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mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
edited August 2008 in A Moving Train
Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Oh, no, don't worry - he's just doing this cos it's what he has to do to get elected. Who needs principles and honesty when you can have votes?
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  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    of course he is re-thinking it... its what the polls are showing. All he is doing is going for votes. He will say whatever he has to become the POTUS and his flock will follow him.

    I just hope that McCain hammers him on this.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,338
    hope you idiots dont get the government you deserve
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    yield6 wrote:
    hope you idiots dont get the government you deserve



    thanks I guess
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  • DixieNDixieN Posts: 351
    mammasan wrote:
    Obama is rethinking his position on off shore drilling as part of a comprehensive energy plan. So much for his campaign for change.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html

    Anyone too stupid to understand the art of political compromise is too stupid to be president. Obama is anything but stupid. If the American people are stupid enough to believe off-shore drilling is critical to the US (and I hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole believe a lot of stupid, stupid things are critical to the US--see current president for proof), they won't elect someone who continues to stick exclusively to the realistic assessment that off-shore drilling isn't any panacea. If Obama accommodates a bit of perception, which will drive a huge part of the election, he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    DixieN wrote:
    Obama is anything but stupid.

    He's also anything but honest.
    DixieN wrote:
    he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.

    Oh wow.
    go ahead and throw this in to the pile with the rest of Obamas great big "accomplishments".

    "the bums" are leaving, Obama or otherwise.
    If this is the "ultimate change" you speak of, may i be the first to proclaim "whoopity fucking woo"?
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  • Jammin909Jammin909 Posts: 888
    DixieN wrote:
    Anyone too stupid to understand the art of political compromise is too stupid to be president. Obama is anything but stupid. If the American people are stupid enough to believe off-shore drilling is critical to the US (and I hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole believe a lot of stupid, stupid things are critical to the US--see current president for proof), they won't elect someone who continues to stick exclusively to the realistic assessment that off-shore drilling isn't any panacea. If Obama accommodates a bit of perception, which will drive a huge part of the election, he's doing the right thing for himself and for those of us depending on him to get the bums out. He will be sticking to his campaign for change. Get the bums out. That is the ultimate in change.

    Well Said. The average citizen isnt smart enough to realize that even if Congress agreed to offshore drilling yesterday, we wouldnt see any increased oil supplies for YEARS!

    The whole thing is a scam, but if Obama doesnt play along, McCain will win. It's a game and you have to roll with the punches and remain flexible. Obama is still Obama, he just has to cater to all the interests to get votes. He can do whatever he wants after he gets elected, thats what the "compassionate conservative" Bush did!
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Since when does compromise=change?

    that word seems as interchangeable to Obama supporters these days... even though clearly they don't know what a fucking compromise means.
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Well Said. The average citizen isnt smart enough to realize that even if Congress agreed to offshore drilling yesterday, we wouldnt see any increased oil supplies for YEARS!

    The whole thing is a scam, but if Obama doesnt play along, McCain will win. It's a game and you have to roll with the punches and remain flexible. Obama is still Obama, he just has to cater to all the interests to get votes. He can do whatever he wants after he gets elected, thats what the "compassionate conservative" Bush did!
    The end justifies the means, right? FISA, Patriot Act, Blackwater, offshore drilling... whatever it takes to get Obama's ass in the Oval Office. If power matters more to him than standing up for the rights of the US citizens... are you sure him being able to do whatever he wants is a good thing?
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    after he gets elected, his supporters will justify the bullshit he does in office by saying "...BUT RE-ELECTION IS IN 4 YEARS, HE HAS TO DO IT TO GET RE-ELECTED!"
    :rolleyes:
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    _outlaw wrote:
    after he gets elected, his supporters will justify the bullshit he does in office by saying "...BUT RE-ELECTION IS IN 4 YEARS, HE HAS TO DO IT TO GET RE-ELECTED!"
    :rolleyes:

    Totally.
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  • Jammin909Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    The end justifies the means, right? FISA, Patriot Act, Blackwater, offshore drilling... whatever it takes to get Obama's ass in the Oval Office. If power matters more to him than standing up for the rights of the US citizens... are you sure him being able to do whatever he wants is a good thing?

    Dude I hate politics and I hate the current course we are on...people can go ahead and vote for Nadar or Paul or some "superior" third party candidate but the reality is...either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I pick Obama.
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Dude I hate politics and I hate the current course we are on...people can go ahead and vote for Nadar or Paul or some "superior" third party candidate but the reality is...either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I pick Obama.

    As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.

    You have to start small, the movement must grow. it takes time. every 4 years you make steps forward. not backwards.

    But most Americans don't have patience for that. They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MrBrian wrote:
    They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.

    ... and about as healthy too.

    I thought you cast your vote for the RIGHT person.

    This isn't supposed to be a derivatives game like the stock market.
    In other words, in the game of trading the aim is NOT to bet which way YOU think the market is going to go ... it is to bet on which way you think OTHER people think the market is going to go. And then you take it out to the 3rd derivative -- which way to you think that other people think that other people think the market is going to go. and the 4th and 5th and so forth and so on.

    JUST PICK THE GODDAMN PERSON YOU LIKE BEST.
    Sheesh, folks.

    Maybe if you put your balls on the table and just voted with your heart instead of the damaged portion of your brain which keeps flashing "danger danger! if you vote for the right guy, we might all be fucked!" and just went with it ... like MrBrian said, one day, maybe 8 years down the line, the election results would show enough people voting for the right guy for the system to give that person a chance.

    But instead its this instant gratification crap.
    Aw man, but McDonalds says they are only making BigMacs or QuarterPounders right now, and if i want a McSalad i have to pull over and wait for five minutes. I guess i should go for the QuarterPounder since it is "less bad" than a BigMac and everyone else seems to be ordering them.

    :rolleyes:

    Wow.
    Now we're doing Fast Food \ Politics metaphors.

    AWESOME.
    :D
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    ... and about as healthy too.

    I thought you cast your vote for the RIGHT person.

    This isn't supposed to be a derivatives game like the stock market.
    In other words, in the game of trading the aim is NOT to bet which way YOU think the market is going to go ... it is to bet on which way you think OTHER people think the market is going to go. And then you take it out to the 3rd derivative -- which way to you think that other people think that other people think the market is going to go. and the 4th and 5th and so forth and so on.

    JUST PICK THE GODDAMN PERSON YOU LIKE BEST.
    Sheesh, folks.

    Maybe if you put your balls on the table and just voted with your heart instead of the damaged portion of your brain which keeps flashing "danger danger! if you vote for the right guy, we might all be fucked!" and just went with it ... like MrBrian said, one day, maybe 8 years down the line, the election results would show enough people voting for the right guy for the system to give that person a chance.

    But instead its this instant gratification crap.
    Aw man, but McDonalds says they are only making BigMacs or QuarterPounders right now, and if i want a McSalad i have to pull over and wait for five minutes. I guess i should go for the QuarterPounder since it is "less bad" than a BigMac and everyone else seems to be ordering them.

    :rolleyes:

    Wow.
    Now we're doing Fast Food \ Politics metaphors.

    AWESOME.
    :D

    haha! I swear dude, only when i'm talking about American Politics do I sometimes throw in fast food lines or whatever else. It just makes more sense.

    you know, 1 Big Mac =1000 Iraqi
  • Jammin909Jammin909 Posts: 888
    MrBrian wrote:
    As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.

    You have to start small, the movement must grow. it takes time. every 4 years you make steps forward. not backwards.

    But most Americans don't have patience for that. They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.

    Right- Obama is not my perfect candidate, but he is a small step forward.

    When its my time- I'll open the borders, lower taxes, slash the DoD budget in half, build trains along the interstates, support abortion, tuition reimbursement for all students who volunteer for two years after college, not worry about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens, eliminate the fed, decriminalize pot, support after school programs, cut all faith-based initiatives, and oh yeah- NO GOVT BAILOUTS.
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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Right- Obama is not my perfect candidate, but he is a small step forward.

    When its my time- I'll open the borders, lower taxes, slash the DoD budget in half, build trains along the interstates, support abortion, tuition reimbursement for all students who volunteer for two years after college, not worry about Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens, eliminate the fed, decriminalize pot, support after school programs, cut all faith-based initiatives, and oh yeah- NO GOVT BAILOUTS.

    Yeah but dude. Obama is One step forward, two steps back.

    Eating a Burger..then throwing it back up. (maybe that didn't work?)
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    MrBrian wrote:
    Yeah but dude. Obama is One step forward, two steps back.

    Eating a Burger..then throwing it back up. (maybe that didn't work?)
    It's like a McDonald's salad - looks healthy, and advertised as healthy, but it's still unhealthy as hell. :D
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    It's like a McDonald's salad - looks healthy, and advertised as healthy, but it's still unhealthy as hell. :D

    Yeah, but the salad is the lesser of the few evils.
    ;)
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  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Yeah, but the salad is the lesser of the few evils.
    ;)
    You could always just skip McDonald's altogether. And impeach Ronald McDonald while you're at it. :p
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  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    You could always just skip McDonald's altogether. And impeach Ronald McDonald while you're at it. :p

    But if you impeach Ronald, then you're stuck with McBurgler.
    Yeah. Real smart idea.
    ;)
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  • raszputiniraszputini Posts: 119
    Ha! McBurglar......that's really great. Cheney is the fucking McBurglar
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    raszputini wrote:
    Ha! McBurglar......that's really great. Cheney is the fucking McBurglar

    He reminds me more of Grimace...the freak that liked to steal all the McDonalds Milkshakes.

    http://www.hrwiki.org/images/b/b9/evil-grimace.jpg
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    What's wrong with offshore drilling? I seriously fail to see it. All I see are a bunch of phonies buying into the heaps of propaganda they are fed from the media every fucking day. You don't even know WHY you don't want offshore drilling.

    And then you complain about high gas prices because Exxon is "corrupt."

    I'll tell you what's fucked up, the fact that people believe in and have taken specific measures which prevent oil companies from building refineries and drilling, driving up the price of gas. And then bitch about how corrupt the oil companies are that they are making "record profits" but the price of gas is too high. They have one of the lowest profit margins of any industry. That's FAR from corruption.

    Then on top of that, they want those same oil companies to be FORCED to spend millions of dollars to develop alternative energy, which directly conflicts with their business interest of SELLING OIL.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What's wrong with offshore drilling? I seriously fail to see it. All I see are a bunch of phonies buying into the heaps of propaganda they are fed from the media every fucking day. You don't even know WHY you don't want offshore drilling.

    And then you complain about high gas prices because Exxon is "corrupt."

    I'll tell you what's fucked up, the fact that people believe in and have taken specific measures which prevent oil companies from building refineries and drilling, driving up the price of gas. And then bitch about how corrupt the oil companies are that they are making "record profits" but the price of gas is too high. They have one of the lowest profit margins of any industry. That's FAR from corruption.

    Then on top of that, they want those same oil companies to be FORCED to spend millions of dollars to develop alternative energy, which directly conflicts with their business interest of SELLING OIL.
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294562

    this was argued in here. if you think offshore drilling is a good idea, then you are completely mind-warped.
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294562

    this was argued in here. if you think offshore drilling is a good idea, then you are completely mind-warped.

    Tell me clearly and concisely why you don't support it, if you're able.
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    -Reagan
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Tell me clearly and concisely why you don't support it, if you're able.
    I take it you didn't even click the link where I, and many others, argued it.
  • HushBullHushBull Posts: 996
    I knew he was black! ... :o
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  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    _outlaw wrote:
    I take it you didn't even click the link where I, and many others, argued it.

    I did but there are many different viewpoints and such in that thread. It would help if you could just clearly state your position.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    I understand that Obama is doing what he needs to do to get votes but guess what that is not change that is business as usual. He has shown that he is no different than he is advisory or predecessor. He will lie, manipulate the facts and distort the truth in order to get elected. How is that change. How is that any different than what McCain does or Bush did. When are we going to stop buying these cheap and hollowed sales pitches. Obama is an illusion. He throws the word change around enough so that people start believing it but if they took the time to look closely they would see that there is no real change. It's the same shit with a different name.
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