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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    chopitdown wrote:
    i dont know enough about it or the implications of those. So really my opinion on that means nothing, and I'm ok with that.


    You shouldn't be. Melted steel is not possible without some kind of accelerant . This is precisely why pots don't melt when you cook on a gas stove.

    When you put a few unanswered realities together in conjunction with other factors, the picture begins to look dramatically different than the "official story"

    In fact the "official story" has been pretty much torn to shreds now. This is why so many people are demanding a new investigation. None of the official story adds up anymore.

    Add in people, places, and circumstances, and it all becomes quickly overwhelming that something is very much not as we are told it is.
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  • Bushleaguer28
    Bushleaguer28 Posts: 776
    i dont understand the whole "molten steel" theory - what people dont think steel can melt under extreme heat. . . . has anyone ever heard of a welder? what exactly do they do?

    Another thing that strikes me is how everyone talks about how dumb the President is but somehow many people think that he somehow planned these elaborate attacks gainst his own country . . interesting.

    Of course things toook place in and with those towers that which have never been seen before. Do you realize the incredible temperatures that planes of that size with that amount and type of fuel can create. A burning plane with jet fuel is more or less an explosive.
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  • Bushleaguer28
    Bushleaguer28 Posts: 776
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You shouldn't be. Melted steel is not possible without some kind of accelerant . This is precisely why pots don't melt when you cook on a gas stove.

    When you put a few unanswered realities together in conjunction with other factors, the picture begins to look dramatically different than the "official story"

    In fact the "official story" has been pretty much torn to shreds now. This is why so many people are demanding a new investigation. None of the official story adds up anymore.

    Add in people, places, and circumstances, and it all becomes quickly overwhelming that something is very much not as we are told it is.

    So your saying that burning jet fuel is not an excelerant? And again i say take a welder for example. A simple blowtorch at a high enough temperature causes steel to melt.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bushleaguer28 wrote:
    So your saying that burning jet fuel is not an excelerant? And again i say take a welder for example. A simple blowtorch at a high enough temperature causes steel to melt.

    Actually it isn't the same thing. Both FEMA and NIST agreeit wasn't. The fires were not conclusive at all. Ever use a blowtorch? What does the flame look like before you turn on the oxygen? Like a simple zippo lighter flame. That is an open air fire.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bushleaguer28 wrote:
    i dont understand the whole "molten steel" theory - what people dont think steel can melt under extreme heat. . . . has anyone ever heard of a welder? what exactly do they do?

    Another thing that strikes me is how everyone talks about how dumb the President is but somehow many people think that he somehow planned these elaborate attacks gainst his own country . . interesting.

    Of course things toook place in and with those towers that which have never been seen before. Do you realize the incredible temperatures that planes of that size with that amount and type of fuel can create. A burning plane with jet fuel is more or less an explosive.


    The fire temperatures have been shown time and time again not to be able to melt the steel. Nobody from a-z disagrees with this.
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • Bushleaguer28
    Bushleaguer28 Posts: 776
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Actually it isn't the same thing. Both FEMA and NIST agreeit wasn't. The fires were not conclusive at all. Ever use a blowtorch? What does the flame look like before you turn on the oxygen? Like a simple zippo lighter flame. That is an open air fire.

    still the idea that a fire cant melt steel is rediculous and i guarantee the flames from the plane are far greater then that of a blowtorch or zippo lighter - and you said right there the fires werent conclusive at all - that doesnt rule out anything. Basically saying it wasnt conclusive is another way of saying they dont know what went on inside that building.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bushleaguer28 wrote:
    still the idea that a fire cant melt steel is rediculous and i guarantee the flames from the plane are far greater then that of a blowtorch or zippo lighter - and you said right there the fires werent conclusive at all - that doesnt rule out anything. Basically saying it wasnt conclusive is another way of saying they dont know what went on inside that building.


    No they are/were not. Weaken steel temporarily yes, (steel also regains it's strength when the heat is removed) but melt it...no way..not even close. The was an "open air" fire. This is not under consideration as a possibility in the investigation. You do know about NIST and FEMA and their reports right? the "official" reports? They also say it was impossible, and for very obvious reasons.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    No they are/were not. Weaken steel temporarily yes, (steel also regains it's strength when the heat is removed) but melt it...no way..not even close. The was an "open air" fire. This is not under consideration as a possibility in the investigation. You do know about NIST and FEMA and their reports right? the "official" reports? They also say it was impossible, and for very obvious reasons.

    The highest heat was extinguished in the first moments of its ignition. After that it was a typical open flame. No different than lighter fluid, or gasoline.

    I wonder how many picnickers that have been to the local park have considered how that old steel grate they flip their burgers on is the same old steel grill their dad, or even their grandads, used to do up the burgers on when they were kids.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    The highest heat was extinguished in the first moments of its ignition. After that it was a typical open flame. No different than lighter fluid, or gasoline.

    I wonder how many picnickers that have been to the local park have considered how that old steel grate they flip their burgers on is the same old steel grill their dad, or even their grandads, used to do up the burgers on when they were kids.

    A lot of the fuel was spent outside the buildings as well. The central core columns are like big heat sinks also. We know how steel regains it's strength when it cools.

    The fires would have to be extremely intense to weaken the steel enough as the heat is drawn away from the impact zone down the lengths of the vertical beams.

    Here's that woman (Edna Cintron) standing and waving in the impact zone after the fires have essentially burned themselves out. I'm not seeing too much blazing fire or intense heat there at all. From the looks of it, either is she.

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_woman.html
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Give this a watch:

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIVD5wT4KE

    parts 2,3,4,5,6,7 are also are available

    .
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • facepollution
    facepollution Posts: 6,834
    Jooooosh wrote:
    There's a reason these conspiracy theories are ignored by virtually everyone in the mainstream media -- and no, it's not because Bush has them in his pocket -- it's because, as much as I'd hate to admit it, the rest of the country isn't that stupid.

    Wow, I'll try and stay away from insults, but seriously, if you believe the mainstream media isn't politically biased, you bring new meaning to the word naive.
  • hodge
    hodge Posts: 519
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Give this a watch:

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIVD5wT4KE

    parts 2,3,4,5,6,7 are also are available

    .

    thanks for the link
    just watched part 1
    ..and you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable
  • Jooooosh
    Jooooosh Posts: 74
    I'll reiterate an earlier point since it's been ignored by so many people; it's a known fact that the terrorists explicitly stated they had bombs, and widely agreed upon that they did indeed. If incendiary bombs were used that would explain a number of things -- the melted steel, delayed explosions, fire -- all of which ultimately led to the collapse.
    gue_barium wrote:
    Good points. Although, to give up on logic and fact (or at least better questions) to breach the American conscience via the mainstream media is to give up entirely.

    In my book, giving up is not a choice.

    Are you implying we should spend tax dollars on a new investigation to appease a diminutive minority? 99.9% of the country is content with the conclusions previous 9/11 investigations have come to -- do you think they'll pay for more?
    It doesn't matter anyways, no matter how many investigations the government conducts, they'll be dismissed for the sole purpose of being funded by the U.S. government, and I don't think private organizations will be able to obtain necessary access to thoroughly investigate certain aspects of the tower collapse -- so again, what would you propose for future investigations?
    facepollution wrote:
    Wow, I'll try and stay away from insults, but seriously, if you believe the mainstream media isn't politically biased, you bring new meaning to the word naive.

    Care to explain how believing the media is less biased than the 9/11 conspiracy mongers accuse them of being equates to the media not being politically biased?
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Give this a watch:

    Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeIVD5wT4KE

    parts 2,3,4,5,6,7 are also are available

    .

    wow I have seen some conspiracy crap before but this one takes the cake. do you really, I mean really, buy this garbage? you and drifitin need parental controls on youtube and google video. its taken full control of you.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wow I have seen some conspiracy crap before but this one takes the cake. do you really, I mean really, buy this garbage? you and drifitin need parental controls on youtube and google video. its taken full control of you.

    WOW, why don't you EVER start a thread of your own to prove your side of this equation??? Why don't you all you EVER do is throw worthless bitching words to the wind, go sit in your coop and contemplate other CT's as you may put it.

    Peace
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    WOW, why don't you EVER start a thread of your own to prove your side of this equation??? Why don't you all you EVER do is throw worthless bitching words to the wind, go sit in your coop and contemplate other CT's as you may put it.

    Peace

    what do you want me to do, start a thread showing another video of planes hitting the buildings? cuz thats what I believe happened.

    this wacky video is trying to claim that didnt happen. yea, im the crazy one
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what do you want me to do, start a thread showing another video of planes hitting the buildings? cuz thats what I believe happened.

    this wacky video is trying to claim that didnt happen. yea, im the crazy one

    Yeah you just might be only you would know I gather?

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    g under p wrote:
    Yeah you just might be only you would know I gather?

    Peace

    Well, there are definitely crazies posting on the Paranoia Train, but Jlew doesn't seem to be one of them.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    Yeah you just might be only you would know I gather?

    Peace


    that makes no sense.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230
    jeffbr wrote:
    Well, there are definitely crazies posting on the Paranoia Train, but Jlew doesn't seem to be one of them.

    His lawyer speaks, never said or implied he crazy, he's too bright for that. However I'd like to see him start a thread any thread on any subject.

    Now go on with your bad selves.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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