So by your thinking if you heat and weaken steel and then continue to put the same if not a greater amount of heat on that same piece of steel it will magically become immune to the heat and be able to re-strengthen itself . . . . interesting
Huh...where did I say that? The fires were mostly out. The lady (Edna Cintron) was standing in the impact zone waving. She wasn't burning.
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from the fire, damage, and weight of the structure above it.
The buildings can't fall through themselves. That's not how buildings collapse.
They follow the path of least resistance, not the most.
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The buildings can't fall through themselves. That's not how buildings collapse.
They follow the path of least resistance, not the most.
gravity. those buildings can fall anyway they want. how do you seem to know. a building of this size and weight has never fallen before. but you seem to know exactly how it is suppose to fall
Huh...where did I say that? The fires were mostly out. The lady (Edna Cintron) was standing in the impact zone waving. She wasn't burning.
i said there was no way that steel would have had time or conditions to re-strengthen itself and you responded with "why not?" i was giving you a response - not exactly sure what the hell your talking about here. And your saying the fires were mostly out when the building fell? are you serious?
gravity. those buildings can fall anyway they want. how do you seem to know. a building of this size and weight has never fallen before. but you seem to know exactly how it is suppose to fall
Buildings don't just do whatever they want. This is why they are designed a certain way. The latest data provided by a growing group of architects and engineers would seem to support this. Actually the website at the title of this thread.
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i said there was no way that steel would have had time or conditions to re-strengthen itself and you responded with "why not?" i was giving you a response - not exactly sure what the hell your talking about here. And your saying the fires were mostly out when the building fell? are you serious?
Well the impact zone sure was (Edna waving). One would expect flames to be shooting out of there if you looking for an intense raging fire instead of a smoldering one.
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Well the impact zone sure was (Edna waving). One would expect flames to be shooting out of there if you looking for an intense raging fire instead of a smoldering one.
one would expect that but just because they werent doesnt mean that isnt what happened. Personally the extremely thinck clouds of jet black smoke are enough proof to me that there was a significant fire inside that building.
Buildings don't just do whatever they want. This is why they are designed a certain way. The latest data provided by a growing group of architects and engineers would seem to support this. Actually the website at the title of this thread.
buildings of this size will do whatever it wants. mostly come straight DOWN when the support structure fail. its to high and heavy.
Care to explain how believing the media is less biased than the 9/11 conspiracy mongers accuse them of being equates to the media not being politically biased?
There's a reason these conspiracy theories are ignored by virtually everyone in the mainstream media -- and no, it's not because Bush has them in his pocket -- it's because, as much as I'd hate to admit it, the rest of the country isn't that stupid.
Political bias on the part of the media, in my opinion, is what prevents all the questions about 9/11 being asked. Is that so difficult to understand?
If you can't even entertain the evidence people are throwing at you, I don't know why you would partake in these kind of discussions.
Ultimately my theory goes like this: people like you can not even for a second believe that the US government would willingly harm their own people for the sake of reaching their own goals. Thus of course the idea of any conspiracy theory is completely ridiculous to you. There are MANY, MANY, MANY bizarre and unexplainable things that happened that day, which in accepting the official story, you are completely closing your mind to.
one would expect that but just because they werent doesnt mean that isnt what happened. Personally the extremely thinck clouds of jet black smoke are enough proof to me that there was a significant fire inside that building.
Edna might disagree. I don't recall seeing her clothes burning and her hair on fire...
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Political bias on the part of the media, in my opinion, is what prevents all the questions about 9/11 being asked. Is that so difficult to understand?
If you can't even entertain the evidence people are throwing at you, I don't know why you would partake in these kind of discussions.
Ultimately my theory goes like this: people like you can not even for a second believe that the US government would willingly harm their own people for the sake of reaching their own goals. Thus of course the idea of any conspiracy theory is completely ridiculous to you. There are MANY, MANY, MANY bizarre and unexplainable things that happened that day, which in accepting the official story, you are completely closing your mind to.
Bizarre and unexplainable things will occurr when one encounters something that has never happened before. Buildings of those size and mmagnitude have never before been hit by planes and therefore collapsed, so how exactly is everyone supposed to know what SHOULD have happened?
buildings of this size will do whatever it wants. mostly come straight DOWN when the support structure fail. its to high and heavy.
That's what we are told, but in a passive collapse there would be piles of stacked floors at the bottom would be left behind, and the collapse would slow down as the top section encounters resistance through the rest of the building (if that was in fact possible). The buildings were also pulverized into dust all the way down.
That's actually a big problem to explain happening, and many people are starting to finally understand why.
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Edna might disagree. I don't recall seeing her clothes burning and her hair on fire...
comments like this seem to me to be incredibly disrespectful to all those who did die in the incident. Your making it out to seem as if there was no danger whatsoever. By your accounts then - what did cause the smoke if there was no fire?
comments like this seem to me to be incredibly disrespectful to all those who did die in the incident. Your making it out to seem as if there was no danger whatsoever. By your accounts then - what did cause the smoke if there was no fire?
Well you keep skipping past that fact so I highlighted it. Oh there was fire, just not a raging intense fire...that's all.
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wow. a fire but not a raging intense fire?? where do you draw the line. rhetorical question. dont bother answering.
It was cool enough to stand for a long period of time and survive right at the impact point. So how hot and intense was this particular fire then?
Good question.
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It was cool enough to stand for a long period of time and survive right at the impact point.
what the hell does this mean? man I swear you are worse then que bauim. cool enough to stand for a long period? wouldnt a really hot fire burn longer then a "cool" one. man I swear I am becoming dumber with this conversation.
So how hot and intense was this particular fire then?
maybe its just me, but I think when a 767 FULL of jet fuel ( I know you dont believe that actually happened but lets play along k? ) smashes into one of the tallest skyscrapers in the world, a raging hot intense fire will ensue. but seriously, it might be just me.
what the hell does this mean? man I swear you are worse then que bauim. cool enough to stand for a long period? wouldnt a really hot fire burn longer then a "cool" one. man I swear I am becoming dumber with this conversation.
maybe its just me, but I think when a 767 FULL of jet fuel ( I know you dont believe that actually happened but lets play along k? ) smashes into one of the tallest skyscrapers in the world, a raging hot intense fire will ensue. but seriously, it might be just me.
All the jet fuel burned off within minutes, and what ensued afterwards was apparently not a raging fire (due to the lack of flames and all the excess black smoke present).
Flames would have been shooting out of the opening where Edna standing otherwise. That was not the case.
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Bizarre and unexplainable things will occurr when one encounters something that has never happened before. Buildings of those size and mmagnitude have never before been hit by planes and therefore collapsed, so how exactly is everyone supposed to know what SHOULD have happened?
It's not just the two towers though is it? The third building to fall, had no real reason to fall, let alone for it to fall exactly in the same way a controlled demolition would fall, i.e. into its own footprint.
Even simpler question. The official story goes, that the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized on impact, melting all that steel until it no longer existed, yet they managed to identify all the passengers on board via dna - how so?
Or, how on earth did they find one of the hijacker's passports in the ground zero rubble, yet the fires created at the point of impact managed to melt steel? So essentially these fires could melt steel, but not a paper passport.
Or, the fact that some of the hijackers have been found to be ALIVE, yet the government hasn't addressed this issue.
Or the fact that Bush would not swear under oath during the 'official' investigation, and no transcripts were allowed from any meetings.
And to anyone that does believe the official story: what makes the official story any more plausible than the various conspiracy theories out there anyway? The evidence is equally as compelling, if not more so, in some areas of investigation. The thing that ultimately convinces you, is the fact that it has an official seal of approval. The seal of approval from a government that has been proven to lie time and time again, be it through false data during the elections, or the false reasons for going to war in Iraq.
It's not just the two towers though is it? The third building to fall, had no real reason to fall, let alone for it to fall exactly in the same way a controlled demolition would fall, i.e. into its own footprint.
Even simpler question. The official story goes, that the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized on impact, melting all that steel until it no longer existed, yet they managed to identify all the passengers on board via dna - how so?
Or, how on earth did they find one of the hijacker's passports in the ground zero rubble, yet the fires created at the point of impact managed to melt steel? So essentially these fires could melt steel, but not a paper passport.
Or, the fact that some of the hijackers have been found to be ALIVE, yet the government hasn't addressed this issue.
Or the fact that Bush would not swear under oath during the 'official' investigation, and no transcripts were allowed from any meetings.
And to anyone that does believe the official story: what makes the official story any more plausible than the various conspiracy theories out there anyway? The evidence is equally as compelling, if not more so, in some areas of investigation. The thing that ultimately convinces you, is the fact that it has an official seal of approval. The seal of approval from a government that has been proven to lie time and time again, be it through false data during the elections, or the false reasons for going to war in Iraq.
because you get theories that were just posted today on this board claiming that NO plane hit the towers. nuff said.
and I keep hearing that the "offical" story lays proof in dna they found and a passport. I havent seen this or care too much about it. but finding a passport from that plane? its possible. did you see the amount of papers flying through the air? DNA at the pentagon? doubtful.
hijackers alive? prove it. sure you arent getting the names mixed up? they all sound the same anyway dont they?
because you get theories that were just posted today on this board claiming that NO plane hit the towers. nuff said.
and I keep hearing that the "offical" story lays proof in dna they found and a passport. I havent seen this or care too much about it. but finding a passport from that plane? its possible. did you see the amount of papers flying through the air? DNA at the pentagon? doubtful.
hijackers alive? prove it. sure you arent getting the names mixed up? they all sound the same anyway dont they?
Why do you conveniently (and routinely) skip around the impossible "according to the official story" findings?
I really do find it interesting that as new angles come forward some people have no time to even consider the facts objectively with an intelligent mind.
Consider the facts of the matter objectively. This is what we are expected to do when it comes to scrutinizing our government. The forefathers told us, and warned us of this. It is our duty.
Are we to not respect or hold value to their words, but rather rush ahead to automatic conclusion in denial?
What has happened to your patriotism?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why do you conveniently (and routinely) skip around the impossible "according to the official story" findings?
I really do find it interesting that as new angles come forward some people have no time to even consider the facts objectively with an intelligent mind.
Consider the facts of the matter objectively. This is what we are expected to do when it comes to scrutinizing our government. The forefathers told us, and warned us of this. It is our duty.
Are we to not respect or hold value to their words, but rather rush ahead to automatic conclusion in denial?
What has happened to your patriotism?
since when is it impossible to find a passport from the plane? or DNA from the pentagon crash? did the find DNA from other passengers? I really dont know. you want to search youtube for me? funny how you find that 100% impossible but find it completely possible (and plausible) that no planes even hit the building. I gotta run.
the only parts of the offical story I believe is that el queda was 100% behind the attacks. and that the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit the towers, brought it down. the rest I really dont care about much.
since when is it impossible to find a passport from the plane? or DNA from the pentagon crash? did the find DNA from other passengers? I really dont know. you want to search youtube for me? funny how you find that 100% impossible but find it completely possible (and plausible) that no planes even hit the building. I gotta run.
Oh, but they found more than one passport and, as well and an "in perfect condition" official boogeyman "terrorist" bandanna. Not even dirty. The passports were also in near perfect condition.
Look at what was found and at the condition of it before commenting on it.
Question....you ever get the feeling I know a whole lot more about it than you pretend to?
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Anyone that feel that they have read this thread *throughout* and can offer a new angle to that facts I have presented as truth.....please do.
I want to learn more about it, if you can make me see it.
I want to be wrong. People in this world are continually suffering and dying horrific deaths....and right now.
Does anyone else fell this way?
Do you give a shit?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
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Oh, but they found more than one passport and, as well and an "in perfect condition" official boogeyman "terrorist" bandanna. Not even dirty. The passports were also in near perfect condition.
Look at what was found and at the condition of it before commenting on it.
I'd like to see proof of this. I really hope you can.
Question....you ever get the feeling I know a whole lot more about it than you pretend to?
actually no I don't get this feeling at all. you really do wink in the mirror dont you? maybe blow your self a kiss? I do get the feeling, however, that you havent gotten laid in years though. I'd bet the farm on it.
I'd like to see proof of this. I really hope you can.
actually no I don't get this feeling at all. you really do wink in the mirror dont you? maybe blow your self a kiss? I do get the feeling, however, that you havent gotten laid in years though. I'd bet the farm on it.
Do you know what is funny/odd, but rather unusual at the same time? I provide information but all you do is attack my posts. It's become so predictable, that just I'm beyond it.
You cannot ultimately communicate with me other than to try and reduce me on a personal level....but you continually try to reduce me just the same
I find that sad.
edited....decided to change a "t" to an "n" in "that"
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More and more US citizens are critical of the official account. The respected Zogby polling organisation last week found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe President Bush and Vice-President Cheney regarding the truth about the 9/11 attacks; 67% are also critical of the 9/11 Commission for not investigating the bizarre, unexplained collapse of the 47-storey World Trade Centre building 7 (WTC7). This building was not hit by any planes. Unlike WTC3, which was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers but which remained standing, WTC7 suffered minor damage but suddenly collapsed in a neat pile, as happens in a controlled demolition.
In a 2006 interview with anchorman Evan Soloman of CBC's Sunday programme, the vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, was reminded that the commission report failed to even mention the collapse of WTC7 or the suspicious hurried removal of the building debris from the site - before there could be a proper forensic investigation of what was a crime scene. Hamilton could only offer the lame excuse that the commissioners did not have "unlimited time" and could not be expected to answer "every question" the public asks.
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It's not just the two towers though is it? The third building to fall, had no real reason to fall, let alone for it to fall exactly in the same way a controlled demolition would fall, i.e. into its own footprint.
Even simpler question. The official story goes, that the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized on impact, melting all that steel until it no longer existed, yet they managed to identify all the passengers on board via dna - how so?
Or, how on earth did they find one of the hijacker's passports in the ground zero rubble, yet the fires created at the point of impact managed to melt steel? So essentially these fires could melt steel, but not a paper passport.
Or, the fact that some of the hijackers have been found to be ALIVE, yet the government hasn't addressed this issue.
Or the fact that Bush would not swear under oath during the 'official' investigation, and no transcripts were allowed from any meetings.
And to anyone that does believe the official story: what makes the official story any more plausible than the various conspiracy theories out there anyway? The evidence is equally as compelling, if not more so, in some areas of investigation. The thing that ultimately convinces you, is the fact that it has an official seal of approval. The seal of approval from a government that has been proven to lie time and time again, be it through false data during the elections, or the false reasons for going to war in Iraq.
Have you ever seen a car with all its windows up crash? I had a friend that crashed his car with all windows up - the car rolled and afterwards he found a laptop and a binder full of homework over 50 yards down the highway - how did this happen? shit i dunno but it did - so why couldnt a passport be ejected from a crashed plane and later found?
I will admit that this whole "edna" concept that you have brot up so vigorously over the past 3 pages worth of posts was foreign to me until today so i did some research. From what i can tell all the pictures of this "edna" are incredibly inconclusive as far as seeing who this person actually was. It is obvious to me that there is a person standing there, but it says the husband was able to identfy her from her clothing? You look at that picture and tell me that out of all the people working in those towers that there wasnt another woman in the whole building capable of wearing a black top and beige pants? Cuz you certainly cant see her face in any of those pictures. Im not even sure when or how long after the initial crash these pictures were taken so maybe you could fill me in on that. Also in those pictures, she is well outside the impact of the plane and in none of those pictures do i see any trace of a plane - is it possible that she was far enough away from the plane to be able survive thru the heat it produced? After all, it does say that easch floor of the building was roughly an acre in area - you take an acre of farm land and put a fire in the middle of it and tell me a person couldnt survive at the very edge of that acre. And whos to say that it wasnt hot where she was standing anyway - obviously not as hot as the actual fire would havebeen, but ive read that it was "cool" where she was - how the fuck could anybody know this?
Let me pose a question here - You have said that the initial jet fuel would have produced a greater temperature and then burned rather quickly, leaving a not so hot fire burning there after. Is it possible that this woman (whoever she was - for all i know it could have been a dude with long hair cuz as i said, no face is visible whatsoever) was on a floor just above the impact of the crash (the reports say "she" was on a floor "near" the impact of the crash - is it possible that this woman was on a floor just above or below the crash. The intial impact caused the jet fuel to burn as you said hot for a short period of time - perhaps it was hot enough and just long enough to weaken the steel - the fire then cools enough for this woman to make her way outside of the impact hole and produce her so called "wave" - is it POSSIBLE?
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Huh...where did I say that? The fires were mostly out. The lady (Edna Cintron) was standing in the impact zone waving. She wasn't burning.
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The buildings can't fall through themselves. That's not how buildings collapse.
They follow the path of least resistance, not the most.
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gravity. those buildings can fall anyway they want. how do you seem to know. a building of this size and weight has never fallen before. but you seem to know exactly how it is suppose to fall
as the metal below the building weakens, that path becomes increasingly weak
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i said there was no way that steel would have had time or conditions to re-strengthen itself and you responded with "why not?" i was giving you a response - not exactly sure what the hell your talking about here. And your saying the fires were mostly out when the building fell? are you serious?
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Buildings don't just do whatever they want. This is why they are designed a certain way. The latest data provided by a growing group of architects and engineers would seem to support this. Actually the website at the title of this thread.
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Well the impact zone sure was (Edna waving). One would expect flames to be shooting out of there if you looking for an intense raging fire instead of a smoldering one.
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one would expect that but just because they werent doesnt mean that isnt what happened. Personally the extremely thinck clouds of jet black smoke are enough proof to me that there was a significant fire inside that building.
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buildings of this size will do whatever it wants. mostly come straight DOWN when the support structure fail. its to high and heavy.
You said:
Political bias on the part of the media, in my opinion, is what prevents all the questions about 9/11 being asked. Is that so difficult to understand?
If you can't even entertain the evidence people are throwing at you, I don't know why you would partake in these kind of discussions.
Ultimately my theory goes like this: people like you can not even for a second believe that the US government would willingly harm their own people for the sake of reaching their own goals. Thus of course the idea of any conspiracy theory is completely ridiculous to you. There are MANY, MANY, MANY bizarre and unexplainable things that happened that day, which in accepting the official story, you are completely closing your mind to.
Edna might disagree. I don't recall seeing her clothes burning and her hair on fire...
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Bizarre and unexplainable things will occurr when one encounters something that has never happened before. Buildings of those size and mmagnitude have never before been hit by planes and therefore collapsed, so how exactly is everyone supposed to know what SHOULD have happened?
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That's what we are told, but in a passive collapse there would be piles of stacked floors at the bottom would be left behind, and the collapse would slow down as the top section encounters resistance through the rest of the building (if that was in fact possible). The buildings were also pulverized into dust all the way down.
That's actually a big problem to explain happening, and many people are starting to finally understand why.
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comments like this seem to me to be incredibly disrespectful to all those who did die in the incident. Your making it out to seem as if there was no danger whatsoever. By your accounts then - what did cause the smoke if there was no fire?
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Well you keep skipping past that fact so I highlighted it. Oh there was fire, just not a raging intense fire...that's all.
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wow. a fire but not a raging intense fire?? where do you draw the line. rhetorical question. dont bother answering.
It was cool enough to stand for a long period of time and survive right at the impact point. So how hot and intense was this particular fire then?
Good question.
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maybe its just me, but I think when a 767 FULL of jet fuel ( I know you dont believe that actually happened but lets play along k? ) smashes into one of the tallest skyscrapers in the world, a raging hot intense fire will ensue. but seriously, it might be just me.
All the jet fuel burned off within minutes, and what ensued afterwards was apparently not a raging fire (due to the lack of flames and all the excess black smoke present).
Flames would have been shooting out of the opening where Edna standing otherwise. That was not the case.
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It's not just the two towers though is it? The third building to fall, had no real reason to fall, let alone for it to fall exactly in the same way a controlled demolition would fall, i.e. into its own footprint.
Even simpler question. The official story goes, that the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized on impact, melting all that steel until it no longer existed, yet they managed to identify all the passengers on board via dna - how so?
Or, how on earth did they find one of the hijacker's passports in the ground zero rubble, yet the fires created at the point of impact managed to melt steel? So essentially these fires could melt steel, but not a paper passport.
Or, the fact that some of the hijackers have been found to be ALIVE, yet the government hasn't addressed this issue.
Or the fact that Bush would not swear under oath during the 'official' investigation, and no transcripts were allowed from any meetings.
And to anyone that does believe the official story: what makes the official story any more plausible than the various conspiracy theories out there anyway? The evidence is equally as compelling, if not more so, in some areas of investigation. The thing that ultimately convinces you, is the fact that it has an official seal of approval. The seal of approval from a government that has been proven to lie time and time again, be it through false data during the elections, or the false reasons for going to war in Iraq.
because you get theories that were just posted today on this board claiming that NO plane hit the towers. nuff said.
and I keep hearing that the "offical" story lays proof in dna they found and a passport. I havent seen this or care too much about it. but finding a passport from that plane? its possible. did you see the amount of papers flying through the air? DNA at the pentagon? doubtful.
hijackers alive? prove it. sure you arent getting the names mixed up? they all sound the same anyway dont they?
Why do you conveniently (and routinely) skip around the impossible "according to the official story" findings?
I really do find it interesting that as new angles come forward some people have no time to even consider the facts objectively with an intelligent mind.
Consider the facts of the matter objectively. This is what we are expected to do when it comes to scrutinizing our government. The forefathers told us, and warned us of this. It is our duty.
Are we to not respect or hold value to their words, but rather rush ahead to automatic conclusion in denial?
What has happened to your patriotism?
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since when is it impossible to find a passport from the plane? or DNA from the pentagon crash? did the find DNA from other passengers? I really dont know. you want to search youtube for me? funny how you find that 100% impossible but find it completely possible (and plausible) that no planes even hit the building. I gotta run.
the only parts of the offical story I believe is that el queda was 100% behind the attacks. and that the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit the towers, brought it down. the rest I really dont care about much.
Oh, but they found more than one passport and, as well and an "in perfect condition" official boogeyman "terrorist" bandanna. Not even dirty. The passports were also in near perfect condition.
Look at what was found and at the condition of it before commenting on it.
Question....you ever get the feeling I know a whole lot more about it than you pretend to?
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I want to learn more about it, if you can make me see it.
I want to be wrong. People in this world are continually suffering and dying horrific deaths....and right now.
Does anyone else fell this way?
Do you give a shit?
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actually no I don't get this feeling at all. you really do wink in the mirror dont you? maybe blow your self a kiss? I do get the feeling, however, that you havent gotten laid in years though. I'd bet the farm on it.
Do you know what is funny/odd, but rather unusual at the same time? I provide information but all you do is attack my posts. It's become so predictable, that just I'm beyond it.
You cannot ultimately communicate with me other than to try and reduce me on a personal level....but you continually try to reduce me just the same
I find that sad.
edited....decided to change a "t" to an "n" in "that"
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Something else to take a closer look at and read at 9/II-The Big Cover Up.
Peace
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Have you ever seen a car with all its windows up crash? I had a friend that crashed his car with all windows up - the car rolled and afterwards he found a laptop and a binder full of homework over 50 yards down the highway - how did this happen? shit i dunno but it did - so why couldnt a passport be ejected from a crashed plane and later found?
I will admit that this whole "edna" concept that you have brot up so vigorously over the past 3 pages worth of posts was foreign to me until today so i did some research. From what i can tell all the pictures of this "edna" are incredibly inconclusive as far as seeing who this person actually was. It is obvious to me that there is a person standing there, but it says the husband was able to identfy her from her clothing? You look at that picture and tell me that out of all the people working in those towers that there wasnt another woman in the whole building capable of wearing a black top and beige pants? Cuz you certainly cant see her face in any of those pictures. Im not even sure when or how long after the initial crash these pictures were taken so maybe you could fill me in on that. Also in those pictures, she is well outside the impact of the plane and in none of those pictures do i see any trace of a plane - is it possible that she was far enough away from the plane to be able survive thru the heat it produced? After all, it does say that easch floor of the building was roughly an acre in area - you take an acre of farm land and put a fire in the middle of it and tell me a person couldnt survive at the very edge of that acre. And whos to say that it wasnt hot where she was standing anyway - obviously not as hot as the actual fire would havebeen, but ive read that it was "cool" where she was - how the fuck could anybody know this?
Let me pose a question here - You have said that the initial jet fuel would have produced a greater temperature and then burned rather quickly, leaving a not so hot fire burning there after. Is it possible that this woman (whoever she was - for all i know it could have been a dude with long hair cuz as i said, no face is visible whatsoever) was on a floor just above the impact of the crash (the reports say "she" was on a floor "near" the impact of the crash - is it possible that this woman was on a floor just above or below the crash. The intial impact caused the jet fuel to burn as you said hot for a short period of time - perhaps it was hot enough and just long enough to weaken the steel - the fire then cools enough for this woman to make her way outside of the impact hole and produce her so called "wave" - is it POSSIBLE?
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