worth $100 million dollars"
and dont forget "and how is your bush's" money too!!!!0 -
my2hands wrote:If it were up to Obama alone there would be no drilling, but that's not how our government operates. There are a lot of competing ideas on what to do, and Obama understands that he has to work with people he disagrees with - not just bash them because they don't see eye to eye.
So he will compromise in order to move forward, it's so refreshing. This is the politics of change he is speaking about.
I'm sorry, but you're ridiculous! Listen to yourself.
In early June, he tells Florida residents there will be "NO drilling while he is President" - not because it doesn't work, but for ENVIRONMENTAL reasons. Then, later he co-opts McCain's position because of poll results, and basically does a 180 on what he said weeks before, and the environmental position he was trying to take weeks prior is GONE.
And that's compromise? It's refreshing? It's refreshing to have no idea what a politician's position on ANY issue is, because he may have to change it? What if in January he says, "It would be a bad move to the pull the troops of Iraq out for security reasons? What if, next week, he flip-flops on Palestine because of OTHER politicians views? ...........After further review, he decides his tax plan, won't work. It's OK, he's compromising. It's refreshing.
Using that logic, Obama can break any campaign promise he makes if there are other political actors that want to do something else. That is the most preposterous thing I have ever heard. Even you cannot believe what you are saying. It's OK though, because if you change your mind about what you've posted here next week, you can always say you are compromising and that THIS was REALLY your position to being with. Then you'll be just like 'ole Barry.
You should just ignore this and stop posting before you make an even bigger ass out of yourself.0 -
NCfan wrote:Thank you! Why is it that nobody seems to get this? You would think people on this board, you know the folks who think they've got it all figured out, would calm down long enough to let this sink in....
If it were up to Obama alone there would be no drilling, but that's not how our government operates. There are a lot of competing ideas on what to do, and Obama understands that he has to work with people he disagrees with - not just bash them because they don't see eye to eye.
So he will compromise in order to move forward, it's so refreshing. This is the politics of change he is speaking about.
I don't understand why he isn't allowed to change his mind in order to please people. I am not for offshore drilling but I appreciate his willingness to compromise for the people.Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
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TrixieCat wrote:Good points.
I don't understand why he isn't allowed to change his mind in order to please people. I am not for offshore drilling but I appreciate his willingness to compromise for the people.
What's great about voting for an unprincipled leader is that it creates suspense. You never know what he'll do since you can't believe what he's said in the past and there are no guiding principles to predict future actions. Pretty exciting!"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080
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