Have you ever seen a car with all its windows up crash? I had a friend that crashed his car with all windows up - the car rolled and afterwards he found a laptop and a binder full of homework over 50 yards down the highway - how did this happen? shit i dunno but it did - so why couldnt a passport be ejected from a crashed plane and later found?
I will admit that this whole "edna" concept that you have brot up so vigorously over the past 3 pages worth of posts was foreign to me until today so i did some research. From what i can tell all the pictures of this "edna" are incredibly inconclusive as far as seeing who this person actually was. It is obvious to me that there is a person standing there, but it says the husband was able to identfy her from her clothing? You look at that picture and tell me that out of all the people working in those towers that there wasnt another woman in the whole building capable of wearing a black top and beige pants? Cuz you certainly cant see her face in any of those pictures. Im not even sure when or how long after the initial crash these pictures were taken so maybe you could fill me in on that. Also in those pictures, she is well outside the impact of the plane and in none of those pictures do i see any trace of a plane - is it possible that she was far enough away from the plane to be able survive thru the heat it produced? After all, it does say that easch floor of the building was roughly an acre in area - you take an acre of farm land and put a fire in the middle of it and tell me a person couldnt survive at the very edge of that acre. And whos to say that it wasnt hot where she was standing anyway - obviously not as hot as the actual fire would havebeen, but ive read that it was "cool" where she was - how the fuck could anybody know this?
Let me pose a question here - You have said that the initial jet fuel would have produced a greater temperature and then burned rather quickly, leaving a not so hot fire burning there after. Is it possible that this woman (whoever she was - for all i know it could have been a dude with long hair cuz as i said, no face is visible whatsoever) was on a floor just above the impact of the crash (the reports say "she" was on a floor "near" the impact of the crash - is it possible that this woman was on a floor just above or below the crash. The intial impact caused the jet fuel to burn as you said hot for a short period of time - perhaps it was hot enough and just long enough to weaken the steel - the fire then cools enough for this woman to make her way outside of the impact hole and produce her so called "wave" - is it POSSIBLE?
Ok
A human person...alive..... living flesh and blood.
The person was in the impact zone *alive and waving*......not on fire and dying....
Again, how intense was the fire beyond the minutes recorded?
here we can witness a person alive, and in the impact zone itself. Alive. Right inside the heart of the matter... looking out....alive and well.
No big fire there befiore collapse....a reducing/greatly reduced fire. Cooling if you wish.
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since when is it impossible to find a passport from the plane? or DNA from the pentagon crash? did the find DNA from other passengers? I really dont know. you want to search youtube for me? funny how you find that 100% impossible but find it completely possible (and plausible) that no planes even hit the building. I gotta run.
the only parts of the offical story I believe is that el queda was 100% behind the attacks. and that the 2 huge fucking airplanes that hit the towers, brought it down. the rest I really dont care about much.
It's impossible since the passport would have been INSIDE the plane, the same plane that exploded into a fireball, a firball so hot that it 'melted steel' - common bloody sense!!!!
The fact you can't even spell Al Qaeda, and by your own admission don't really care about all the other FACTS, pretty much shows you aren't intellectually equipped to be passing judgement on such a situation.
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More and more US citizens are critical of the official account. The respected Zogby polling organisation last week found that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe President Bush and Vice-President Cheney regarding the truth about the 9/11 attacks; 67% are also critical of the 9/11 Commission for not investigating the bizarre, unexplained collapse of the 47-storey World Trade Centre building 7 (WTC7). This building was not hit by any planes. Unlike WTC3, which was badly damaged by falling debris from the Twin Towers but which remained standing, WTC7 suffered minor damage but suddenly collapsed in a neat pile, as happens in a controlled demolition.
In a 2006 interview with anchorman Evan Soloman of CBC's Sunday programme, the vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, was reminded that the commission report failed to even mention the collapse of WTC7 or the suspicious hurried removal of the building debris from the site - before there could be a proper forensic investigation of what was a crime scene. Hamilton could only offer the lame excuse that the commissioners did not have "unlimited time" and could not be expected to answer "every question" the public asks.
More and more people are asking the tough questions as to what really happened on that day and I love it.
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Do you know what is funny/odd, but rather unusual at the same time? I provide information but all you do is attack my posts. It's become so predictable, that just I'm beyond it.
You cannot ultimately communicate with me other than to try and reduce me on a personal level....but you continually try to reduce me just the same
I find that sad.
edited....decided to change a "t" to an "n" in "that"
how did I attack your post? I asked for proof. the problem is, you seem to believe, just because you say something, it becomes proof.
then you asked a question and I answered it. where is the attack?
It's impossible since the passport would have been INSIDE the plane, the same plane that exploded into a fireball, a firball so hot that it 'melted steel' - common bloody sense!!!!
I agree. its common sense that a passport cant be found. is it possible? sure. does it matter if it was found or not? no. airport security cameras and airline records prove he was there. passport? who cares
The fact you can't even spell Al Qaeda, and by your own admission don't really care about all the other FACTS, pretty much shows you aren't intellectually equipped to be passing judgement on such a situation.
sorry, my arabic is a little shaky. and I said I dont care about the offical report. which doesnt have any facts in it anyway, right?. so what facts am I missing?
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I agree. its common sense that a passport cant be found. is it possible? sure. does it matter if it was found or not? no. airport security cameras and airline records prove he was there. passport? who cares
sorry, my arabic is a little shaky. and I said I dont care about the offical report. which doesnt have any facts in it anyway, right?. so what facts am I missing?
Facts such as the plane that hit the pentagon, managed to smash into the building at such a high speed that it supposedly vaporized on impact, and yet it didn't even touch the lawn in front of it - this coming from a guy who was crap at flying a tiny plane, let alone something the size of a commercial plane.
So if you don't care about the official report, why do you believe the findings?
Facts such as the plane that hit the pentagon, managed to smash into the building at such a high speed that it supposedly vaporized on impact, and yet it didn't even touch the lawn in front of it - this coming from a guy who was crap at flying a tiny plane, let alone something the size of a commercial plane.
who said the plane vaporized? and yes, the guy was said to be a crappy pilot and somehow managed to crash the plane into the building. shocking.
So if you don't care about the official report, why do you believe the findings?
who said I believe the findings? what I do believe from the "official" report is al queda was responsible the attacks and the planes caused wtc 1 and 2 to come down.
of course people question the collapse of wtc7. hell, so do I. is this indicate that ALL of 9/11 was an inside job?
This is perfect - of course there will be things that dont make sense, as there are with many events such as this. Sometimes science cant explain everything. But just because there are things that dont make sense doesnt mean that it was an inside job. Bottom line is there is no proof whatsoever that the US Gov't was behind the attacks in anyway except for these things that "dont add up." If there is no more proof towards what you are arguing for then what others argue, why are you so sure yours is correct?
how did I attack your post? I asked for proof. the problem is, you seem to believe, just because you say something, it becomes proof.
then you asked a question and I answered it. where is the attack?
I must have confused it with one of your snarky little brainless posts in another thread.
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Oh, but they found more than one passport and, as well and an "in perfect condition" official boogeyman "terrorist" bandanna. Not even dirty. The passports were also in near perfect condition.
Look at what was found and at the condition of it before commenting on it.
this is what I asked you to prove.
guess what. just because roland the magnificent says something, doesnt make it fact. k ?
Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble earlier discovered a passport belonging to one of the suspected hijackers a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood.
New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said investigators would probably be unable to identify the hijackers, because there were unlikely to be enough of their remains left to test.
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Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble earlier discovered a passport belonging to one of the suspected hijackers a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood.
New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said investigators would probably be unable to identify the hijackers, because there were unlikely to be enough of their remains left to test.
yea I can google 9/11 passports too. im asking about the perfect condition crap he was talking about.
yea I can google 9/11 passports too. im asking about the perfect condition crap he was talking about.
Well whether it was in perfect condition or had been slighty singed i still find it a little odd to say the least.
I think you are splitting hairs. For the sake of it. I can't see the point.
What are your thoughts on the passport being found and the ID card i think it was at the pentagon. Plus the supposed fingerprints?
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who said the plane vaporized? and yes, the guy was said to be a crappy pilot and somehow managed to crash the plane into the building. shocking.
who said I believe the findings? what I do believe from the "official" report is al queda was responsible the attacks and the planes caused wtc 1 and 2 to come down.
Ok, so what makes you believe it was Al Qaeda? And what makes you believe it was the plane crashes themselves that made the towers fall down?
Oh, and the fact that no large parts of the plane were found is where the vaporization theory comes from.
Well whether it was in perfect condition or had been slighty singed i still find it a little odd to say the least.
I think you are splitting hairs. For the sake of it. I can't see the point.
What are your thoughts on the passport being found and the ID card i think it was at the pentagon. Plus the supposed fingerprints?
I only ask because he said it. he is the one making the claim that a few things were found in perfect condition. I'm calling his bullshit thats all.
I think its possible to find a passport. albeit highly unlikely. fingerprints? no, I would say impossible. although I havent read that from any "official report"
so I take you dont believe they wre involved? I'll start with the Hamburg cell from Germany.
The Hamburg cell was, according to U.S. and German intelligence agencies, a group of radical Islamists that included students who eventually came to be key operatives in the 9/11 attacks. Important members included Mohamed Atta al Sayed, who led the four hijacking teams in 2001 and piloted American Airlines Flight 11; Ramzi Binalshibh, who conspired with the other three members but was unable to enter the United States; and Marwan al-Shehhi, who piloted United Airlines Flight 175. Less important members included Said Bahaji, Zakariya Essabar, Mounir el Motassadeq, and Abdelghani Mzoudi. Ziad Jarrah, another prominent 9/11 hijacker, is also sometimes listed in the Hamburg cell.
how about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He confessed to being the mastermind behind the attacks.
so I take you dont believe they wre involved? I'll start with the Hamburg cell from Germany.
The Hamburg cell was, according to U.S. and German intelligence agencies, a group of radical Islamists that included students who eventually came to be key operatives in the 9/11 attacks. Important members included Mohamed Atta al Sayed, who led the four hijacking teams in 2001 and piloted American Airlines Flight 11; Ramzi Binalshibh, who conspired with the other three members but was unable to enter the United States; and Marwan al-Shehhi, who piloted United Airlines Flight 175. Less important members included Said Bahaji, Zakariya Essabar, Mounir el Motassadeq, and Abdelghani Mzoudi. Ziad Jarrah, another prominent 9/11 hijacker, is also sometimes listed in the Hamburg cell.
how about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He confessed to being the mastermind behind the attacks.
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Information provided by the ever-reliable US government, the same people who persisted in claiming there was a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, when they fully well knew there wasn't.
"Newspapers and TV newscasts reported that the twin towers had been designed to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707. The events of September 11th show that this was indeed the case. "However, the World Trade Center was never designed for the massive explosions nor the intense jet fuel fires that came next—a key design omission," stated Eduardo Kausel, another M.I.T. professor of civil and environmental engineering and panel member. The towers collapsed only after the kerosene fuel fire compromised the integrity of their structural tubes: One WTC lasted for 105 minutes, whereas Two WTC remained standing for 47 minutes. "It was designed for the type of fire you'd expect in an office building—paper, desks, drapes," McNamara said. The aviation fuel fires that broke out burned at a much hotter temperature than the typical contents of an office. "At about 800 degrees Fahrenheit structural steel starts to lose its strength; at 1,500 degrees F, all bets are off as steel members become significantly weakened," he explained."
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"Newspapers and TV newscasts reported that the twin towers had been designed to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707. The events of September 11th show that this was indeed the case. "However, the World Trade Center was never designed for the massive explosions nor the intense jet fuel fires that came next—a key design omission," stated Eduardo Kausel, another M.I.T. professor of civil and environmental engineering and panel member. The towers collapsed only after the kerosene fuel fire compromised the integrity of their structural tubes: One WTC lasted for 105 minutes, whereas Two WTC remained standing for 47 minutes. "It was designed for the type of fire you'd expect in an office building—paper, desks, drapes," McNamara said. The aviation fuel fires that broke out burned at a much hotter temperature than the typical contents of an office. "At about 800 degrees Fahrenheit structural steel starts to lose its strength; at 1,500 degrees F, all bets are off as steel members become significantly weakened," he explained."
That's an opinion of what 'could' have happened, that's not the same as the people who designed it saying, it was built to withstand such an attack. Plus as a lot of people believe, the vast majority of the jet fuel burnt out in the huge fireballs that were created when the planes hit - and looking at the footage, that does stand to reason. Why would some of the fuel remain and burn at a steady rate inside the building, weakening the steel work, while the rest was projected out in a fireball? If it's flamable, it's going to burn rapidly in such circumstances.
Information provided by the ever-reliable US government, the same people who persisted in claiming there was a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, when they fully well knew there wasn't.
I dont know what to tell you. the information I just provided can be verified by several different sources from all around the world.
well not really, since even the architects that designed them, have said it was built to withstand such attacks.
they were built to withstand a plane that was smaller. and how about this, the design actually failed. very big planes, traveling at high amount of speed, filled to the rim with jet fuel, is going to cause alot of damage.
guess what. just because roland the magnificent says something, doesnt make it fact. k ?
Your basic level of intellectual discourse is what I find lacking. Boring actually.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
guess what. just because roland the magnificent says something, doesnt make it fact. k ?
Why does anyone have to prove existing facts that you don't want to bother learning about anyways?
If you knew what you were talking about a little more, it might be worth the time...but ultimately....not really.
You always wind up being a snippy little asshole every time.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why does anyone have to prove existing facts that you don't want to bother learning about anyways?
If you knew what you were talking about a little more, it might be worth the time...but ultimately....not really.
You always wind up being a snippy little asshole every time.
I have looked all over the net I cant find proof of what you are saying. you say they are facts? how do you know? at least when I have something to say I back the shit up.
That's an opinion of what 'could' have happened, that's not the same as the people who designed it saying, it was built to withstand such an attack.
True. But the designers of the Ford Pinto didn't plan on the gas tank exploding. There was a design flaw. The designers of the o-ring in the shuttle thought they'd done a good job. A design flaw caused the shuttle to explode. MIT engineers said there was a key design ommission.
Plus as a lot of people believe, the vast majority of the jet fuel burnt out in the huge fireballs that were created when the planes hit - and looking at the footage, that does stand to reason. Why would some of the fuel remain and burn at a steady rate inside the building, weakening the steel work, while the rest was projected out in a fireball? If it's flamable, it's going to burn rapidly in such circumstances.
And a lot of people believe (including the above MIT civil engineers) that the jet fuel caused the fire to burn at an incredibly high temp for 105 minutes. Much more than just a flash in the pan.
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wow...this is AWESOME! with a heated 9/11 conspiracy thread posted, what?...a week ago? yeah, this is just what we needed. because we all know anybody on either side of this argument is going to change their mind....look, i've made it clear on the last thread where i stand, but the fact of the matter is this: simply and entirely because these conspiracy theories exist, and are by some minute modicum SLIGHTLY CONCEIVABLE, there are going to be people--yes, even credible scholars and experts--who are wholly convinced by them. and because the u.s government and several investigations have declared a different scenario that is slightly more scientifically plausible, there are obviously going to be a lot of people who are taken with this side of the argument. but honestly, for the love of jesus h. christ, can we drop the 9/11 conspiracy shit? has there REALLY been anything substancial contributed in this thread that wasn't contributed on the last one? WOW! a website with professor mcwhogivesafuck saying it surely just HAD To be a controlled demolition!! HOLY SHIT! a link with a little video made by some random engineer who said it was DEFINITELY the planes that brought the towers down! big fucking deal, everybody's got a thousand different websites with "facts" about what happened, and everybody who disagrees with them have a thousand different reasons why those websites aren't credible. glad to see this debate is making such marked progress!!
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Ok, so what makes you believe it was Al Qaeda? And what makes you believe it was the plane crashes themselves that made the towers fall down?
Oh, and the fact that no large parts of the plane were found is where the vaporization theory comes from.
havent you seen the numerous bin laden videos including the most recent one where he basically says the men that flew the planes did so under his command - or do you think him and bush are in cahoots as well?
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A human person...alive..... living flesh and blood.
The person was in the impact zone *alive and waving*......not on fire and dying....
Again, how intense was the fire beyond the minutes recorded?
here we can witness a person alive, and in the impact zone itself. Alive. Right inside the heart of the matter... looking out....alive and well.
No big fire there befiore collapse....a reducing/greatly reduced fire. Cooling if you wish.
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It's impossible since the passport would have been INSIDE the plane, the same plane that exploded into a fireball, a firball so hot that it 'melted steel' - common bloody sense!!!!
The fact you can't even spell Al Qaeda, and by your own admission don't really care about all the other FACTS, pretty much shows you aren't intellectually equipped to be passing judgement on such a situation.
More and more people are asking the tough questions as to what really happened on that day and I love it.
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how did I attack your post? I asked for proof. the problem is, you seem to believe, just because you say something, it becomes proof.
then you asked a question and I answered it. where is the attack?
of course people question the collapse of wtc7. hell, so do I. is this indicate that ALL of 9/11 was an inside job?
sorry, my arabic is a little shaky. and I said I dont care about the offical report. which doesnt have any facts in it anyway, right?. so what facts am I missing?
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Facts such as the plane that hit the pentagon, managed to smash into the building at such a high speed that it supposedly vaporized on impact, and yet it didn't even touch the lawn in front of it - this coming from a guy who was crap at flying a tiny plane, let alone something the size of a commercial plane.
So if you don't care about the official report, why do you believe the findings?
who said I believe the findings? what I do believe from the "official" report is al queda was responsible the attacks and the planes caused wtc 1 and 2 to come down.
This is perfect - of course there will be things that dont make sense, as there are with many events such as this. Sometimes science cant explain everything. But just because there are things that dont make sense doesnt mean that it was an inside job. Bottom line is there is no proof whatsoever that the US Gov't was behind the attacks in anyway except for these things that "dont add up." If there is no more proof towards what you are arguing for then what others argue, why are you so sure yours is correct?
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I must have confused it with one of your snarky little brainless posts in another thread.
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kinda like this one?
this is what I asked you to prove.
guess what. just because roland the magnificent says something, doesnt make it fact. k ?
From the BBC website.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1546927.stm
Passport discovery
Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble earlier discovered a passport belonging to one of the suspected hijackers a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood.
New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said investigators would probably be unable to identify the hijackers, because there were unlikely to be enough of their remains left to test.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
yea I can google 9/11 passports too. im asking about the perfect condition crap he was talking about.
Well whether it was in perfect condition or had been slighty singed i still find it a little odd to say the least.
I think you are splitting hairs. For the sake of it. I can't see the point.
What are your thoughts on the passport being found and the ID card i think it was at the pentagon. Plus the supposed fingerprints?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok, so what makes you believe it was Al Qaeda? And what makes you believe it was the plane crashes themselves that made the towers fall down?
Oh, and the fact that no large parts of the plane were found is where the vaporization theory comes from.
I only ask because he said it. he is the one making the claim that a few things were found in perfect condition. I'm calling his bullshit thats all.
I think its possible to find a passport. albeit highly unlikely. fingerprints? no, I would say impossible. although I havent read that from any "official report"
The Hamburg cell was, according to U.S. and German intelligence agencies, a group of radical Islamists that included students who eventually came to be key operatives in the 9/11 attacks. Important members included Mohamed Atta al Sayed, who led the four hijacking teams in 2001 and piloted American Airlines Flight 11; Ramzi Binalshibh, who conspired with the other three members but was unable to enter the United States; and Marwan al-Shehhi, who piloted United Airlines Flight 175. Less important members included Said Bahaji, Zakariya Essabar, Mounir el Motassadeq, and Abdelghani Mzoudi. Ziad Jarrah, another prominent 9/11 hijacker, is also sometimes listed in the Hamburg cell.
how about Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. He confessed to being the mastermind behind the attacks.
shall I go on?
common sense.
sure there were. there was a good website out there that showed many pictures but I dont have time to look for it...here is a photo
http://internetdetectives.biz/images/case1/flight77piece6.jpg
Information provided by the ever-reliable US government, the same people who persisted in claiming there was a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, when they fully well knew there wasn't.
well not really, since even the architects that designed them, have said it was built to withstand such attacks.
Haha, possibly your funniest post - I said LARGE parts - I could pick that shit up with my bare hands!
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/sciam/
"Newspapers and TV newscasts reported that the twin towers had been designed to withstand a collision with a Boeing 707. The events of September 11th show that this was indeed the case. "However, the World Trade Center was never designed for the massive explosions nor the intense jet fuel fires that came next—a key design omission," stated Eduardo Kausel, another M.I.T. professor of civil and environmental engineering and panel member. The towers collapsed only after the kerosene fuel fire compromised the integrity of their structural tubes: One WTC lasted for 105 minutes, whereas Two WTC remained standing for 47 minutes. "It was designed for the type of fire you'd expect in an office building—paper, desks, drapes," McNamara said. The aviation fuel fires that broke out burned at a much hotter temperature than the typical contents of an office. "At about 800 degrees Fahrenheit structural steel starts to lose its strength; at 1,500 degrees F, all bets are off as steel members become significantly weakened," he explained."
That's an opinion of what 'could' have happened, that's not the same as the people who designed it saying, it was built to withstand such an attack. Plus as a lot of people believe, the vast majority of the jet fuel burnt out in the huge fireballs that were created when the planes hit - and looking at the footage, that does stand to reason. Why would some of the fuel remain and burn at a steady rate inside the building, weakening the steel work, while the rest was projected out in a fireball? If it's flamable, it's going to burn rapidly in such circumstances.
they were built to withstand a plane that was smaller. and how about this, the design actually failed. very big planes, traveling at high amount of speed, filled to the rim with jet fuel, is going to cause alot of damage.
according to you, the plane vaporized. was this piece planted? like the bloody glove?
Your basic level of intellectual discourse is what I find lacking. Boring actually.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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so you wont back up your claim that perfect condition stuff of the highjackers was found? got it.
Why does anyone have to prove existing facts that you don't want to bother learning about anyways?
If you knew what you were talking about a little more, it might be worth the time...but ultimately....not really.
You always wind up being a snippy little asshole every time.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I have looked all over the net I cant find proof of what you are saying. you say they are facts? how do you know? at least when I have something to say I back the shit up.
True. But the designers of the Ford Pinto didn't plan on the gas tank exploding. There was a design flaw. The designers of the o-ring in the shuttle thought they'd done a good job. A design flaw caused the shuttle to explode. MIT engineers said there was a key design ommission.
And a lot of people believe (including the above MIT civil engineers) that the jet fuel caused the fire to burn at an incredibly high temp for 105 minutes. Much more than just a flash in the pan.
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
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havent you seen the numerous bin laden videos including the most recent one where he basically says the men that flew the planes did so under his command - or do you think him and bush are in cahoots as well?
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